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Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 01 Apr 18 12.01pm Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by chris123

I have no reason to doubt your stats - the problem is 97% aren't game changers - it's the critical ones that the error rate has been so prevalent. Yesterday being yet another example.

For days and perhaps weeks after a controversial decision, everyone across football has their say. Was it or wasn't it? Should it have been or should it not have been? Despite the replay angles using 'Slow-Mo' and numerous views of this footage often these discussions do not result in agreement.

With just seconds to react and all manner of tricks being played on officials by players, a 98% success rate is hugely impressive at a time where refereeing in the PL has got harder - they make 70% more sprints now than they did a few seasons back.

 

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Gary St.Andrews Flag Kenley 01 Apr 18 12.09pm Send a Private Message to Gary St.Andrews Add Gary St.Andrews as a friend

Originally posted by Willo

For days and perhaps weeks after a controversial decision, everyone across football has their say. Was it or wasn't it? Should it have been or should it not have been? Despite the replay angles using 'Slow-Mo' and numerous views of this footage often these discussions do not result in agreement.

With just seconds to react and all manner of tricks being played on officials by players, a 98% success rate is hugely impressive at a time where refereeing in the PL has got harder - they make 70% more sprints now than they did a few seasons back.


Mane was flat on the floor, with the ref in a good position, he was already on a yellow, Cabeye would have been through. There was no tricks or skullduggery, it was a crap decision end of...

 

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Dangermouse Flag Hastings 01 Apr 18 12.12pm Send a Private Message to Dangermouse Add Dangermouse as a friend

Originally posted by grumpymort

Regarding our Penalty in some ways you can say we was lucky because Wilfs foot was way too high so ref would of stopped the game for that.

At the end of the day we threw away another game it was nothing to do with the ref and had Mane been sent off whos to say we would of gone on to win anyway the past has shown we don't do well against 10 men

It had plenty to do with the ref. Who's to say we wouldn't have gone on to win 4-1? We might have drawn. If Benteke had put us 2-1 up we might have won, drawn or lost. No one has a crystal ball, but a referee refusing to enforce the laws of the game definitely had a major effect on that game.
As for Wilf's foot it was back down when he was obliterated by the keeper, so he has no charge to answer. The keeper on the other hand could easily be called reckless and he definitely endangered a player. Could easily have been a red.

Edited by Dangermouse (01 Apr 2018 12.21pm)

 


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Dangermouse Flag Hastings 01 Apr 18 12.19pm Send a Private Message to Dangermouse Add Dangermouse as a friend

Originally posted by Willo

As I mentioned before (And quoted the law), a deliberate handball is not a mandatory caution.All depends on the circumstances.

Not seen the TV footage but in Mane's case, to my humble self it didn't look as though he handled the ball to prevent our team getting possession he handled because he thought Liverpool were getting a free kick.But he will know the reason and all of us can only speculate.And we can only speculate as to what Swarbrick was thinking.

Why he handled it deliberately is totally irrelevant. He handled it deliberately and as no foul had been given to him it robbed us of having Cabaye and Andros 2 on 1 with van Dyke in the area. It couldn't be any clearer that it was a cautionable offence. Whether he thought he should get a free kick is irrelevant.
Let's hope next week at Bournemouth Tomkins feels a push in his back and falls down grabbing the ball in our penalty area. The ref will clearly let us off because Tomkins thought he should have had a foul. Do you see how bloody ridiculous that sounds?

 


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Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 01 Apr 18 12.21pm Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by Dangermouse

It had plenty to do with the ref. Who's to say we wouldn't have gone on to win 4-1? We might have drawn. If Benteke had put us 2-1 up we might have won, drawn or list. No one has a crystal ball, but a referee refusing to enforce the laws of the game definitely had a major effect on that game.
As for Wilf's foot it was back down when he was obliterated by the keeper, so he has no charge to answer. The keeper on the other hand could easily be called reckless and he definitely endangered a player. Could easily have been a red.

How can one say that if they had been down to 10 men this would have had a major effect on the game? Over the years I have seen teams go down to 10 men and the other side have struggled to break them down.

At the end of the day we lost because of Benteke's pathetic efforts in front of goal and Sakho's inept defending.We saw with our eyes the contribution of Benteke and Sakho - what would have happened if Mane had been sent off his hypothetical and speculative.

 

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Dangermouse Flag Hastings 01 Apr 18 12.25pm Send a Private Message to Dangermouse Add Dangermouse as a friend

Originally posted by Willo

How can one say that if they had been down to 10 men this would have had a major effect on the game? Over the years I have seen teams go down to 10 men and the other side have struggled to break them down.

At the end of the day we lost because of Benteke's pathetic efforts in front of goal and Sakho's inept defending.We saw with our eyes the contribution of Benteke and Sakho - what would have happened if Mane had been sent off his hypothetical and speculative.


Talking bollocks as usual. Let's just accept being screwed over shall we? Wonder if Swarbrick is gonna be jetting off to Dubai soon?

 


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Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 01 Apr 18 12.28pm Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by Dangermouse

Why he handled it deliberately is totally irrelevant. He handled it deliberately and as no foul had been given to him it robbed us of having Cabaye and Andros 2 on 1 with van Dyke in the area. It couldn't be any clearer that it was a cautionable offence. Whether he thought he should get a free kick is irrelevant.
Let's hope next week at Bournemouth Tomkins feels a push in his back and falls down grabbing the ball in our penalty area. The ref will clearly let us off because Tomkins thought he should have had a foul. Do you see how bloody ridiculous that sounds?

I don't think the scenario I highlighted is that ridiculous. In any event, since my post you highlighted I have seen footage on 'Goals on Sunday and mentioned that it appeared that Mane tried to prevent Cabaye getting on the ball and bursting through, something I never saw at the game.

I understand Dermot Gallagher speculated that Swarbrick might have lost some focus in that instant and clearly the decision not to award a second yellow will form part of the post-match analysis of the referee.We can only speculate as to his thinking.

 

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Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 01 Apr 18 12.30pm Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by Dangermouse


Talking bollocks as usual. Let's just accept being screwed over shall we? Wonder if Swarbrick is gonna be jetting off to Dubai soon?

You are of course entitled to your opinion about the views I have expressed.

The rest of your post is not worth commenting on.

 

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Originally posted by Willo

For days and perhaps weeks after a controversial decision, everyone across football has their say. Was it or wasn't it? Should it have been or should it not have been? Despite the replay angles using 'Slow-Mo' and numerous views of this footage often these discussions do not result in agreement.

With just seconds to react and all manner of tricks being played on officials by players, a 98% success rate is hugely impressive at a time where refereeing in the PL has got harder - they make 70% more sprints now than they did a few seasons back.


Well done Willo, it appears that you and swarbrick are the only ones who thought no 2nd yellow was the correct decision.....all the pundits and ex refs on TV say it was a second yellow, yet you still defend the very blatant cheating Swarbrick to the end, well done, congratulations!!

 

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Dangermouse Flag Hastings 01 Apr 18 12.36pm Send a Private Message to Dangermouse Add Dangermouse as a friend

Originally posted by Willo

I don't think the scenario I highlighted is that ridiculous. In any event, since my post you highlighted I have seen footage on 'Goals on Sunday and mentioned that it appeared that Mane tried to prevent Cabaye getting on the ball and bursting through, something I never saw at the game.

I understand Dermot Gallagher speculated that Swarbrick might have lost some focus in that instant and clearly the decision not to award a second yellow will form part of the post-match analysis of the referee.We can only speculate as to his thinking.

I speculate he cheated.
I speculate his Asian bookmaker paymasters are ecstatic he did his job properly.

 


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Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 01 Apr 18 12.42pm Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by the silurian


Well done Willo, it appears that you and swarbrick are the only ones who thought no 2nd yellow was the correct decision.....all the pundits and ex refs on TV say it was a second yellow, yet you still defend the very blatant cheating Swarbrick to the end, well done, congratulations!!

I totally refute the allegation that Swarbrick cheated in not awarding a second yellow card.I will certainly defend Swarbrick against this charge.One can only speculate as to his thinking but it was certainly not influenced by any so called "Big club bias" or external influences and all that hogwash.

He will have to explain his decision as part of his post-match analysis.

Edited by Willo (01 Apr 2018 12.43pm)

 

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Dangermouse Flag Hastings 01 Apr 18 12.44pm Send a Private Message to Dangermouse Add Dangermouse as a friend

Originally posted by Willo

I totally refute the allegation that Swarbrick cheated in not awarding a second yellow card.I will certainly defend Swarbrick against this charge.One can only speculate as to his thinking but it was certainly not influenced by any so called "Big club bias" and all that hogwash.

He will have to explain his decision as part of his post-match analysis.

Oh goody. When he explains it and they decide he's done wrong do we get awarded the three points?

 


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