My personal thought would be that if a White South African identified as such, he would be correct to do so. It's not a society I'm part of though and so factors at play there may feed into how some self identify and so on. Primarily I am thinking to our society, people in my own life who solely identity with the nation as I do, their steadfast allegiance to their country of birth and how they should be recognised for their contribution to it.

If two people are born into the same culture and background and hold the same love of their country, that should be recognised as such in my view. We should be looking to encourage that and I don't feel that differentiating in that circumstance is useful to anyone.

Edited by dollardays (15 Feb 2019 4.31am)

I think that comes back to the immigration issue , in that speed of change impacts perception and can be disruptive to society if it goes unchecked and various different cultures and customs pour in. As I've already stated to others, I'm very much against our unchecked immigration.

In a more sane society, change is gradual enough that is it accommodated or based on our needs as a country.

If people were allowed to move to SA in increasing numbers, for those children raised in the manner of that nation and who embrace it, they would be South African as that would be their experience of home and identity. The numbers issue would be dependent upon policy. If people are concerned about a fast rate of change that would be certainly be understandable. More so where religion is a factor too, as with the huge influx in Germany, where many no doubt have very little desire to adapt to the wider culture.

In getting back to the point however, none of this is the concern of those born here with every bit of a love for the country as you but of a different race. If you're born here and the countries traditions and culture is sewn into your being, it matters not if you're black or white and it's not useful to question that aspect of a person. They're not a guest. They don't need an invitation. The country has no shortage of people who don't care about about it, but for those who do, they become inseparable from it. They are it and if we attack them, we attack ourselves.

Edited by dollardays (15 Feb 2019 5.32am)

Sadly this is comically detached from absolutely everything I said in the message you replied to, but I'll take the time to clarify.

I specifically said that black south africans do have a right to be concerned about the rate of change to their country in the scenario you stated.

And I specifically didn't say that boer and whites are magically every bit as South African the moment they enter the country. What I did say is that " for those children raised in the manner of that nation and who embrace it, they would be South African as that would be their experience of home and identity. "

Which of course brings us full circle to my view of my British born friends and loved ones here:

"In getting back to the point however, none of this is the concern of those born here with every bit of a love for the country as you but of a different race. If you're born here and the countries traditions and culture is sewn into your being, it matters not if you're black or white and it's not useful to question that aspect of a person. They're not a guest. They don't need an invitation. The country has no shortage of people who don't care about about it, but for those who do, they become inseparable from it. They are it and if we attack them, we attack ourselves.

Essentially you appear to be saying that...race isn't important at all and that nationality is all that matters.

Like I said, I agree with this up to an extent.

Essentially this is saying that black Africans have no right to a majority black Africa.....East Asians have no right to Japan, China or Korea, Europeans have no right to Europe.

This isn't quite my position. While I'd agree that nationality does play a role. I think legitimate cases can be made for all of these.

Edited by Stirlingsays (15 Feb 2019 6.12am)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

I think you are in the ground that I use to occupy.

It's the Jordan Peterson position and I respect it....It's also Sargon's message and I respect that as well. Genetics doesn't have to define the individual.

That said, Peterson is pushing ethical lines....but who is listening to him....it's not a very diverse lot attending his excellent lectures.

Identity politics is out of the bag it's an industry in full economic and social swing. Something Jordan speaks about....but I fear that for all the excellent advice Jordan gives out the end result might be that he is just doping up one particular type of patient a few decades before their life support gets switched off.

Breakfast in Bed.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

I don't know why this bothers people so much,it's just one stupid girl, after all the blood we spilt in the middle East the only retribution is a few loons, we should be grateful it's not a bigger number

Let it go

Paua oouaarancì Irà chiyeah Ishé galé ma ba oo ah