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chris123 hove actually 27 Mar 18 2.15pm | |
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Originally posted by Midlands Eagle
After the solidarity shown by so many countries in expelling Russian spies from their country I had to laugh at New Zealand's response that they would expel Russian spies in principle but they couldn't find any They should expel a virtual spy then - a cyber spook.
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steeleye20 Croydon 27 Mar 18 4.34pm | |
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I wonder what happens to all these diplomatic people returned to their own countries. For the UK ones it couldn't be worse, a brexit re-education centre the minimum, no more vodka or Russian girls. For Australian returning diplomats new assignments in cheating in international sport with compulsory ball-tampering re-education. For US diplomats probably not 're-hired' especially if near pension age, or quite likely they bring your car to the door or car-park attendants. What happens to the Russian ones? Put their feet up and watch the football, quickly forgotten about but still getting paid, they find you though don't they. If I was a returning spy I would try for a job with a UK domestic bank, as that's what they do these days.
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steeleye20 Croydon 03 Apr 18 9.03pm | |
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British scientists at the Porton Down defence research laboratory have not established that the nerve agent used to poison Sergei and Yulia Skripal was made in Russia, it has emerged. What's up Putin right after all?
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Badger11 Beckenham 03 Apr 18 9.10pm | |
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Not quite what they said. Porton Down's chief executive Gary Aitkenhead dismissed Russian claims it might have come from the UK military laboratory. "We have not identified the precise source, but we have provided the scientific info to [the] government who have then used a number of other sources to piece together the conclusions," Mr Aitkenhead said. "It is our job to provide the scientific evidence of what this particular nerve agent is - we identified that it is from this particular family and that it is a military grade, but it is not our job to say where it was manufactured."
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steeleye20 Croydon 03 Apr 18 9.21pm | |
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Originally posted by Badger11
Not quite what they said. Porton Down's chief executive Gary Aitkenhead dismissed Russian claims it might have come from the UK military laboratory. "We have not identified the precise source, but we have provided the scientific info to [the] government who have then used a number of other sources to piece together the conclusions," Mr Aitkenhead said. "It is our job to provide the scientific evidence of what this particular nerve agent is - we identified that it is from this particular family and that it is a military grade, but it is not our job to say where it was manufactured." But the West has decided that Russia are guilty. So they must show it emanated from Russia for that to be true.
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.TUX. 03 Apr 18 9.30pm | |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
But the West has decided that Russia are guilty. So they must show it emanated from Russia for that to be true. The west always needs an enemy. Edited by .TUX. (03 Apr 2018 9.31pm)
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serial thriller The Promised Land 04 Apr 18 12.20am | |
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BoJo of course, being the prankster that he is, had previously told the media that the chemists had told him it was Russian for deffo. As if a chemical weapon in this age could ever not be sold on the black market to any nation, despot or criminal who may be interested. Im sure the front pages tomorrow will be full of apologies for calling Corbyn a traitor after he dared wait for scientific clarification before marching on the war charge. Or who knows? Perhaps a gentle probing in to the question of whether having a foreign secretary who quite blatantly lies to the public is necessarily on the best man for fronting the Brexit negotiations, among other things....?
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Stirlingsays 04 Apr 18 6.03am | |
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Anyone who seriously doubts that Russia isn't responsible for this is one sandwich short of a picnic. Of course, those who tend to believe in conspiracies will do what they always do. I can think of only one reason that could possibly benefit another agency for doing this and it's highly unlikely. Edited by Stirlingsays (04 Apr 2018 6.06am)
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.TUX. 04 Apr 18 6.29am | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Anyone who seriously doubts that Russia isn't responsible for this is one sandwich short of a picnic. Of course, those who tend to believe in conspiracies will do what they always do. I can think of only one reason that could possibly benefit another agency for doing this and it's highly unlikely. Edited by Stirlingsays (04 Apr 2018 6.06am) Tease.
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Stirlingsays 04 Apr 18 7.38am | |
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Originally posted by .TUX.
Tease. It's well suspected that Russian embassies are conduits for effective and disruptive intelligence work in western countries. The murder of a former agent...or in this case currently 'attempted' and then blaming it on Russia would be a good excuse for disrupting these networks by then expelling its facilitators. It isn't likely.....Amber Rudd isn't M and the principle of Occam's razor is far more sensible. Another country doing the murder wouldn't really make much sense as only the US and the UK expelled significant numbers. Especially when seen in the light of how Putin's Russia operates. The track record of what happens to those that cross the Russia state isn't hard to observe for those willing to observe it.
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chris123 hove actually 04 Apr 18 7.45am | |
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Someone said to look at the message - and that the message in this case was that Russia has something the West thought it did not. I believe Syria was also part of the story.
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steeleye20 Croydon 04 Apr 18 9.42am | |
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So Jeremy Corbyn's request for a measured, evidence-based response was in fact exactly what was needed...
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