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spartakev2 Anerley 05 Dec 18 10.48am
3-0 down at half time and against 10 men, we should have brought on Sorloth or Ayew (or both) at half time.....
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Anerley 05 Dec 18 10.48am

3-0 down at half time and against 10 men, we should have brought on Sorloth or Ayew (or both) at half time.....

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Hrolf The Ganger 05 Dec 18 11.04am
The inevitable knee jerk thread after a Brighton defeat. Aside from the fact that we were playing the referee as well as 10 men behind the ball for the second half, our problems have not changed. The board should have spent more money to secure another striker at least. Blaming the manager is bonkers. Until our chairman learns that you have to spend to stay up, we are ultimately doomed.
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The inevitable knee jerk thread after a Brighton defeat.

Aside from the fact that we were playing the referee as well as 10 men behind the ball for the second half, our problems have not changed.

The board should have spent more money to secure another striker at least. Blaming the manager is bonkers.

Until our chairman learns that you have to spend to stay up, we are ultimately doomed.

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MonsterMunch Cambridge 05 Dec 18 11.08am
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger The inevitable knee jerk thread after a Brighton defeat. Aside from the fact that we were playing the referee as well as 10 men behind the ball for the second half, our problems have not changed. The board should have spent more money to secure another striker at least. Blaming the manager is bonkers. Until our chairman learns that you have to spend to stay up, we are ultimately doomed. Sorry but for me you are just letting Hodgson off the hook here. He is the manager of the team. So manage the bloody team. Not do the same thing over and over again with the same results. Its his responsibility to find a solution with the tools he has available. He has not been given sufficient resources I get that, which is why he should be allowed January. But lets just say he does not receive said resources in January and we just continue in the same vein. What then?
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Cambridge 05 Dec 18 11.08am

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

The inevitable knee jerk thread after a Brighton defeat.

Aside from the fact that we were playing the referee as well as 10 men behind the ball for the second half, our problems have not changed.

The board should have spent more money to secure another striker at least. Blaming the manager is bonkers.

Until our chairman learns that you have to spend to stay up, we are ultimately doomed.

Sorry but for me you are just letting Hodgson off the hook here. He is the manager of the team. So manage the bloody team. Not do the same thing over and over again with the same results. Its his responsibility to find a solution with the tools he has available. He has not been given sufficient resources I get that, which is why he should be allowed January. But lets just say he does not receive said resources in January and we just continue in the same vein. What then?

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Goal Machine The Cronx 05 Dec 18 11.10am
Originally posted by MonsterMunch I agree he has a difficult job. However his job is to work with the players he has at his disposal. He is incapable of any tactical nouse. He cannot find a solution to our ineptness. He cannot find a plan for us to score from open play. Ok, so why do we not work on set plays? I mean I'm sure we do but they are hopeless. The formation he plays does not work. Change it and then change it again. Do something. He is a record stuck on repeat. Are you telling me Allardyce would not get a better tune out of these players? I'm sorry but I have almost had enough of Roys vacant expression on the touchline and in interviews. Hes out of ideas imo. Edited by MonsterMunch (05 Dec 2018 10.26am) No, I don't think Allardyce would for the same reason as there isn't anyone to stick it in the net. We are creating chances but not taking them. Missed penalty at Everton, chances against Spurs, better team vs Arsenal, Townsend and PVA at Old Trafford, 29 attempts but only 2 goals vs Burnley. There is only so much Hodgson can do, which in my opinion he is doing well, it's the players who have to get the job done. The effort is clearly there, the performances are good. He clearly still has the dressing room. Not time to change now. I admit he doesn't appear to have a plan B, but I think that's because of the lack of depth. Look at last nights bench, who could we have bought on to break Brighton down? We've generally looked organised and played attractive attacking football. He has been brilliant for us, I find it disappointing that we have a slump and people are already calling for his head.
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The Cronx 05 Dec 18 11.10am

Originally posted by MonsterMunch

I agree he has a difficult job. However his job is to work with the players he has at his disposal. He is incapable of any tactical nouse. He cannot find a solution to our ineptness. He cannot find a plan for us to score from open play. Ok, so why do we not work on set plays? I mean I'm sure we do but they are hopeless. The formation he plays does not work. Change it and then change it again. Do something. He is a record stuck on repeat. Are you telling me Allardyce would not get a better tune out of these players? I'm sorry but I have almost had enough of Roys vacant expression on the touchline and in interviews. Hes out of ideas imo.

Edited by MonsterMunch (05 Dec 2018 10.26am)

No, I don't think Allardyce would for the same reason as there isn't anyone to stick it in the net. We are creating chances but not taking them. Missed penalty at Everton, chances against Spurs, better team vs Arsenal, Townsend and PVA at Old Trafford, 29 attempts but only 2 goals vs Burnley. There is only so much Hodgson can do, which in my opinion he is doing well, it's the players who have to get the job done.

The effort is clearly there, the performances are good. He clearly still has the dressing room. Not time to change now.

I admit he doesn't appear to have a plan B, but I think that's because of the lack of depth. Look at last nights bench, who could we have bought on to break Brighton down? We've generally looked organised and played attractive attacking football.

He has been brilliant for us, I find it disappointing that we have a slump and people are already calling for his head.

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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 05 Dec 18 11.15am
Originally posted by MonsterMunch Sorry but for me you are just letting Hodgson off the hook here. He is the manager of the team. So manage the bloody team. Not do the same thing over and over again with the same results. Its his responsibility to find a solution with the tools he has available. He has not been given sufficient resources I get that, which is why he should be allowed January. But lets just say he does not receive said resources in January and we just continue in the same vein. What then? He will receive resources in January but given our acquisitions in recent windows, there is little faith that the new players will make a real difference.If they don't then we are in big trouble.The upcoming window is crucial to our chances of survival.
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South coast - west of Brighton. 05 Dec 18 11.15am

Originally posted by MonsterMunch

Sorry but for me you are just letting Hodgson off the hook here. He is the manager of the team. So manage the bloody team. Not do the same thing over and over again with the same results. Its his responsibility to find a solution with the tools he has available. He has not been given sufficient resources I get that, which is why he should be allowed January. But lets just say he does not receive said resources in January and we just continue in the same vein. What then?

He will receive resources in January but given our acquisitions in recent windows, there is little faith that the new players will make a real difference.If they don't then we are in big trouble.The upcoming window is crucial to our chances of survival.

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jimruss Sidcup 05 Dec 18 11.17am
Originally posted by Willo He will receive resources in January but given our acquisitions in recent windows, there is little faith that the new players will make a real difference.If they don't then we are in big trouble.The upcoming window is crucial to our chances of survival. I can't believe we're saying this again, it seems to be our new years resolution every year. Maybe one year we won't have fire fight in January.
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Sidcup 05 Dec 18 11.17am

Originally posted by Willo

I can't believe we're saying this again, it seems to be our new years resolution every year. Maybe one year we won't have fire fight in January.

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iheartcpfc SE25 05 Dec 18 11.32am
Both. Parish is a f*ing cochroach and his complete lack of long term planning and failure to implement infrastructure to bring us into 2018 with Watford, Leicester, Bournemouth and the fing weed (who have overtaken us now, make no mistake) means we will always be scraping survival and never kicking in, relying on vanity signings and Wilf to save us with the usual firefighter manager he will end up falling out with when they realise how difficult he is. Still, he will be backed by his sycophants who place no blame at his door ever - after all its impossible to have a decent scouting setup or look abroad for a young progressive coach that isn't Frank de Boer. Oh wait, Hull found Marco Silva when they were bottom and Norwich found Daniel Farke in the Championship. Oops. Roy has completely ballsed this season up. His attachment to one system, failure to rotate even with our sty squad, poor game management, failure or find a solution to the goals problem, fing disaster that is our set pieces (sackable offence alone imo), conservative tactics away letting a bang average side get all over us from kick off have combined to make a s fest of a season. We are severely underperforming and the losses to what should be our mid table rivals are stacking up. I don't think he is fit for purpose now and if it wasn't for our inability to think outside the box he'd be gone now and replaced by someone in the Farke/Lampard/Silva mold. Won't happen, we'll keep plugging away with Croydon Roy until even Parish has had enough, bins him and gets Mark f*ing Hughes We are the sick man of the league and need urgent intervention
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SE25 05 Dec 18 11.32am

Both. Parish is a f***ing cochroach and his complete lack of long term planning and failure to implement infrastructure to bring us into 2018 with Watford, Leicester, Bournemouth and the f***ing weed (who have overtaken us now, make no mistake) means we will always be scraping survival and never kicking in, relying on vanity signings and Wilf to save us with the usual firefighter manager he will end up falling out with when they realise how difficult he is. Still, he will be backed by his sycophants who place no blame at his door ever - after all its impossible to have a decent scouting setup or look abroad for a young progressive coach that isn't Frank de Boer. Oh wait, Hull found Marco Silva when they were bottom and Norwich found Daniel Farke in the Championship. Oops.

Roy has completely ballsed this season up. His attachment to one system, failure to rotate even with our s***ty squad, poor game management, failure or find a solution to the goals problem, f***ing disaster that is our set pieces (sackable offence alone imo), conservative tactics away letting a bang average side get all over us from kick off have combined to make a s*** fest of a season. We are severely underperforming and the losses to what should be our mid table rivals are stacking up. I don't think he is fit for purpose now and if it wasn't for our inability to think outside the box he'd be gone now and replaced by someone in the Farke/Lampard/Silva mold. Won't happen, we'll keep plugging away with Croydon Roy until even Parish has had enough, bins him and gets Mark f***ing Hughes

We are the sick man of the league and need urgent intervention

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Tipp_Eagle Tipperary 05 Dec 18 11.40am
To tell the truth im surprised he hasn't resigned after last nights fiasco , it was bloody embarrassing . oh yeah ,fcuk off brighton.
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Tipperary 05 Dec 18 11.40am

To tell the truth im surprised he hasn't resigned after last nights fiasco , it was bloody embarrassing .

oh yeah ,fcuk off brighton.

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Bangell Oxford 05 Dec 18 11.42am
Originally posted by MonsterMunch Sorry but for me you are just letting Hodgson off the hook here. He is the manager of the team. So manage the bloody team. Not do the same thing over and over again with the same results. Its his responsibility to find a solution with the tools he has available. He has not been given sufficient resources I get that, which is why he should be allowed January. But lets just say he does not receive said resources in January and we just continue in the same vein. What then? What if there is no solution with the tools available? Every team needs a striker - even when we had Cameron Jerome, we at least had someone who could play the position. Ayew has shown he's not up to it. Sorloth is a disgrace. Wickham and Benteke are injured and the latter is a shell of a man anyway. We're playing with 6 midfielders because we have to, and that with no Cabaye controlling things in the middle of the park because we let him go without replacing him, and no Loftus-Cheek on the left because instead we have nice tippy-tappy Meyer, who is clearly very talented but hardly fits Roy's style. The man did a fantastic job last season and hasn't been backed. I'm not saying he couldn't be doing better, but I think it's a horrible shame that he was given these resources at the start of the season. Parish taking a good manager for granted. Edited by Bangell (05 Dec 2018 11.43am)
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Oxford 05 Dec 18 11.42am

Originally posted by MonsterMunch

What if there is no solution with the tools available? Every team needs a striker - even when we had Cameron Jerome, we at least had someone who could play the position. Ayew has shown he's not up to it. Sorloth is a disgrace. Wickham and Benteke are injured and the latter is a shell of a man anyway.

We're playing with 6 midfielders because we have to, and that with no Cabaye controlling things in the middle of the park because we let him go without replacing him, and no Loftus-Cheek on the left because instead we have nice tippy-tappy Meyer, who is clearly very talented but hardly fits Roy's style.

The man did a fantastic job last season and hasn't been backed. I'm not saying he couldn't be doing better, but I think it's a horrible shame that he was given these resources at the start of the season. Parish taking a good manager for granted.

Edited by Bangell (05 Dec 2018 11.43am)

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Goal Machine The Cronx 05 Dec 18 11.56am
Originally posted by MonsterMunch Exactly. Brighton have been saying, before last night that they have been playing poorly but getting results. I know what position I would rather be in. We shouldnt be kidding ourselves our stats of games won and goals scored is abysmal. Of course we all want points on the board and ultimately its points that count. Professional sport is decided on fine margins and luck usually evens itself out over a course of a season. My Brighton fan colleague tells me they are playing poorly but getting results, that won't last. Nor will it last that we play well and keep losing. We have enough about us, even without a striker, to stay away from the relegation zone. Last night was poor, I get that. A lot of knee jerk reactions on here. The stick Roy is getting isn't justified.
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The Cronx 05 Dec 18 11.56am

Originally posted by MonsterMunch

Exactly. Brighton have been saying, before last night that they have been playing poorly but getting results. I know what position I would rather be in. We shouldnt be kidding ourselves our stats of games won and goals scored is abysmal.

Of course we all want points on the board and ultimately its points that count. Professional sport is decided on fine margins and luck usually evens itself out over a course of a season.

My Brighton fan colleague tells me they are playing poorly but getting results, that won't last. Nor will it last that we play well and keep losing. We have enough about us, even without a striker, to stay away from the relegation zone.

Last night was poor, I get that. A lot of knee jerk reactions on here. The stick Roy is getting isn't justified.

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MonsterMunch Cambridge 05 Dec 18 11.59am
There has to be a solution. Otherwise you look elsewhere. Unfortunately thats the name of the game. I have hope in Benteke. He owes us.
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Cambridge 05 Dec 18 11.59am

There has to be a solution. Otherwise you look elsewhere. Unfortunately thats the name of the game. I have hope in Benteke. He owes us.

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PatrickA London 05 Dec 18 12.16pm
It is not a knee jerk reaction to last night. Did people not see the Newcastle, Southampton and Wolves games? Under Hodgson, - we never look a threat from set pieces - we always look vulnerable to set pieces - we continually play Mcarthur,Meyer,Townsend, Zaha and to a degree Ayew in incorrect positions Continuing this way ( three wins in 15 games and second worst goalscoring record in the division) does anyone seriously think we’ll score enough goals or win enough games to stay up? Something has to change , whether it’s the manager, players or our approach to the game. Some people are pinning their hopes on Wickham (out for 2 years) and Benteke ( ineffective for 18 months). This smacks of hope triumphing over experience.
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London 05 Dec 18 12.16pm

It is not a knee jerk reaction to last night.
Did people not see the Newcastle, Southampton and Wolves games?
Under Hodgson,
- we never look a threat from set pieces
- we always look vulnerable to set pieces
- we continually play Mcarthur,Meyer,Townsend, Zaha and to a degree Ayew in incorrect positions
Continuing this way ( three wins in 15 games and second worst goalscoring record in the division) does anyone seriously think we’ll score enough goals or win enough games to stay up?
Something has to change , whether it’s the manager, players or our approach to the game.
Some people are pinning their hopes on Wickham (out for 2 years) and Benteke ( ineffective for 18 months).
This smacks of hope triumphing over experience.

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