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 npn  Crowborough 23 Apr 18 4.37pm |
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Originally posted by spartakev2
As much as I love wilf, the problem is that almost every time he gets tackled and ends up on the floor, even if it's not a foul, he sits there waving his arms about claiming he wad fouled. The example on saturday, when the general sense of opinion seems to be that he stumbled for the first penalty claim, he still appealed for the penalty, despite (apparently) telling the defender after the game that it wasn't a penalty. He then spends half the game arguing with opponents. Yes, I know He gets fouled a hell of a lot and gets targeted. But he's our match winner, so he's going to. I just wish sometimes he'd just get up and get on with the game. Edited by spartakev2 (23 Apr 2018 3.36pm) I accept that he appeals for penalties he thinks are probably not, but if you're going top criticise people for asking the question, you need to criticise players for putting their arm up for a corner when they know full well the ball has come off them last. The first wasn't a penalty, but wasn't a dive either - he stayed up at 45 degrees for about 5 paces after the challenge, before gravity finally got the better of him. I'm still not 100% the other was a penalty, but also not a dive.
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| Eaglecoops CR3 23 Apr 18 5.34pm |
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Just a thought on Wilf's challenge on the keeper. Why did no-one just say like they used to, "brave goalkeeping"? Years ago a goalkeeper who came out with his arms at someones feet knew he was going to get clattered in a 50/50 but they did it anyway. The comment then was brave goalkeeping and not, "savage attack by outfield player, send him off". The game has gone soft, Wilf had every right to try and get a toe on that and personally I thought the keeper did well.
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| Numbers Man Tulse Hill 23 Apr 18 5.44pm |
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I agree Kevine Kilbane’s comments were an absolute disgrace. Wilf’s trickery in the penalty box will always mean he will lose more than his share of marginal decisions. Watford are a very physical team and he will always receive, unfairly, pretty rough treatment. I seem to remember that Mariappa gave penalties away when he played for us.
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tshepp897  Dublin - Cabra 23 Apr 18 6.24pm |
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Originally posted by Midlands Eagle
Unfortunately not everyone sees Wilf in the same light as diehard Palace fans do and I don't really see anything wrong with Kilbane's comments as they were his honestly held views. He was a pundit on national television and was asked a specific question so how can his comments be deemed "unnecessary" when all he did was answer the question and when all is said and done were his comments biased or is it your own view that's biased I think it is true that we are all one-eyed a little on here. But when KK used the argument about falling into the penalty (while running towards it and being fouled just outside it) as example that Wilf was looking for penalties, he really showed his agenda - that is just pure idiocy and he is not an idiot.
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| SwordFish Peasmarsh,East Sussex 23 Apr 18 8.37pm |
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In the words of @HLTCO he is a complete #w***puffin
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| Dangermouse Hastings 23 Apr 18 8.53pm |
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Biggest worry for me nowadays and none of these "experts" seem to have a problem with it is the targeting of the oppos star player and the orchestrated appealing. Players like Wilf, are continually fouled by many different players and every time they go down at least 5 of 6 players surround the situation screaming dive. Every time Wilf went down the cheerleading squad sprang into action. Doucoure ran 30 yards to push Wilf. Really, he had that good a view or was he just following orders to get the player booked/sent off? Wilf has admitted that one thing that really annoys him is players fouling him, then trying to pull him up to his feet while screaming at him that he dived. The only time they went off script was when he was tripped just outside the box, then the cheerleading squad all ran up demanding, not that he dived, but that it was outside the area. It's the default setting for defenders nowadays it seems.
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chateauferret  23 Apr 18 9.10pm |
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Originally posted by Dangermouse
Biggest worry for me nowadays and none of these "experts" seem to have a problem with it is the targeting of the oppos star player and the orchestrated appealing. Players like Wilf, are continually fouled by many different players and every time they go down at least 5 of 6 players surround the situation screaming dive. Every time Wilf went down the cheerleading squad sprang into action. Doucoure ran 30 yards to push Wilf. Really, he had that good a view or was he just following orders to get the player booked/sent off? Wilf has admitted that one thing that really annoys him is players fouling him, then trying to pull him up to his feet while screaming at him that he dived. The only time they went off script was when he was tripped just outside the box, then the cheerleading squad all ran up demanding, not that he dived, but that it was outside the area. It's the default setting for defenders nowadays it seems. Wise words. However you forget to mention that many defenders especially at shall we say "certain" clubs also go into each game aiming to maim, cripple and disable forwards like Wilf (or anyone else who's better than them) and are allowed by the refs to get away with it time and time again. Look at Bakary Sako. Or for that matter the disgusting assault committed by Grujic last season on Tomkins. Just two examples of many. And again Wilf, again and again and again. Edited by chateauferret (23 Apr 2018 9.11pm)
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| Mstrobez 23 Apr 18 9.26pm |
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Originally posted by npn
I accept that he appeals for penalties he thinks are probably not, but if you're going top criticise people for asking the question, you need to criticise players for putting their arm up for a corner when they know full well the ball has come off them last. The first wasn't a penalty, but wasn't a dive either - he stayed up at 45 degrees for about 5 paces after the challenge, before gravity finally got the better of him. I'm still not 100% the other was a penalty, but also not a dive. Come on, seriously?
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| Dangermouse Hastings 23 Apr 18 10.06pm |
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Originally posted by chateauferret
Wise words. However you forget to mention that many defenders especially at shall we say "certain" clubs also go into each game aiming to maim, cripple and disable forwards like Wilf (or anyone else who's better than them) and are allowed by the refs to get away with it time and time again. Look at Bakary Sako. Or for that matter the disgusting assault committed by Grujic last season on Tomkins. Just two examples of many. And again Wilf, again and again and again. Edited by chateauferret (23 Apr 2018 9.11pm) Agree. It really goes without saying that Watford were determined to get Wilf sent or carried off on Saturday. Brighton tried it, Huddersfield succeeded twice and Bournemouth always try it. It's time to clamp down on ALL cheating or just let them get on with it and as painful as it can be, you just have to take the rough with the smooth decisions wise.
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| spartakev2 Anerley 23 Apr 18 10.24pm |
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Originally posted by Dangermouse
Agree. It really goes without saying that Watford were determined to get Wilf sent or carried off on Saturday. Brighton tried it, Huddersfield succeeded twice and Bournemouth always try it. It's time to clamp down on ALL cheating or just let them get on with it and as painful as it can be, you just have to take the rough with the smooth decisions wise. Or maybe we need to get a bit nastier. Not saying deliberately hurt people. But i do feel we are a bit 'nice' and need to get a bit more streetwise sometimes.
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| essetwentyone london 23 Apr 18 11.00pm |
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I’m fed up with this idea that the first one wasn’t a pen - just stumbling . Kami in GOS showed clearly a shirt pull. Anywhere else on the pitch it would be a foul - stumble or no. Why is there a difference between in and out of the penalty area? It was a shirt pull - therefore a foul - therefore a pen . End of !
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| Midlands Eagle 24 Apr 18 5.07am |
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Originally posted by spartakev2
maybe we need to get a bit nastier. Not saying deliberately hurt people. But i do feel we are a bit 'nice' and need to get a bit more streetwise sometimes. It wasn't that long ago that someone was quoted as saying that "you don't play Palace and expect to be able to kiss your girlfriend that night"
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