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Forest Hillbilly in a hidey-hole 25 Feb 19 2.51pm
Originally posted by ChrisGC This is the problem that referees suffer from. Fouls are not subjective. The ball was either won or it wasn't. The players was either impeded or he wasn't. It is either a foul or it isn't. There is no subjectivity. yes there is subjectivity. I'm afraid it's human nature. Read Mark Clattenburgs book, to read about how influenced referees can be. And I will never forgive that cutn for blowing late in the cup final to deny Palace the early lead. I see what you are saying, about stonewall decisions, but there are always going to be 'marginals'. Irrespective of VAR , or anything else. And some players are diving fcking cheats,...aren't they Mr Snodgrass ? I guess we'll have to live with the smaller stuff, but if we can eliminate the 'big calls', that's a step in the right direction Edited by Forest Hillbilly (25 Feb 2019 2.53pm) Edited by Forest Hillbilly (25 Feb 2019 2.55pm) I disengage, I turn the page.
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Originally posted by ChrisGC

This is the problem that referees suffer from. Fouls are not subjective.

The ball was either won or it wasn't. The players was either impeded or he wasn't. It is either a foul or it isn't.

There is no subjectivity.

yes there is subjectivity. I'm afraid it's human nature. Read Mark Clattenburgs book, to read about how influenced referees can be.
And I will never forgive that cutn for blowing late in the cup final to deny Palace the early lead.

I see what you are saying, about stonewall decisions, but there are always going to be 'marginals'. Irrespective of VAR , or anything else.
And some players are diving fcking cheats,...aren't they Mr Snodgrass ?

I guess we'll have to live with the smaller stuff, but if we can eliminate the 'big calls', that's a step in the right direction

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ChrisGC Wantage 25 Feb 19 4.56pm
Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly yes there is subjectivity. I'm afraid it's human nature. Read Mark Clattenburgs book, to read about how influenced referees can be. And I will never forgive that cutn for blowing late in the cup final to deny Palace the early lead. I see what you are saying, about stonewall decisions, but there are always going to be 'marginals'. Irrespective of VAR , or anything else. And some players are diving fcking cheats,...aren't they Mr Snodgrass ? I guess we'll have to live with the smaller stuff, but if we can eliminate the 'big calls', that's a step in the right direction Edited by Forest Hillbilly (25 Feb 2019 2.53pm) Edited by Forest Hillbilly (25 Feb 2019 2.55pm) There isn't room for subjectivity when the rules are applied as they should be. Mark Battenburg is prime example of everything that is wrong with refereeing. This culture of "game management", letting things go to suit, or carding players to avoid blame as he put it (about the battle of the bridge). It is corruption based on vanity. Just because they've completely lost sight of their role in the game, doesn't make 17 simple rules any less concrete then they actually are.
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Wantage 25 Feb 19 4.56pm

Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly

I guess we'll have to live with the smaller stuff, but if we can eliminate the 'big calls', that's a step in the right direction

Edited by Forest Hillbilly (25 Feb 2019 2.53pm)

Edited by Forest Hillbilly (25 Feb 2019 2.55pm)

There isn't room for subjectivity when the rules are applied as they should be.

Mark Battenburg is prime example of everything that is wrong with refereeing. This culture of "game management", letting things go to suit, or carding players to avoid blame as he put it (about the battle of the bridge). It is corruption based on vanity.

Just because they've completely lost sight of their role in the game, doesn't make 17 simple rules any less concrete then they actually are.

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The Dolphin 25 Feb 19 5.03pm
I think that VAR should have very limited use otherwise we are going to see Referees just asking the question about everything to stop them getting the blame. "Is there a reason why I cannot give that goal"? How far do they then go back - it could get very silly. I prefer no VAR!
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25 Feb 19 5.03pm

I think that VAR should have very limited use otherwise we are going to see Referees just asking the question about everything to stop them getting the blame.
"Is there a reason why I cannot give that goal"?
How far do they then go back - it could get very silly.
I prefer no VAR!

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spartakev2 Anerley 25 Feb 19 5.27pm
Originally posted by ChrisGC There isn't room for subjectivity when the rules are applied as they should be. Mark Battenburg is prime example of everything that is wrong with refereeing. This culture of "game management", letting things go to suit, or carding players to avoid blame as he put it (about the battle of the bridge). It is corruption based on vanity. Just because they've completely lost sight of their role in the game, doesn't make 17 simple rules any less concrete then they actually are. How many times have you watched match of the day and the 'pundits' can't agree wether or not it's a penalty. ....so I'm afraid even with VAR there will be subjectivity..
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Anerley 25 Feb 19 5.27pm

Originally posted by ChrisGC

There isn't room for subjectivity when the rules are applied as they should be.

Just because they've completely lost sight of their role in the game, doesn't make 17 simple rules any less concrete then they actually are.

How many times have you watched match of the day and the 'pundits' can't agree wether or not it's a penalty. ....so I'm afraid even with VAR there will be subjectivity..

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ChrisGC Wantage 25 Feb 19 5.49pm
Originally posted by spartakev2 How many times have you watched match of the day and the 'pundits' can't agree wether or not it's a penalty. ....so I'm afraid even with VAR there will be subjectivity.. Again, just because a couple of incompetent pundits give their opinion ("for me, that wasn't a penalty": well, the rule book states that it is) it doesn't alter the fact that it's 17 rules which should be enforced objectively.
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Wantage 25 Feb 19 5.49pm

Originally posted by spartakev2

How many times have you watched match of the day and the 'pundits' can't agree wether or not it's a penalty. ....so I'm afraid even with VAR there will be subjectivity..

Again, just because a couple of incompetent pundits give their opinion ("for me, that wasn't a penalty": well, the rule book states that it is) it doesn't alter the fact that it's 17 rules which should be enforced objectively.

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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 25 Feb 19 5.49pm
Originally posted by spartakev2 How many times have you watched match of the day and the 'pundits' can't agree wether or not it's a penalty. ....so I'm afraid even with VAR there will be subjectivity.. You have highlighted subjectivity in terms of penalty incidents but there will also be subjectivity in terms of whether a player in an offside position is deemed to have interfered with the keeper's line of sight as the ball flies past him and goes into the goal. And I suspect there will be debate and interpretation as to a "Clear and obvious error".Perhaps the debate will move away from the onfield referee and focus on the VAR system !
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South coast - west of Brighton. 25 Feb 19 5.49pm

Originally posted by spartakev2

How many times have you watched match of the day and the 'pundits' can't agree wether or not it's a penalty. ....so I'm afraid even with VAR there will be subjectivity..

You have highlighted subjectivity in terms of penalty incidents but there will also be subjectivity in terms of whether a player in an offside position is deemed to have interfered with the keeper's line of sight as the ball flies past him and goes into the goal.

And I suspect there will be debate and interpretation as to a "Clear and obvious error".Perhaps the debate will move away from the onfield referee and focus on the VAR system !

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spartakev2 Anerley 25 Feb 19 6.08pm
Originally posted by ChrisGC Again, just because a couple of incompetent pundits give their opinion ("for me, that wasn't a penalty": well, the rule book states that it is) it doesn't alter the fact that it's 17 rules which should be enforced objectively. If only it was that black and white. You haven't got a clue.
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Anerley 25 Feb 19 6.08pm

Originally posted by ChrisGC

If only it was that black and white. You haven't got a clue.

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ChrisGC Wantage 25 Feb 19 6.14pm
Originally posted by spartakev2 If only it was that black and white. You haven't got a clue. It is that black and white. Subjectivity regarding offside FFS. They're either offside or they're not. It boils down to competency: can the referee enforce to law, or do they allow subjectivity to influence them. The culture encourages the latter, so VAR will never work. Edited by ChrisGC (25 Feb 2019 6.22pm)
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Wantage 25 Feb 19 6.14pm

Originally posted by spartakev2

If only it was that black and white. You haven't got a clue.

It is that black and white.

Subjectivity regarding offside FFS. They're either offside or they're not.

It boils down to competency: can the referee enforce to law, or do they allow subjectivity to influence them. The culture encourages the latter, so VAR will never work.

Edited by ChrisGC (25 Feb 2019 6.22pm)

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ChrisGC Wantage 25 Feb 19 6.21pm
Originally posted by ChrisGC Accidental second post deleted. Edited by ChrisGC (25 Feb 2019 6.22pm)
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Wantage 25 Feb 19 6.21pm

Originally posted by ChrisGC

Accidental second post deleted.

Edited by ChrisGC (25 Feb 2019 6.22pm)

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andyachtie Monte Giberto 25 Feb 19 6.35pm
Originally posted by ChrisGC It is that black and white. Subjectivity regarding offside FFS. They're either offside or they're not. It boils down to competency: can the referee enforce to law, or do they allow subjectivity to influence them. The culture encourages the latter, so VAR will never work. Edited by ChrisGC (25 Feb 2019 6.22pm) Offside is just one aspect for VAR. This is black and white and VAR is perfect for it. With regard all the other decisions its subjective by all that look at the screen. I think that with more looks at the screen and in slow mo, mire correct decisions will be made. I am fully for VAR.
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Monte Giberto 25 Feb 19 6.35pm

Originally posted by ChrisGC

It is that black and white.

Subjectivity regarding offside FFS. They're either offside or they're not.

It boils down to competency: can the referee enforce to law, or do they allow subjectivity to influence them. The culture encourages the latter, so VAR will never work.

Edited by ChrisGC (25 Feb 2019 6.22pm)

Offside is just one aspect for VAR. This is black and white and VAR is perfect for it. With regard all the other decisions its subjective by all that look at the screen. I think that with more looks at the screen and in slow mo, mire correct decisions will be made. I am fully for VAR.

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Part Time James 25 Feb 19 6.38pm
I've always thought to myself "FIFA on the Xbox never gets decisions wrong". What we need are three Xbox Ones officiating at games. They are already dressed in black. Just a thought.
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I've always thought to myself "FIFA on the Xbox never gets decisions wrong". What we need are three Xbox Ones officiating at games. They are already dressed in black.

Just a thought.

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Tickled pink Cornwall 25 Feb 19 8.33pm
Originally posted by bifffabazz Agreed. The VAR ‘team’ must be have been smoking something (paid for by Madrid). Absolutely shocking. UEFA need to step in (unless they’re taking bungs too!) I thought it was a perfectly good decision.
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Cornwall 25 Feb 19 8.33pm

Originally posted by bifffabazz

Agreed. The VAR ‘team’ must be have been smoking something (paid for by Madrid). Absolutely shocking. UEFA need to step in (unless they’re taking bungs too!)

I thought it was a perfectly good decision.

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