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Hrolf The Ganger 21 Jan 19 5.00pm
Originally posted by YT 5) Everything that follows is instantly different therefore the person who murders baby Hitler, in that moment, most probably ceases to have ever existed, therefore the murder would be impossible. As I have said, the past has already happened so you cannot change it. If you could travel back in time, whatever you did back then has already happened from the perspective of the present. Quantum physics suggests that every possibility happens at all times so perhaps you might create an alternate reality which would have its own future and not affect your original reality. Of course, no one would have a clue about the importance of what you had done.
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21 Jan 19 5.00pm

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Originally posted by YT

5) Everything that follows is instantly different therefore the person who murders baby Hitler, in that moment, most probably ceases to have ever existed, therefore the murder would be impossible.

As I have said, the past has already happened so you cannot change it.
If you could travel back in time, whatever you did back then has already happened from the perspective of the present.
Quantum physics suggests that every possibility happens at all times so perhaps you might create an alternate reality which would have its own future and not affect your original reality. Of course, no one would have a clue about the importance of what you had done.

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Hrolf The Ganger 21 Jan 19 5.03pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Well I've looked into it and while how the British conducted the war isn't anything like what we would view as acceptable now it most certainly wasn't genocide. In fact it's an outrageous claim that is very far from the truth. Comparing what the British did to the Nazi death camps is actually very off......multiple millions of Jews were deliberately murdered as state policy over years. Edited by Stirlingsays (21 Jan 2019 4.54pm) I'm really surprised that Steeleye would post a load of total bollocks.
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Hrolf The Ganger

21 Jan 19 5.03pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Well I've looked into it and while how the British conducted the war isn't anything like what we would view as acceptable now it most certainly wasn't genocide.

In fact it's an outrageous claim that is very far from the truth.

Comparing what the British did to the Nazi death camps is actually very off......multiple millions of Jews were deliberately murdered as state policy over years.

Edited by Stirlingsays (21 Jan 2019 4.54pm)

I'm really surprised that Steeleye would post a load of total bollocks.

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Cucking Funt Clapham on the Back 21 Jan 19 5.58pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger I'm really surprised that Steeleye would post a load of total bollocks. It would be entirely out of character. Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham
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Clapham on the Back 21 Jan 19 5.58pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

I'm really surprised that Steeleye would post a load of total bollocks.

It would be entirely out of character.

Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham

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Stirlingsays 21 Jan 19 5.59pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger As I have said, the past has already happened so you cannot change it. If you could travel back in time, whatever you did back then has already happened from the perspective of the present. Quantum physics suggests that every possibility happens at all times so perhaps you might create an alternate reality which would have its own future and not affect your original reality. Of course, no one would have a clue about the importance of what you had done. Yes, it does seem that particles can travel back in time....I've heard this....but what it has to say about the nature of time and mass I don't know. Personally I would have thought that time travel was impossible unless the state and distribution of all matter in the universe is being recorded in some way......Who knows....but if it was it would suggest a controller. I doubt my level of understanding is up to it....perhaps we have a Holer who knows something about these things. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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21 Jan 19 5.59pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

As I have said, the past has already happened so you cannot change it.
If you could travel back in time, whatever you did back then has already happened from the perspective of the present.
Quantum physics suggests that every possibility happens at all times so perhaps you might create an alternate reality which would have its own future and not affect your original reality. Of course, no one would have a clue about the importance of what you had done.

Yes, it does seem that particles can travel back in time....I've heard this....but what it has to say about the nature of time and mass I don't know.

Personally I would have thought that time travel was impossible unless the state and distribution of all matter in the universe is being recorded in some way......Who knows....but if it was it would suggest a controller.

I doubt my level of understanding is up to it....perhaps we have a Holer who knows something about these things.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Hrolf The Ganger 21 Jan 19 6.49pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Yes, it does seem that particles can travel back in time....I've heard this....but what it has to say about the nature of time and mass I don't know. Personally I would have thought that time travel was impossible unless the state and distribution of all matter in the universe is being recorded in some way......Who knows....but if it was it would suggest a controller. I doubt my level of understanding is up to it....perhaps we have a Holer who knows something about these things. I'm not sure if that person exists.
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21 Jan 19 6.49pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Yes, it does seem that particles can travel back in time....I've heard this....but what it has to say about the nature of time and mass I don't know.

I doubt my level of understanding is up to it....perhaps we have a Holer who knows something about these things.

I'm not sure if that person exists.

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NickinOX Sailing country. 22 Jan 19 6.03pm
Originally posted by steeleye20 I am afraid your rose-tinted view of empire still persists. 'A report after the war concluded that 27,927 Boers (of whom 24,074 [50 percent of the Boer child population] were children under 16) had died of starvation, disease and exposure in the concentration camps. In all, about one in four (25 percent) of the Boer inmates, mostly children, died'. It was genocide not blackmail. Genocide requires a significant degree of intent. As soon as the conditions in the camps in South Africa were exposed in the British press, the government changed the way they were administered. "Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide Article II In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such: Killing members of the group; Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group; Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part; Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group; Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group." You might also want to read about what happened after the appalling mismanagement of the camps was exposed. [Link] Was it horrific, unwarranted, and negligent? Yes. But that does not make it genocide. Edited by NickinOX (22 Jan 2019 6.07pm) If you come to a fork in the road, take it.
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Sailing country. 22 Jan 19 6.03pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

I am afraid your rose-tinted view of empire still persists.

'A report after the war concluded that 27,927 Boers (of whom 24,074 [50 percent of the Boer child population] were children under 16) had died of starvation, disease and exposure in the concentration camps. In all, about one in four (25 percent) of the Boer inmates, mostly children, died'.

It was genocide not blackmail.

Genocide requires a significant degree of intent. As soon as the conditions in the camps in South Africa were exposed in the British press, the government changed the way they were administered.

"Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide
Article II

In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:

Killing members of the group;
Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group."

You might also want to read about what happened after the appalling mismanagement of the camps was exposed.

[Link]

Was it horrific, unwarranted, and negligent? Yes. But that does not make it genocide.

Edited by NickinOX (22 Jan 2019 6.07pm)

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NickinOX Sailing country. 22 Jan 19 6.06pm
Originally posted by steeleye20 Anybody will tell you, the British invented concentration camps in the Boer war preceding that. Then you should look at one of the main justifications for the US intervention against Spanish rule in Cuba. [Link] 1896 and Spain is the correct answer. Edited by NickinOX (22 Jan 2019 6.12pm) If you come to a fork in the road, take it.
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Sailing country. 22 Jan 19 6.06pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

Anybody will tell you, the British invented concentration camps in the Boer war preceding that.

Then you should look at one of the main justifications for the US intervention against Spanish rule in Cuba.

[Link]

1896 and Spain is the correct answer.

Edited by NickinOX (22 Jan 2019 6.12pm)

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ChrisGC Wantage 22 Jan 19 6.50pm
Bit odd that people are against killing the bloke who murdered millions of Jews and in the next breath accuse the empire of being on a par. The correct answer is that the Empire brought civilisation to the world and is something to be immensely proud of and Hitler was evil and any hypothetical chance to wipe him out should be taken. Simple as that.
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Wantage 22 Jan 19 6.50pm

Bit odd that people are against killing the bloke who murdered millions of Jews and in the next breath accuse the empire of being on a par.

The correct answer is that the Empire brought civilisation to the world and is something to be immensely proud of and Hitler was evil and any hypothetical chance to wipe him out should be taken.

Simple as that.

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Bert the Head Epsom 22 Jan 19 8.05pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Perhaps....but without Marx do we get Stalin?....Mao Zedong?.....Pol Pot? Considering your list of baddies, Pol Pot is a strange choice. The right wing supported him. After the Vietnamese rescued Cambodia from the Khmer Rouge and the genocide was well known, Maggie Thatcher supported Pol Pot and tried to get him back in power. We (the British SAS) trained his troops to kill the starving Cambodians who survived him first time round. How about killing the baby Milton Friedman - without him you would not have got Pinochet. Pinochet was well tight with Thatcher, too. I think the way it works is that viscous Murderers are ok as long as they follow the right ideology. Edited by Bert the Head (22 Jan 2019 8.06pm)
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Epsom 22 Jan 19 8.05pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Perhaps....but without Marx do we get Stalin?....Mao Zedong?.....Pol Pot?

Considering your list of baddies, Pol Pot is a strange choice.

The right wing supported him. After the Vietnamese rescued Cambodia from the Khmer Rouge and the genocide was well known, Maggie Thatcher supported Pol Pot and tried to get him back in power. We (the British SAS) trained his troops to kill the starving Cambodians who survived him first time round.

How about killing the baby Milton Friedman - without him you would not have got Pinochet. Pinochet was well tight with Thatcher, too.

I think the way it works is that viscous Murderers are ok as long as they follow the right ideology.

Edited by Bert the Head (22 Jan 2019 8.06pm)

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Stirlingsays 22 Jan 19 8.28pm
Originally posted by ChrisGC Bit odd that people are against killing the bloke who murdered millions of Jews and in the next breath accuse the empire of being on a par. The correct answer is that the Empire brought civilisation to the world and is something to be immensely proud of and Hitler was evil and any hypothetical chance to wipe him out should be taken. Simple as that. Hitler didn't start the Nazi party with its anti semitism, which was very common, and nor did he come up with the final solution idea. However he's the guy responsible for signing off on it and ultimately the most responsible for the deaths of millions due to it. Essentially we said that if not Hitler it would have been someone else because these were forces far larger than one individual. Rather than murdering a baby, it would have been far better to have gone decades later and had a quiet word with a brown envelope with whoever it was at the Vienna art school to let him in.....Well...you'd have to learn Austrian first I suppose. Edited by Stirlingsays (22 Jan 2019 8.40pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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Stirlingsays

22 Jan 19 8.28pm

Originally posted by ChrisGC

Bit odd that people are against killing the bloke who murdered millions of Jews and in the next breath accuse the empire of being on a par.

The correct answer is that the Empire brought civilisation to the world and is something to be immensely proud of and Hitler was evil and any hypothetical chance to wipe him out should be taken.

Simple as that.

Hitler didn't start the Nazi party with its anti semitism, which was very common, and nor did he come up with the final solution idea. However he's the guy responsible for signing off on it and ultimately the most responsible for the deaths of millions due to it.

Essentially we said that if not Hitler it would have been someone else because these were forces far larger than one individual.

Rather than murdering a baby, it would have been far better to have gone decades later and had a quiet word with a brown envelope with whoever it was at the Vienna art school to let him in.....Well...you'd have to learn Austrian first I suppose.

Edited by Stirlingsays (22 Jan 2019 8.40pm)

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Stirlingsays 22 Jan 19 8.36pm
Originally posted by Bert the Head Considering your list of baddies, Pol Pot is a strange choice. The right wing supported him. After the Vietnamese rescued Cambodia from the Khmer Rouge and the genocide was well known, Maggie Thatcher supported Pol Pot and tried to get him back in power. We (the British SAS) trained his troops to kill the starving Cambodians who survived him first time round. How about killing the baby Milton Friedman - without him you would not have got Pinochet. Pinochet was well tight with Thatcher, too. I think the way it works is that viscous Murderers are ok as long as they follow the right ideology. Edited by Bert the Head (22 Jan 2019 8.06pm) States choosing who they regard as the lesser evil to their interests has nothing to do with the individuals themselves. Pol Pot was a communist revolutionary.....the point holds that without Marx do you get Pol Pot. Of course you just used it to have a pop at Thatcher. Milton Friedman? Why Friedman? You think he's essential to the origins of capitalism or something? That's the merchant class of the middle ages surely. Edited by Stirlingsays (22 Jan 2019 8.37pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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22 Jan 19 8.36pm

Originally posted by Bert the Head

Considering your list of baddies, Pol Pot is a strange choice.

How about killing the baby Milton Friedman - without him you would not have got Pinochet. Pinochet was well tight with Thatcher, too.

I think the way it works is that viscous Murderers are ok as long as they follow the right ideology.

Edited by Bert the Head (22 Jan 2019 8.06pm)

States choosing who they regard as the lesser evil to their interests has nothing to do with the individuals themselves.

Pol Pot was a communist revolutionary.....the point holds that without Marx do you get Pol Pot.

Of course you just used it to have a pop at Thatcher.

Milton Friedman? Why Friedman? You think he's essential to the origins of capitalism or something?

That's the merchant class of the middle ages surely.

Edited by Stirlingsays (22 Jan 2019 8.37pm)

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Bert the Head Epsom 22 Jan 19 9.19pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays States choosing who they regard as the lesser evil to their interests has nothing to do with the individuals themselves. Pol Pot was a communist revolutionary.....the point holds that without Marx do you get Pol Pot. Of course you just used it to have a pop at Thatcher. Milton Friedman? Why Friedman? You think he's essential to the origins of capitalism or something? That's the merchant class of the middle ages surely. Edited by Stirlingsays (22 Jan 2019 8.37pm) Pol Pot wasn't really a follower of Marxism. The US bombing of Cambodia - a Country that wasn't at war with the US - had as much to do with the rise of Pol Pot as Communism did. Whereas Friedman was directly responsible for Pinochet. He was pretty much the guy's life coach. The freemarket experiment that Pinochet tried to implement was Friedmann's idea. Do you think that if Pol Pot was really a communist the American's and the UK would have tried to put him back in power?
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Bert the Head

Epsom 22 Jan 19 9.19pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

States choosing who they regard as the lesser evil to their interests has nothing to do with the individuals themselves.

Pol Pot was a communist revolutionary.....the point holds that without Marx do you get Pol Pot.

Of course you just used it to have a pop at Thatcher.

Milton Friedman? Why Friedman? You think he's essential to the origins of capitalism or something?

That's the merchant class of the middle ages surely.

Edited by Stirlingsays (22 Jan 2019 8.37pm)

Pol Pot wasn't really a follower of Marxism. The US bombing of Cambodia - a Country that wasn't at war with the US - had as much to do with the rise of Pol Pot as Communism did.

Whereas Friedman was directly responsible for Pinochet. He was pretty much the guy's life coach. The freemarket experiment that Pinochet tried to implement was Friedmann's idea.

Do you think that if Pol Pot was really a communist the American's and the UK would have tried to put him back in power?

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