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Rudi Hedman Caterham 05 Mar 19 11.43pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Good old Melanie Philips. Back in the day I definitely would.......but can you imagine the scorn if you'd put in a bad performance. I can. I’m still enjoying the blonde model with hands on the chair, looking over her shoulder in the Paper Dolls advert. COYP
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Rudi Hedman

Caterham 05 Mar 19 11.43pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Good old Melanie Philips.

Back in the day I definitely would.......but can you imagine the scorn if you'd put in a bad performance.

I can.

I’m still enjoying the blonde model with hands on the chair, looking over her shoulder in the Paper Dolls advert.

COYP

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Penge Eagle Beckenham 06 Mar 19 12.02am
I was reading about the problems with gang killings in Chicago and think there are some parallels here. In the 1960's, the single motherhood rate in Chicago (and the US) was around 18 per cent in the black community. Now it's more than 75 per cent, which does have a negative impact.
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Beckenham 06 Mar 19 12.02am

I was reading about the problems with gang killings in Chicago and think there are some parallels here. In the 1960's, the single motherhood rate in Chicago (and the US) was around 18 per cent in the black community. Now it's more than 75 per cent, which does have a negative impact.

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Rudi Hedman Caterham 06 Mar 19 12.21am
Originally posted by Penge Eagle I was reading about the problems with gang killings in Chicago and think there are some parallels here. In the 1960's, the single motherhood rate in Chicago (and the US) was around 18 per cent in the black community. Now it's more than 75 per cent, which does have a negative impact. That’s in ‘Freakonomics’. The pill meant for a while loads of criminals and murderers weren’t born. They would be here now. Free set up on benefits. COYP
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Caterham 06 Mar 19 12.21am

Originally posted by Penge Eagle

That’s in ‘Freakonomics’. The pill meant for a while loads of criminals and murderers weren’t born. They would be here now. Free set up on benefits.

COYP

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Penge Eagle Beckenham 06 Mar 19 12.33am
Originally posted by Rudi Hedman That’s in ‘Freakonomics’. The pill meant for a while loads of criminals and murderers weren’t born. They would be here now. Free set up on benefits. Certainly in many US blue states, welfare programmes incentivise single motherhood. Arguably the same in the UK.
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Penge Eagle

Beckenham 06 Mar 19 12.33am

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

That’s in ‘Freakonomics’. The pill meant for a while loads of criminals and murderers weren’t born. They would be here now. Free set up on benefits.

Certainly in many US blue states, welfare programmes incentivise single motherhood. Arguably the same in the UK.

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PalazioVecchio south pole 06 Mar 19 1.28am
Originally posted by Penge Eagle Certainly in many US blue states, welfare programmes incentivise single motherhood. Arguably the same in the UK. do the countries in Europe with a miserly welfare State have these same gangs and stabbings ? poland/spain/serbia ? Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford
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Originally posted by Penge Eagle

Certainly in many US blue states, welfare programmes incentivise single motherhood. Arguably the same in the UK.

do the countries in Europe with a miserly welfare State have these same gangs and stabbings ?

poland/spain/serbia ?

Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford

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Pussay Patrol 06 Mar 19 5.50am
Originally posted by PalazioVecchio do the countries in Europe with a miserly welfare State have these same gangs and stabbings ? poland/spain/serbia ? Maybe they haven't slashed police numbers? Paua oouaarancì Irà chiyeah Ishé galé ma ba oo ah
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06 Mar 19 5.50am

Originally posted by PalazioVecchio

do the countries in Europe with a miserly welfare State have these same gangs and stabbings ?

poland/spain/serbia ?

Maybe they haven't slashed police numbers?

Paua oouaarancì Irà chiyeah Ishé galé ma ba oo ah

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Midlands Eagle 06 Mar 19 7.01am
Originally posted by Pussay Patrol Maybe they haven't slashed police numbers? Far more likely that they haven't imported quite as many black people along with their culture of violence and lack of respect for either authority or human life or haven't you noticed that the vast majority of knife crime is black on black
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Originally posted by Pussay Patrol

Maybe they haven't slashed police numbers?

Far more likely that they haven't imported quite as many black people along with their culture of violence and lack of respect for either authority or human life or haven't you noticed that the vast majority of knife crime is black on black

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Pussay Patrol 06 Mar 19 7.57am
Originally posted by Midlands Eagle Far more likely that they haven't imported quite as many black people along with their culture of violence and lack of respect for either authority or human life or haven't you noticed that the vast majority of knife crime is black on black OK and because of that it's better to have less police? Paua oouaarancì Irà chiyeah Ishé galé ma ba oo ah
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06 Mar 19 7.57am

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

OK and because of that it's better to have less police?

Paua oouaarancì Irà chiyeah Ishé galé ma ba oo ah

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Rubin 06 Mar 19 8.03am
When being interviewed on LBC yesterday, Cressida Dick said yesterday that 62% of homicide victims are black, and that the number of black offenders is 'slightly higher when you look at knife crime under 25'. In 2011 blacks made 13% of the population of London, which means a roughly 500% proportional overrepresentation. This can not be blamed on a lack of police in the mind of a sane person. Edited by Rubin (06 Mar 2019 8.09am)
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06 Mar 19 8.03am

When being interviewed on LBC yesterday, Cressida Dick said yesterday that 62% of homicide victims are black, and that the number of black offenders is 'slightly higher when you look at knife crime under 25'.

In 2011 blacks made 13% of the population of London, which means a roughly 500% proportional overrepresentation. This can not be blamed on a lack of police in the mind of a sane person.

Edited by Rubin (06 Mar 2019 8.09am)

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Rudi Hedman Caterham 06 Mar 19 8.19am
Originally posted by Pussay Patrol OK and because of that it's better to have less police? It’s time more was done. Not because there’s not enough police or they’re unfortunate but because they’re doing very little as a community or individuals. The culture from decades past of knock up a young woman or 4 and the new youth culture together with very little community responsibility is the reason and because the genie is out of the bottle they need to get tough on those young people breaking the law now and make sure the community take responsibility in shopping these people in and looking out for those not yet old enough to get sucked into this rubbish. COYP
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Rudi Hedman

Caterham 06 Mar 19 8.19am

Originally posted by Pussay Patrol

OK and because of that it's better to have less police?

It’s time more was done. Not because there’s not enough police or they’re unfortunate but because they’re doing very little as a community or individuals. The culture from decades past of knock up a young woman or 4 and the new youth culture together with very little community responsibility is the reason and because the genie is out of the bottle they need to get tough on those young people breaking the law now and make sure the community take responsibility in shopping these people in and looking out for those not yet old enough to get sucked into this rubbish.

COYP

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becky over the moon 06 Mar 19 8.20am
Originally posted by Rudi Hedman I have thought for some time that the black community need to stand up and take responsibility for this. I’ve just heard the melanie Philips from the Daily Mail Daily Mail on the sky news press review go further and explain a black community in America took ownership of the problem with the white community rather than positioning itself against. They teamed up with the police and authorities and got all the drug dealers, drugs, guns, knives and everyone swept up and problems under control. It was their children being killed or in danger of being killed. Those communities here aren’t doing enough or anything and are instead relying on former gang members because they’re the only ones these sheep or those nobody else to be friends with if they live in the really sh1t estates, listen to. How many times do you hear of what a nice boy the gang member was who was chased into a cul-de-sac and stabbed 20 times because his gang did similar? There really is a lack of discipline and respect when young black boys get together in groups. The last time I got a bus years ago I noticed how these individuals who wouldn’t say a word on their own felt so powerful in a group. Loud and unruly. There does need to be more police. I’ve seen some pretty shocking cheeky driving because there’s never any police around. But more police won’t stop a kid being stabbed by the garages or stairwell in a council estate, although more police would help round them all up to show the next wave of sheep it’s a worthless lifestyle choice, if there’s any gang members left by then to recruit them or to look good in their new nike air max. God it’s so pathetic. Think of the riots. They weren’t going out looting Tesco. It was Foot Locker and Curry’s. No morals, a different definition of respect, and not much chance of a solution with the under 13’s or whatever age if they don’t sweep up the current gangs and perpetrators. Edited by Rudi Hedman (05 Mar 2019 11.07pm) Sadly, I think there's little chance of the black community here standing together to sort the problem for 2 reasons.... Firstly, as you say, we hear every time what a lovely innocent their boy was, had nothing to do with gangs, etc. etc. because as you say, on their own or around their families they behave in a totally different manner, so you have the denial that their child could be involved. Secondly, since the Stephen Lawrence/Damilola Taylor killings and the subsequent accusations of 'institutional' or individual racism on the part of the Police (the merits or none of which I'm not here to debate), in my opinion, I think that there is an increased attitude that this gang problem is 'not their fault' - playing the victim role themselves because it is mainly black kids involved and so there must be an element of racism from the police and authorities, schools are ignoring their needs and they lack equal opportunities because that's what they seriously believe. Instead of taking their opportunities, they prefer to go backwards and risk dying in some kind of multinational tribal warfare - because that's exactly what it is, tribal. A stairway to Heaven and a Highway to Hell give some indication of expected traffic numbers
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over the moon 06 Mar 19 8.20am

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

I have thought for some time that the black community need to stand up and take responsibility for this.

I’ve just heard the melanie Philips from the Daily Mail Daily Mail on the sky news press review go further and explain a black community in America took ownership of the problem with the white community rather than positioning itself against. They teamed up with the police and authorities and got all the drug dealers, drugs, guns, knives and everyone swept up and problems under control. It was their children being killed or in danger of being killed.

Those communities here aren’t doing enough or anything and are instead relying on former gang members because they’re the only ones these sheep or those nobody else to be friends with if they live in the really sh1t estates, listen to. How many times do you hear of what a nice boy the gang member was who was chased into a cul-de-sac and stabbed 20 times because his gang did similar?

There really is a lack of discipline and respect when young black boys get together in groups. The last time I got a bus years ago I noticed how these individuals who wouldn’t say a word on their own felt so powerful in a group. Loud and unruly.

There does need to be more police. I’ve seen some pretty shocking cheeky driving because there’s never any police around. But more police won’t stop a kid being stabbed by the garages or stairwell in a council estate, although more police would help round them all up to show the next wave of sheep it’s a worthless lifestyle choice, if there’s any gang members left by then to recruit them or to look good in their new nike air max. God it’s so pathetic.

Think of the riots. They weren’t going out looting Tesco. It was Foot Locker and Curry’s.

No morals, a different definition of respect, and not much chance of a solution with the under 13’s or whatever age if they don’t sweep up the current gangs and perpetrators.

Edited by Rudi Hedman (05 Mar 2019 11.07pm)

Sadly, I think there's little chance of the black community here standing together to sort the problem
for 2 reasons....

Firstly, as you say, we hear every time what a lovely innocent their boy was, had nothing to do with gangs, etc. etc. because as you say, on their own or around their families they behave in a totally different manner, so you have the denial that their child could be involved.

Secondly, since the Stephen Lawrence/Damilola Taylor killings and the subsequent accusations of 'institutional' or individual racism on the part of the Police (the merits or none of which I'm not here to debate), in my opinion, I think that there is an increased attitude that this gang problem is 'not their fault' - playing the victim role themselves because it is mainly black kids involved and so there must be an element of racism from the police and authorities, schools are ignoring their needs and they lack equal opportunities because that's what they seriously believe.

Instead of taking their opportunities, they prefer to go backwards and risk dying in some kind of multinational tribal warfare - because that's exactly what it is, tribal.

A stairway to Heaven and a Highway to Hell give some indication of expected traffic numbers

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Rudi Hedman Caterham 06 Mar 19 8.29am
I have spoken to a few young people about Selhurst and they’ve called it a ghetto. A ghetto? They don’t know what a real ghetto is. This is because some like it to be more edgy. However, this was from people trained to defend themselves so I doubt they’ll be involved in any of this stuff, but you get from the description that young people in the area have a sort of pride in their area being edgy, on edge, a bit tough. That’s kind of okay in a way but not if you’re at risk of being stabbed. I told someone to walk away and he said he would fight anyone because he’s trained to be able to. He didn’t want to just run. Stupid boys. A knife can kill. COYP
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Caterham 06 Mar 19 8.29am

I have spoken to a few young people about Selhurst and they’ve called it a ghetto. A ghetto? They don’t know what a real ghetto is. This is because some like it to be more edgy. However, this was from people trained to defend themselves so I doubt they’ll be involved in any of this stuff, but you get from the description that young people in the area have a sort of pride in their area being edgy, on edge, a bit tough. That’s kind of okay in a way but not if you’re at risk of being stabbed. I told someone to walk away and he said he would fight anyone because he’s trained to be able to. He didn’t want to just run. Stupid boys. A knife can kill.

COYP

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