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Brentmiester_General  Front line in the battle against t... 15 Jun 18 10.23pm |
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Originally posted by cryrst
Ahhh See the link I posted a few posts up.
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 Stirlingsays 15 Jun 18 10.33pm |
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Originally posted by acolcpfc
So do you think there is a naturalist explanation to the universe then? As the laws of nature did not exist prior to the Big Bang as that is when they came into being. Anything that caused the universe therefore is supernatural That is speculation. If we just focus upon what we can be quite certain of from what we know at the moment...then that's where we currently are...It will almost certainly change as we discover more.....but it's still just best guess speculation. There are many different explanations. There is no way of knowing if any of them are true. To quote, Newton....one of the finest minds known subject to an education, 'I was like a boy playing on the sea-shore, and diverting myself now and then finding a smoother pebble or a prettier shell than ordinary, whilst the great ocean of truth lay all undiscovered before me'
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 Hrolf The Ganger 15 Jun 18 10.33pm |
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Originally posted by acolcpfc
So do you think there is a naturalist explanation to the universe then? As the laws of nature did not exist prior to the Big Bang as that is when they came into being. Anything that caused the universe therefore is supernatural No one has enough information to even make an informed guess. I do find it amusing that people who believe in Biblical stories suddenly get all scientific when it suits them.
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cryrst  The garden of England 16 Jun 18 7.06am |
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Wow religion does give us really deep thoughts even if we do or don't really do it.
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sprites  Auckland 18 Jun 18 1.38am |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
No one has enough information to even make an informed guess. I do find it amusing that people who believe in Biblical stories suddenly get all scientific when it suits them. Once again, I'll correct you. You are not certain of anything. You have opinions and beliefs. God bless. Matt
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| Hrolf The Ganger 18 Jun 18 10.24am |
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Originally posted by sprites
Once again, I'll correct you. You are not certain of anything. You have opinions and beliefs. God bless. Matt No. I'm certain. Religious belief is so daft that it is not even worth discussing. If it were not categorised as 'religion' it would be considered a mental illness.
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| Brentmiester_General Front line in the battle against t... 18 Jun 18 10.46am |
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Originally posted by sprites
Once again, I'll correct you. You are not certain of anything. You have opinions and beliefs. God bless. Matt Think we’ve got a God botherer in the ranks.
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| 20 Spaces Isnt Enoug Bolton 18 Jun 18 10.57am |
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Originally posted by Brentmiester_General
Think we’ve got a God botherer in the ranks. What's wrong with that? The book that always gives me inspiration is 'Mere Christianity' by C.S.Lewis only about 170 pages...worth a read, whatever your disposition.
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Park Road  18 Jun 18 2.26pm |
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[quote=sprites;334420 God bless. Matt God is no more than a terrorist, that is why his followers are said to be 'god fearing'. His followers must surely be evil at heart because they believe that we all (including themselves) would be incapable of being good, moral people unless we learn to 'fear' this tyrant and do his bidding, like Abraham who was terrorized to the brink of killing his own innocent son for fear of god's wrath. How cruel and sadistic was that? OK so god let him off at the last minute, but if a human being did what god was supposed to have done in the Abraham story he or she would end up in prison, or maybe a psychiatric hospital. What is it in the human psyche that facilitates such a mass delusion and failure of objectivity? Maybe the desire to a happy afterlife is so overwhelming that we (well the religious 'believers' at any rate') turn a blind eye to god's overwhelming propensity for evil.
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| Stirlingsays 18 Jun 18 4.28pm |
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Originally posted by sprites
Once again, I'll correct you. You are not certain of anything. You have opinions and beliefs. God bless. Matt Mmmm....with respect though it's not equitable. His opinion is based upon the available evidence from scientific discoveries and yours is based upon believing a book written over two thousand years ago by people you don't know with information you can't test. Edited by Stirlingsays (18 Jun 2018 4.29pm)
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| Hrolf The Ganger 18 Jun 18 6.04pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Mmmm....with respect though it's not equitable. His opinion is based upon the available evidence from scientific discoveries and yours is based upon believing a book written over two thousand years ago by people you don't know with information you can't test. Edited by Stirlingsays (18 Jun 2018 4.29pm) Even if there were any semblance of reality behind Biblical stories, it would still have nothing to do with religion. It would be the same as if we worshipped or built a tradition around science, accepting the obvious difference between modern science and 2000 year old books written by people with an agenda.
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| cryrst The garden of England 18 Jun 18 6.35pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Even if there were any semblance of reality behind Biblical stories, it would still have nothing to do with religion. It would be the same as if we worshipped or built a tradition around science, accepting the obvious difference between modern science and 2000 year old books written by people with an agenda. Very True about a 2k year book but even some science of today might be total b######s.
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