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Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 20 Jul 18 12.08pm Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Originally posted by Lyons550

From what I understand he is...if not more!

Absolutely ridiculous thought.

 


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ARGILE OLD GEEZER Flag PORTIMAO 20 Jul 18 3.14pm Send a Private Message to ARGILE OLD GEEZER Add ARGILE OLD GEEZER as a friend

Originally posted by taylors lovechild

I was reviewing the other PL teams transfer activity for this summer and I didn't realise quite how huge West Ham's shopping bill is. SSN had it at around £95 million, with no player sales. Liverpool have spent over £100m but they were CL finalists; West Ham nearly got relegated. Given they spent quite a bit last summer too it does make you question the whole FFP thing (I'm sure it can be explained by someone with a better understanding). It also looks like Wolves are going to top £50m and even Cardiff are nearing £30m. It looks like this season is going to be even tougher to stay up.

WestHam got no overheads do they, only wages

 

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ARGILE OLD GEEZER Flag PORTIMAO 20 Jul 18 3.23pm Send a Private Message to ARGILE OLD GEEZER Add ARGILE OLD GEEZER as a friend

Originally posted by TheBigToePunt

What an interesting video, thanks for posting it.

All seems to add up to what a lot of us felt, and what SP has been saying: We have paid the going rate to build a genuine premier league team (as opposed to some journeymen who got lucky for a year) and as a result are having the longest day in the sun in CPFC's 113 year history. No small thing that, especially given the shocking state of the club when SP and co took it on.

To achieve this however, we have all but maxed out on wages and transfers, and now something has to give. Best routes seem to be:

1. Increase incoming revenue through commercial stuff (done, and done well according to the video).

2. Increase incoming revenue through stadium expansion (doing, and so far looking very good).

3. Sell players as well, or better, than we buy them (so far only Bolasie has gone for big bucks whilst in his prime - perhaps accept bids for Townsend or PVA, guys we'd like to keep but could improve upon or replace in-house?).

4. (And to me this is the big one) Get full value from the existing investments. Benteke, Cabeye, Sakho and Townsend are exactly the type of minimal upgrade on the promotion players that cost significantly higher wages. All have class and ability but have ranged from good to OK to disappointing in performance level in return for that massive outlay. Compare this to Zaha, Luka and even now Wan-Bissaka, who have performed excellently and fully earned their wages, including increases.

Getting performances is tricky of course, these are human beings susceptible to loss of confidence and form no matter what money they are on, but we’ve put our eggs in these baskets and have to make the best of it.

5. Have a cheaper squad. The academy is there for a reason. It’s highly unlikely that the likes of Kirby, Lokilo, Dreher or O’Dwyer would be an instant upgrade on Townsend, Kelly, Sorloth or Schlupp, but they might not be very much worse, might ultimately be as good or better, and would certainly be cheaper. Roy favours experience and seniority, but if the club deliberately leave gaps in the squad for the youngsters then he will have to work with them.

What you suggest is a recipe for disaster with all these youngsters, personally i would rather struggle in the premiership than be a big fish in the championship


Edited by TheBigToePunt (19 Jul 2018 1.20pm)

 

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Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 20 Jul 18 3.25pm Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

We wouldn’t be a big fish in the championship for long!

 


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bexleydave Flag Barnehurst 20 Jul 18 3.28pm Send a Private Message to bexleydave Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add bexleydave as a friend

Originally posted by taylors lovechild

I was reviewing the other PL teams transfer activity for this summer and I didn't realise quite how huge West Ham's shopping bill is. SSN had it at around £95 million, with no player sales. Liverpool have spent over £100m but they were CL finalists; West Ham nearly got relegated. Given they spent quite a bit last summer too it does make you question the whole FFP thing (I'm sure it can be explained by someone with a better understanding). It also looks like Wolves are going to top £50m and even Cardiff are nearing £30m. It looks like this season is going to be even tougher to stay up.

If you look at page 4 of this thread, at 10.01 am, you'll see a link to an analysis of Brighton's accounts and if you skim through you'll see how they turned a massive loss into an 'FFP friendly' one. Clearly it's easy if you know how.

 


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Midlands Eagle Flag 20 Jul 18 3.43pm Send a Private Message to Midlands Eagle Add Midlands Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by bexleydave

If you look at page 4 of this thread, at 10.01 am, you'll see a link to an analysis of Brighton's accounts and if you skim through you'll see how they turned a massive loss into an 'FFP friendly' one. Clearly it's easy if you know how.

That's an interesting site seemingly run by a clever analyst and a f***wit all rolled into one

 

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bexleydave Flag Barnehurst 20 Jul 18 3.46pm Send a Private Message to bexleydave Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add bexleydave as a friend

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

That's an interesting site seemingly run by a clever analyst and a f***wit all rolled into one


You're not wrong; clearly it is possible to be both simultaneously

 


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Lyons550 Flag Shirley 20 Jul 18 4.41pm Send a Private Message to Lyons550 Add Lyons550 as a friend

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

Absolutely ridiculous thought.

How certain are you of that; bearing in mind both Mutch and Sakho were/are on c.£55k???

 


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Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 20 Jul 18 4.54pm Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Originally posted by Lyons550

How certain are you of that; bearing in mind both Mutch and Sakho were/are on c.£55k???

Punch signed a 4 year deal in May 2015 before we signed Cabaye on £80k and Dann was the highest paid player on £65k. Dann and then Cabaye kickstarted the wage rises.

Sako was a free agent and Mutch was a relatively pricey transfer at the time. Incidentally I’m not actually sure Mutch is on that much anyway.

 


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MrCParrot Flag Taunton 20 Jul 18 5.07pm Send a Private Message to MrCParrot Add MrCParrot as a friend

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

Told by whom as I haven't seen anything in the media apart from guesswork

its on the video

 


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bexleydave Flag Barnehurst 21 Jul 18 7.18am Send a Private Message to bexleydave Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add bexleydave as a friend

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

That's an interesting site seemingly run by a clever analyst and a f***wit all rolled into one


He's now having a stir about where the £100m investment for the new stand is in our accounts:

[Link]

Perhaps his time would be better spent asking where Bloom's "billions" are, because you won't find them in any available accounts that connect to The Lizard.

 


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Midlands Eagle Flag 21 Jul 18 7.49am Send a Private Message to Midlands Eagle Add Midlands Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by bexleydave


He's now having a stir about where the £100m investment for the new stand is in our accounts:


As I have already mentioned the bloke is obviously a f***wit. Why would any shareholder inject tens of millions of pounds into a company just for it to sit on deposit earning tuppence ha'penny a year in interest.

If the directors say that the funds are ringfenced then they probably are but away from the prying eyes of El f***wit

 

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