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 PalazioVecchio  south pole 18 Mar 22 6.23pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
When you know, as you surely do know, that Putin only says such things to drive in a wedge, there isn't any disingenuous in pointing that out. Putin no more believes these things than he believes in anything other than himself. You can see why Trump was attracted to him. They come from similar moulds. Putin worked Trump like a puppet. Both Trump and his supporters fell for it hook line and sinker. The idea that if Trump had still been President, none of this would have happened, which has been suggested in these pages, I find risible. It would have been much worse, as Trump would likely have stopped the USA providing any kind of support, either equipment or intelligence. god that's a boring load of diatribe. Apologies, but i wish this software had an 'ignore' function. Putin reckons the West is dying from its own hypocrisy, and i tend to agree.
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Wisbech Eagle  Truro Cornwall 18 Mar 22 6.25pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
The fact that you can write that without seeing the self contradiction is almost amusing. As there is not any self-contradiction in my comment, the amusement only arises from someone thinking there is! Those who believe Putin actually believes these things are doing exactly what he wants them to do. He wants to increase the dissatisfaction of the right with our modern liberal democracies, and has teams sowing and spreading misinformation via social media. Scriptwriters will prepare these speeches to ensure they touch the biggest sensitivities. Then the right pick it up, say "yeah, Putin's right" and spread it thick and wide via forums and those videos that some seem so fond of as being the "real" news! It even happens here. It's quite sad when people don't realise how they are being used by the enemy. The truth is that Putin fears liberal social democracy. He knows if ever such sentiments took root in Russia, he would be finished. His objections have nothing to do with what is best for the people, and only with what will ensure he remains in power.
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| PalazioVecchio south pole 18 Mar 22 6.40pm |
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 18 Mar 22 7.00pm |
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Originally posted by PalazioVecchio
The real problem is that Putin is increasing division in the west, whilst diverting attention away from his own failings, by cleverly reinforcing the prejudices of the right. Putin is a devious megalomaniac and dictator who believes in nothing but his own power.
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| Stirlingsays 18 Mar 22 7.11pm |
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The 'one nation conservative' can't stand the idea of the prejudices of the right being reinforced. Is the Benny Hill theme tune playing or something? Apparently we need Putin to tell us what many on the left and right already know.....You could just watch a Jimmy Dore or Russell Brand video to hear the same stuff about the elites....you don't need to listen to a Putin translation. But yes, the only people who speak for the traditional family anymore are the dissident right or other social conservatives. Edited by Stirlingsays (18 Mar 2022 7.12pm)
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| PalazioVecchio south pole 18 Mar 22 7.21pm |
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The fertility of local men (& the middle classes) has hit the floor. How often do you see a local couple who a) married young b) had a ton of kids c) the dad was employed and stayed in the picture etc. As rare as a hens tooth. Putin has struck a chord with the decadence and depravity of the West. The West is all consumerism, money and everybody with endless selfish choices.
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The groover  Danbury 18 Mar 22 8.11pm |
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Originally posted by PalazioVecchio
The fertility of local men (& the middle classes) has hit the floor. How often do you see a local couple who a) married young b) had a ton of kids c) the dad was employed and stayed in the picture etc. As rare as a hens tooth. Putin has struck a chord with the decadence and depravity of the West. The West is all consumerism, money and everybody with endless selfish choices. Don't judge everyone by your own low standards!
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 Hrolf The Ganger 18 Mar 22 8.33pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
The real problem is that Putin is increasing division in the west, whilst diverting attention away from his own failings, by cleverly reinforcing the prejudices of the right. Putin is a devious megalomaniac and dictator who believes in nothing but his own power. What is sad is that a dangerous, ruthless mob boss like him doesn't even need to lie about the state of Western values. If only we could say it was fake news, but alas it's not. Even so, he has no chance of diverting anything. The 'free' world and many in Russia know exactly what he is.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 18 Mar 22 8.45pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
The 'one nation conservative' can't stand the idea of the prejudices of the right being reinforced. Is the Benny Hill theme tune playing or something? Apparently we need Putin to tell us what many on the left and right already know.....You could just watch a Jimmy Dore or Russell Brand video to hear the same stuff about the elites....you don't need to listen to a Putin translation. But yes, the only people who speak for the traditional family anymore are the dissident right or other social conservatives. Edited by Stirlingsays (18 Mar 2022 7.12pm) I don't much care that the ideas of the right are being reinforced. I care that it's Putin who is doing it, that the right seem to be unaware of why he is doing it, and they are playing his game for him. In my opinion, we need to be united in our condemnation of him and everything he says and does. No exceptions just because he says something you agree with. You definitively don't need Putin to tell you this. He is just using your existing prejudices for his own reasons. How you got them only you know. The right seem to think they are the only group who understand and value traditional family values, but it just isn't true. Every thinking person understands what a positive contribution to society a good family makes. However, not everyone is lucky enough to be part of one, or create non-traditional family units or live lifestyles which preclude forming a family. All are still worthy people who need and deserve support. The difference seems to be that the right ONLY value the traditional family.
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| Grumbles 18 Mar 22 8.53pm |
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Originally posted by croydon proud
Funny, how lots of people on the right seem to be siding with putin, not the killing of innocents exactly but the reason for war, just had a conversation in the park with a renowned right wingerwho thinks i am to(no point giving to much away), and he was going on about putins right and wants the wests deep state gone from Russia, or Ukraine, strange times indeed! ever heard of a National Socialist?
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| Grumbles 18 Mar 22 8.54pm |
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Originally posted by PalazioVecchio
The fertility of local men (& the middle classes) has hit the floor. How often do you see a local couple who a) married young b) had a ton of kids c) the dad was employed and stayed in the picture etc. As rare as a hens tooth. Putin has struck a chord with the decadence and depravity of the West. The West is all consumerism, money and everybody with endless selfish choices. to be honest it is only Italians and it has been happening since prior to WW1.
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| Stirlingsays 18 Mar 22 8.59pm |
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Blah blah blah. The guy who thinks he can tell you one moment to embrace change and then next thinks he can talk to traditional values.....what a clown. Social liberalism has led to politicians not being able to define what a women is, gangs grooming raping underage working class girls kept quiet by Police and trannies teaching children in libraries. Makes me sick. Liberalism once stood for something worth its name....it's been perverted. We don't need Putin to tell us about the degeneracy.....We don't needs its supporters to tell us about Putin. The same people who talk about social liberalism want to ostracize people who disagree with them.....liberalism my arse. Edited by Stirlingsays (18 Mar 2022 9.01pm)
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