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Stirlingsays 24 May 18 2.32pm
Originally posted by aquickgame2 Oh come on Becks...your a pensioner,you paid in all your working life but not enough...now pay more you cheeky scoundrel,these youngsters are not happy,that you are or will be a burden. You know my view on this...fck em ! Well, perhaps if the state does decide to change these dynamics I'll find cause to have more sympathy with people like Becky than with those with your attitude here. Edited by Stirlingsays (24 May 2018 2.32pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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24 May 18 2.32pm

Originally posted by aquickgame2

Oh come on Becks...your a pensioner,you paid in all your working life but not enough...now pay more you cheeky scoundrel,these youngsters are not happy,that you are or will be a burden. You know my view on this...fck em !

Well, perhaps if the state does decide to change these dynamics I'll find cause to have more sympathy with people like Becky than with those with your attitude here.

Edited by Stirlingsays (24 May 2018 2.32pm)

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topcat Holmesdale / Surbiton 24 May 18 2.33pm
Originally posted by Lyons550 Sadly that's an incredibly simplistic view..the system needs to be reformed at the same time...cutting much of the waste, resulting in a potential net increase in tax of 1p in the pound. That money should also be ringfenced for certain things, such as nurses and preventative care...not just for consultants; agency staff; over inflated drug prices and another layer of middle management. I can only talk about the areas of the NHS that my wife has worked in but there are very few layers of middle management, possibly not enough middle managers as leaving the doctors and nurses to do management tasks that they (often) are not trained to do and shouldn't be doing as it takes them away from more important roles. Agency staff are very expensive but are necessary as it is often so difficult to employ people in the NHS. Whoever though that nursing should be a degree course was bonkers. It's 106 miles to Chicago, we got a full tank of gas, half a pack of cigarettes, it's dark... and we're wearing sunglasses.
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Holmesdale / Surbiton 24 May 18 2.33pm

Originally posted by Lyons550

Sadly that's an incredibly simplistic view..the system needs to be reformed at the same time...cutting much of the waste, resulting in a potential net increase in tax of 1p in the pound. That money should also be ringfenced for certain things, such as nurses and preventative care...not just for consultants; agency staff; over inflated drug prices and another layer of middle management.

I can only talk about the areas of the NHS that my wife has worked in but there are very few layers of middle management, possibly not enough middle managers as leaving the doctors and nurses to do management tasks that they (often) are not trained to do and shouldn't be doing as it takes them away from more important roles.

Agency staff are very expensive but are necessary as it is often so difficult to employ people in the NHS. Whoever though that nursing should be a degree course was bonkers.

It's 106 miles to Chicago, we got a full tank of gas, half a pack of cigarettes, it's dark... and we're wearing sunglasses.

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Midlands Eagle 24 May 18 2.38pm
Originally posted by topcat Agency staff are very expensive but are necessary as it is often so difficult to employ people in the NHS. Whoever though that nursing should be a degree course was bonkers. I believe that it was the Royal College of Nursing who wanted to make entrance to the profession more difficult resulting in hundreds of people who had the right aptitude to be a nurse missing out whilst those people that were good at passing exams but weren't that interested in looking after sick people getting through the door.
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Originally posted by topcat

Agency staff are very expensive but are necessary as it is often so difficult to employ people in the NHS. Whoever though that nursing should be a degree course was bonkers.

I believe that it was the Royal College of Nursing who wanted to make entrance to the profession more difficult resulting in hundreds of people who had the right aptitude to be a nurse missing out whilst those people that were good at passing exams but weren't that interested in looking after sick people getting through the door.

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Stirlingsays 24 May 18 2.46pm
Originally posted by Midlands Eagle I believe that it was the Royal College of Nursing who wanted to make entrance to the profession more difficult resulting in hundreds of people who had the right aptitude to be a nurse missing out whilst those people that were good at passing exams but weren't that interested in looking after sick people getting through the door. A very pertinent and valid point. I simply couldn't believe it when they did this.....elitist and bonkers. Taking a profession that traditionally helped social mobility for the bright working class girl at A level and instantly made it a huge financial risk. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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24 May 18 2.46pm

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

I believe that it was the Royal College of Nursing who wanted to make entrance to the profession more difficult resulting in hundreds of people who had the right aptitude to be a nurse missing out whilst those people that were good at passing exams but weren't that interested in looking after sick people getting through the door.

A very pertinent and valid point. I simply couldn't believe it when they did this.....elitist and bonkers.

Taking a profession that traditionally helped social mobility for the bright working class girl at A level and instantly made it a huge financial risk.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Midlands Eagle 24 May 18 2.52pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays A very pertinent and valid point. I simply couldn't believe it when they did this.....elitist and bonkers. Taking a profession that traditionally helped social mobility for the bright working class girl at A level and instantly made it a huge financial risk. To make it worse when my wife qualified about 15 years ago she received a bursary during her three year course without which we couldn't have afforded for her to just stop working but this has since been scrapped and anyone wishing to become a nurse nowadays has to fund it themselves
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24 May 18 2.52pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

A very pertinent and valid point. I simply couldn't believe it when they did this.....elitist and bonkers.

Taking a profession that traditionally helped social mobility for the bright working class girl at A level and instantly made it a huge financial risk.

To make it worse when my wife qualified about 15 years ago she received a bursary during her three year course without which we couldn't have afforded for her to just stop working but this has since been scrapped and anyone wishing to become a nurse nowadays has to fund it themselves

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aquickgame2 Beni = summer,Caribbean = winter 24 May 18 2.54pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Well, perhaps if the state does decide to change these dynamics I'll find cause to have more sympathy with people like Becky than with those with your attitude here. Edited by Stirlingsays (24 May 2018 2.32pm) Dont need or want your sympathy...I paid in... I now take out,milk it for what its worth,as much as I can get. And I couldn't give a shyte what anybody thinks.
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Beni = summer,Caribbean = winter 24 May 18 2.54pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Well, perhaps if the state does decide to change these dynamics I'll find cause to have more sympathy with people like Becky than with those with your attitude here.

Edited by Stirlingsays (24 May 2018 2.32pm)

Dont need or want your sympathy...I paid in... I now take out,milk it for what its worth,as much as I can get.
And I couldn't give a shyte what anybody thinks.

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Stirlingsays 24 May 18 2.55pm
Originally posted by Midlands Eagle To make it worse when my wife qualified about 15 years ago she received a bursary during her three year course without which we couldn't have afforded for her to just stop working but this has since been scrapped and anyone wishing to become a nurse nowadays has to fund it themselves It's the very opposite of what should be happening. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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24 May 18 2.55pm

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

It's the very opposite of what should be happening.

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Stirlingsays 24 May 18 3.02pm
Originally posted by aquickgame2 Dont need or want your sympathy...I paid in... I now take out,milk it for what its worth,as much as I can get. And I couldn't give a shyte what anybody thinks. Those who fully pay into the system usually use all those contributions up within ten years. So, this sense of entitlement is misplaced. However, of course I do fully support our pension system and I'm proud of the fact that it's one of the best in the world. Though perhaps if we could cut off people with your attitude we'd feel better about it. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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24 May 18 3.02pm

Originally posted by aquickgame2

Dont need or want your sympathy...I paid in... I now take out,milk it for what its worth,as much as I can get.
And I couldn't give a shyte what anybody thinks.

Those who fully pay into the system usually use all those contributions up within ten years.

So, this sense of entitlement is misplaced. However, of course I do fully support our pension system and I'm proud of the fact that it's one of the best in the world.

Though perhaps if we could cut off people with your attitude we'd feel better about it.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Lyons550 Shirley 24 May 18 3.04pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Better still....lets go full 'Logan's Run'! Ah...those memories of a young Jenny Agutter. Oh hang on...I'm 48...perhaps not. As a spritely (soon to be) 48yr old myself I barely remember Logans Run...didnt it have that robot that kept going "diggy diggy"?? The Voice of Reason In An Otherwise Mediocre World
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Shirley 24 May 18 3.04pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Better still....lets go full 'Logan's Run'!

Ah...those memories of a young Jenny Agutter.

Oh hang on...I'm 48...perhaps not.

As a spritely (soon to be) 48yr old myself I barely remember Logans Run...didnt it have that robot that kept going "diggy diggy"??

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aquickgame2 Beni = summer,Caribbean = winter 24 May 18 3.16pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Those who fully pay into the system usually use all those contributions up within ten years. So, this sense of entitlement is misplaced. However, of course I do fully support our pension system and I'm proud of the fact that it's one of the best in the world. Though perhaps if we could cut off people with your attitude we'd feel better about it. Never mind you will get over it.
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Beni = summer,Caribbean = winter 24 May 18 3.16pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Those who fully pay into the system usually use all those contributions up within ten years.

So, this sense of entitlement is misplaced. However, of course I do fully support our pension system and I'm proud of the fact that it's one of the best in the world.

Though perhaps if we could cut off people with your attitude we'd feel better about it.

Never mind you will get over it.

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Stuk Top half 24 May 18 3.26pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Those who fully pay into the system usually use all those contributions up within ten years. So, this sense of entitlement is misplaced. However, of course I do fully support our pension system and I'm proud of the fact that it's one of the best in the world. Though perhaps if we could cut off people with your attitude we'd feel better about it. Not likely if you retire before state pension age. Optimistic as ever
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Top half 24 May 18 3.26pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Those who fully pay into the system usually use all those contributions up within ten years.

So, this sense of entitlement is misplaced. However, of course I do fully support our pension system and I'm proud of the fact that it's one of the best in the world.

Though perhaps if we could cut off people with your attitude we'd feel better about it.

Not likely if you retire before state pension age.

Optimistic as ever

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Stirlingsays 24 May 18 3.52pm
Originally posted by aquickgame2 Never mind you will get over it. True. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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24 May 18 3.52pm

Originally posted by aquickgame2

Never mind you will get over it.

True.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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