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 cryrst  The garden of England 01 Mar 19 10.59am |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
Happy to engage with you once you have done some basic learning. This is about the best place to study Did you pause to consider the issue of pensions - or lack thereof? And by the way, Africa isn't a country and there are very many flavours within the continent. Here is another of my projects. I was working for the Japanese on this one
Thats just flippant maple
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Mapletree  Croydon 01 Mar 19 11.51am |
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Originally posted by cryrst
Thats just flippant maple I did not say you were racist I did say that assuming African people aren't trying to help themselves is. They aren't helpless. They just don't have the wherewithal to make significant changes without help Poorer people in general have more children as survival rates are lower and they need someone in their old age to look after them Arguably it is in part our fault that Africans are quite as poor as they are. For example the mis-match in power between farmers and international distributors has been to our benefit and to the detriment of the economies of many African countries. It is also a moral imperative to help those less well off than ourselves. In addition, it is in our interests if we want to reduce the levels of international terrorism and warfare. Although that may not be in the interests of much of our industry. In 2017, the UK won defence orders worth £9 billion, up on the previous year's (£5.9 billion) and further illustrative of the 'volatile' nature of the global export market. The UK share of the global defence export market was estimated at 12% in 2017. Government defence statistics
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| Stirlingsays 01 Mar 19 12.50pm |
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Amusing.
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Attachment: Jimenez  SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 01 Mar 19 1.02pm |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
I did not say you were racist I did say that assuming African people aren't trying to help themselves is. They aren't helpless. They just don't have the wherewithal to make significant changes without help Poorer people in general have more children as survival rates are lower and they need someone in their old age to look after them Arguably it is in part our fault that Africans are quite as poor as they are. For example the mis-match in power between farmers and international distributors has been to our benefit and to the detriment of the economies of many African countries. It is also a moral imperative to help those less well off than ourselves. In addition, it is in our interests if we want to reduce the levels of international terrorism and warfare. Although that may not be in the interests of much of our industry. In 2017, the UK won defence orders worth £9 billion, up on the previous year's (£5.9 billion) and further illustrative of the 'volatile' nature of the global export market. The UK share of the global defence export market was estimated at 12% in 2017. Government defence statistics I agree up to a point, but when we are sending India & pakistan north 0f 500M who both have nuclear capabilities along side burgeoning space programmes, we need to take a serious look at overhauling our priorities.
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| cryrst The garden of England 01 Mar 19 5.01pm |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
I did not say you were racist I did say that assuming African people aren't trying to help themselves is. They aren't helpless. They just don't have the wherewithal to make significant changes without help Poorer people in general have more children as survival rates are lower and they need someone in their old age to look after them Arguably it is in part our fault that Africans are quite as poor as they are. For example the mis-match in power between farmers and international distributors has been to our benefit and to the detriment of the economies of many African countries. It is also a moral imperative to help those less well off than ourselves. In addition, it is in our interests if we want to reduce the levels of international terrorism and warfare. Although that may not be in the interests of much of our industry. In 2017, the UK won defence orders worth £9 billion, up on the previous year's (£5.9 billion) and further illustrative of the 'volatile' nature of the global export market. The UK share of the global defence export market was estimated at 12% in 2017. Government defence statistics Our fault in part that they are poor.
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| Mapletree Croydon 01 Mar 19 5.22pm |
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Originally posted by cryrst
Our fault in part that they are poor. It may behove you to look into your prejudices a little more deeply. The logic is not 'neandrethal', it makes very good sense in the situation in which people find themselves. Presumably you think that Africans are basically stupid and therefore there is no point in trying to help them to develop. No human is basically stupid, I can only assume you have never been to a developing country. The problem with the first wave of Zimbabwean farm expropriation was that in the main the farms were given to people with no farming experience. It was disastrous. Part of the intention was to move the farming away from cash crops into crops more suited to feeding the population, albeit that was an excuse for what was largely a political move. I knew a couple that in the end gave up their farm and they were mostly growing tea. In fact things are now slowly starting to improve but much damage has been done, some of it permanent due to soil erosion. I draw positives from the recovery and feel it needs supporting. There is some interesting precedent, for example the 'White Revolution' in India.
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| Stirlingsays 01 Mar 19 5.56pm |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
It may behove you to look into your prejudices a little more deeply. The logic is not 'neandrethal', it makes very good sense in the situation in which people find themselves. Presumably you think that Africans are basically stupid and therefore there is no point in trying to help them to develop. No human is basically stupid, I can only assume you have never been to a developing country. The problem with the first wave of Zimbabwean farm expropriation was that in the main the farms were given to people with no farming experience. It was disastrous. Part of the intention was to move the farming away from cash crops into crops more suited to feeding the population, albeit that was an excuse for what was largely a political move. I knew a couple that in the end gave up their farm and they were mostly growing tea. In fact things are now slowly starting to improve but much damage has been done, some of it permanent due to soil erosion. I draw positives from the recovery and feel it needs supporting. There is some interesting precedent, for example the 'White Revolution' in India. Every group of people has an intelligentsia. In every 100 people you will have the top ten percent for example. I've taught plenty of intelligent people from all backgrounds. Like everything else it's a percent game. However, If the problems in Africa were just related to an innate intelligence IQ question then Africa would be doing far better than it is. There are plenty of other factors, but it's also true that the genetic ones tend to be related to IQ....levels of aggression for example being connected to self control, which is related to intelligence....none of these categories are completely independent of each other because what constitutes 'intelligence' is multi-factored and not one thing like say complex pattern recognition. A lot of people get sold warm worded lies about what has gone on in Africa. I was amazed when I looked into this. It just reaffirmed my cynicism for a society that prefers egalitarianism to reality. Edited by Stirlingsays (01 Mar 2019 6.11pm)
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ASCPFC  Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 01 Mar 19 6.11pm |
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I was going to post on this thread but I'm too busy searching for minorities to save.
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| Stirlingsays 01 Mar 19 6.24pm |
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When it comes to IQ and groups I'd recommend looking into what Charles Murray, Sam Harris and Stefan Molyneux have said on the matter. It's important that we understand that no one is to blame for their genetics and that's it's an accident of birth for all of us. That's all true....but it does now sound like I'm searching for virtue points.
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| Stirlingsays 01 Mar 19 6.35pm |
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Anyway, if the end result of David Lammy's intervention here is to reduce the level of aid from white people in the UK to Comic relief then he has committed a grave grave injury to those black people in extreme poverty in Africa. Raising frigging identity politics when kids are starving is truly awful. Edited by Stirlingsays (01 Mar 2019 6.36pm)
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| W12 01 Mar 19 7.25pm | |
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Sargon nails it for me:
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| Stirlingsays 01 Mar 19 8.02pm |
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Yep, Sargon's a lot less 'fun' nowadays because he's far more politically correct now....I suspect he's thinking of entering politics at some stage. Still, essentially he's right.
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