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 Stuk  Top half 22 May 18 2.02pm |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
Only on FOBT’s you can ruin financially yourself in 1 session whereas with tobacco, sugar and booze you can’t. Even those who think they’re in control can waste huge amounts that start the loss chasing mentality. The point was them banning things for everyone because some people can't control themselves. Not that people haven't died from a single alcohol binge in the past mind you.
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| Stuk Top half 22 May 18 2.10pm |
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Originally posted by Moose
Suggest you drop in on a GA or GamAnon meeting. You'll be amazed at how desperate those at their lowest ebb are to better themselves. And you'll be inspired by those who have conquered their addiction. Regulation does not cure addiction, addicts cure themselves with help. But prevention is better than cure, isn't it? I repeat, what good are these machines except to prey on the vulnerable for profit? They're not preying on the vulnerable though are they? They would have to go there physically with the money to play them. It's not like the drug dealer who lets them have it on tick when they haven't actually got the readies. The machines, and their owners, couldn't give a monkeys who is sticking the cash into it and whether they're rich or poor or in between. It's not like it's only the problem/addictive gamblers are the ones playing these is it? Like I said all this will do is move it online, where they really will be preyed upon with countless offers of "free this" or "discounted that" via email, text message, IM etc.
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 22 May 18 2.11pm |
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Originally posted by Stuk
The point was them banning things for everyone because some people can't control themselves. Not that people haven't died from a single alcohol binge in the past mind you. Because removing those FOBT machines are going to deny so much enjoyment and satisfaction from many hey. Not many die from high alcohol consumption on their first few sessions. Youngsters have and it’s illegal but everyone else compared to financial damage so early on? The social impact of these are not worth the tax revenue and if they reform and legislate other gambling they’ll get the tax revenue elsewhere.
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 22 May 18 2.14pm |
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Originally posted by Stuk
They're not preying on the vulnerable though are they? They would have to go there physically with the money to play them. It's not like the drug dealer who lets them have it on tick when they haven't actually got the readies. The machines, and their owners, couldn't give a monkeys who is sticking the cash into it and whether they're rich or poor or in between. It's not like it's only the problem/addictive gamblers are the ones playing these is it? Like I said all this will do is move it online, where they really will be preyed upon with countless offers of "free this" or "discounted that" via email, text message, IM etc. There you have it. Like I said, removing these won’t damage the well being and morale of the so called ‘responsible gambler’ who is destined to lose money on these 85% ish return to player machines when live blackjack is 99% and roulette is close to that too.
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| Stuk Top half 22 May 18 2.15pm |
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Originally posted by Pussay Patrol
Bit like saying why should the speed limit be 30 miles an hour just because there's some idiots on the road? Speed limits are in fact fairly pointless. Most people do ignore them and simply drive at a speed they feel is suitable for the road,, weather, traffic conditions, their ability etc.
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| Stuk Top half 22 May 18 2.18pm |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
Because removing those FOBT machines are going to deny so much enjoyment and satisfaction from many hey. Not many die from high alcohol consumption on their first few sessions. Youngsters have and it’s illegal but everyone else compared to financial damage so early on? The social impact of these are not worth the tax revenue and if they reform and legislate other gambling they’ll get the tax revenue elsewhere. That's not the point. They do, and it's not just underage or first time drinkers. That's exactly the same argument as I've used for the addictive gamblers, they will simply get it elsewhere.
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| Stuk Top half 22 May 18 2.22pm |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
There you have it. Like I said, removing these won’t damage the well being and morale of the so called ‘responsible gambler’ who is destined to lose money on these 85% ish return to player machines when live blackjack is 99% and roulette is close to that too. So you agree that they aren't just targeting addictive gamblers then. But they will cause jobs to be lost and more empty commercial units, which has been my point since day dot.
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 22 May 18 2.43pm |
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Originally posted by Stuk
That's not the point. They do, and it's not just underage or first time drinkers. That's exactly the same argument as I've used for the addictive gamblers, they will simply get it elsewhere. Not all of them will gamble elsewhere.
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 22 May 18 2.45pm |
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Originally posted by Stuk
So you agree that they aren't just targeting addictive gamblers then. But they will cause jobs to be lost and more empty commercial units, which has been my point since day dot. Aww, all shed tears for those surplus bookies opened to house 4 FOBT’s that can financially ruin people. They’ll find retail employment elsewhere. Even employees of bookies around before these machines are for the legislation.
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Pussay Patrol  22 May 18 2.46pm |
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Originally posted by Stuk
That's not the point. They do, and it's not just underage or first time drinkers. That's exactly the same argument as I've used for the addictive gamblers, they will simply get it elsewhere. Thats a bit like saying if people didn't go out to the pub on the weekend, getting drunk and causing trouble they would do the same at home? Not quite. Gambling in the same way online is not the same thing in the same way having a drink at the pub is the same as having a drink at home. The idea that you can walk into a betting shop with a few quid and walk out with several times that in a matter of minutes is the pull and is not replicated on a computer at home. If the bookies thought all their customers would simply go online rather than go to their shops, they would close all their shops in a heartbeat, why on earth would they continue to pay for premises, staff overheads, taxes when they can run the online site at a fraction of the cost?
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| Stuk Top half 22 May 18 3.21pm |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
Not all of them will gamble elsewhere. And not all of the tax revenue lost will be made up elsewhere. It'll move offshore.
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| Stuk Top half 22 May 18 3.27pm |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
Aww, all shed tears for those surplus bookies opened to house 4 FOBT’s that can financially ruin people. They’ll find retail employment elsewhere. Even employees of bookies around before these machines are for the legislation. Who's feeling sorry for the bookies? I've not mentioned their losses once. They sympathy will be with the employees who will lose their jobs as a result of this. To them it's their job, not a job off of the back of how many FOBTs there could be, or used to be, in a shop. And you can be damn sure that some of those employee around before the machines will lose their jobs too, and they won't be for the legislation then.
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