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PalazioVecchio Flag south pole 08 Jul 18 7.37pm Send a Private Message to PalazioVecchio Add PalazioVecchio as a friend

Originally posted by Penge Eagle

There's good nationalism (cultural affiliation and ideas) and bad nationalism (race and class). Leftists and racists focus on the latter.

I view nationalism as Mo Farah on a lap of honour waving the Union flag, while the left and far right views nationalism as a white skinhead waving the Union flag.

Did the union flag take steroids ?

 


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DanH Flag SW2 08 Jul 18 8.00pm Send a Private Message to DanH Add DanH as a friend

Originally posted by Brentmiester_General

I’ve got an inch on you.

But some of the scariest people I’ve ever met are 6 minus.

Edited by Brentmiester_General (08 Jul 2018 6.15pm)

*waves*

 

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DanH Flag SW2 12 Jul 18 9.35am Send a Private Message to DanH Add DanH as a friend

If Nationalism is what has happened to the country over the last month I'm fully on board.

That England team is representative of modern England and the England I grew up in in so so many ways.

 

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Penge Eagle Flag Beckenham 12 Jul 18 11.44am Send a Private Message to Penge Eagle Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Penge Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by DanH

If Nationalism is what has happened to the country over the last month I'm fully on board.

That England team is representative of modern England and the England I grew up in in so so many ways.

Totally agree, people from all backgrounds uniting behind one flag in a positive manner.

 

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Mstrobez Flag 12 Jul 18 11.57am Send a Private Message to Mstrobez Add Mstrobez as a friend

There is a textbook definition of nationalism which is the following -

"an extreme form of patriotism marked by a feeling of superiority over other countries"

So the "moderate" nationalists either aren't nationalists at all or they're being dishonest about how moderate they really are.

Edited by Mstrobez (12 Jul 2018 11.57am)

 


We're the Arthur over ere!

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DanH Flag SW2 12 Jul 18 12.04pm Send a Private Message to DanH Add DanH as a friend

Originally posted by Penge Eagle

Totally agree, people from all backgrounds uniting behind one flag in a positive manner.

100%. Now come here and give me a hug.

 

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Penge Eagle Flag Beckenham 12 Jul 18 12.08pm Send a Private Message to Penge Eagle Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Penge Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by DanH

100%. Now come here and give me a hug.

Erm...

 

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Penge Eagle Flag Beckenham 12 Jul 18 12.14pm Send a Private Message to Penge Eagle Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Penge Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Mstrobez

There is a textbook definition of nationalism which is the following -

"an extreme form of patriotism marked by a feeling of superiority over other countries"

So the "moderate" nationalists either aren't nationalists at all or they're being dishonest about how moderate they really are.

Edited by Mstrobez (12 Jul 2018 11.57am)

The "feeling of superiority" is that we have the best football songs, we have the most loyal following at away games and huge turnouts in places at places like BoxPark, and an incredibly diverse bunch of England fans where MILLIONS get along and are united. It should be celebrated.

Edited by Penge Eagle (12 Jul 2018 12.15pm)

 

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Mstrobez Flag 12 Jul 18 2.59pm Send a Private Message to Mstrobez Add Mstrobez as a friend

Originally posted by Penge Eagle

The "feeling of superiority" is that we have the best football songs, we have the most loyal following at away games and huge turnouts in places at places like BoxPark, and an incredibly diverse bunch of England fans where MILLIONS get along and are united. It should be celebrated.

Edited by Penge Eagle (12 Jul 2018 12.15pm)

But half of those statements are based on opinions. So the benchmark of superiority is by default not based on anything other than people thinking they’re inherently better than other people, just because they say so.

I’m sure plenty of nations had terrific turnouts to watch games. I’m sure plenty of nations would feel their songs are better. So that is still an implication of being superior on the basis of nationality alone.

 


We're the Arthur over ere!

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Penge Eagle Flag Beckenham 12 Jul 18 3.26pm Send a Private Message to Penge Eagle Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Penge Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Mstrobez

But half of those statements are based on opinions. So the benchmark of superiority is by default not based on anything other than people thinking they’re inherently better than other people, just because they say so.

I’m sure plenty of nations had terrific turnouts to watch games. I’m sure plenty of nations would feel their songs are better. So that is still an implication of being superior on the basis of nationality alone.

And I respect that other nations might think they are superior and have good arguments to believe that also.

Plus, feeling superior is not a bad thing, unless you do bad actions off the back of it.

Edited by Penge Eagle (12 Jul 2018 3.34pm)

 

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steeleye20 Flag Croydon 12 Jul 18 3.36pm Send a Private Message to steeleye20 Add steeleye20 as a friend

Originally posted by Penge Eagle

And I respect that other nations might think they are superior and have good arguments to believe that also.

Well they don't do that, it is us the UK.

If the UK wants to commit suicide that's for the UK but you can't any longer pretend we are superior to anyone else.

Not that we ever were.

 

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Penge Eagle Flag Beckenham 12 Jul 18 3.46pm Send a Private Message to Penge Eagle Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Penge Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by steeleye20

Well they don't do that, it is us the UK.

If the UK wants to commit suicide that's for the UK but you can't any longer pretend we are superior to anyone else.

Not that we ever were.

You've not understood my argument and just blurted out your own prejudices.

 

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