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CambridgeEagle Sydenham 27 Feb 18 11.45am | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
I have been aware of farming practices for a long time. I wish I shared your optimism. The bloke in the Whitehouse is far more interested in keeping lobbyists onside than any matter of public health, be that guns, climate change, food standards or pharmacology.
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CambridgeEagle Sydenham 27 Feb 18 11.58am | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
It is in fact the exact opposite. You're implying people necessarily eat meat and so increasing populations must mean increasing demand. I agree that is part of the answer, however if society promoted eating meat for every meal less than it does then that link would be far less of a factor. Furthermore demand increased massively in excess of any population impact as meat became more intensively farmed and cheaper. Meat used to be a Sunday afternoon treat if that. That would be a much more desirable situation than the current one. On questionable farming practices, of course farmers will want to reduce costs, that's totally understandable, and reducing standards is an easy way to do that. The point is that we elect people to put laws and regulations in place to prevent such hollowing out of standards and corner cutting. It's a failure of government to allow that to happen. The FSA and local authorities (who are responsible for auditing food standards) have had their budgets slashed to such an extent that they have been forced to abandon significant amounts of their work to ensure food, especially meat, meets the required standards. This is allowing companies to get away with non-compliance on a vast scale. So not only are the standards already poor, but they are no longer being effectively enforced. The poorest in society have little choice but to accept eating this kind of food. Yet more evidence that austerity is destroying the very fabric of society and hitting the poorest hardest. Furthermore, there are justifiable concerns that this government plans to go even further and strike trade deals which would necessitate allowing meat to be imported that has been farmed with lower standards than would currently be acceptable and given the way the industry works it would be difficult for consumers to know they were being fed it when they go out to eat.
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Hrolf The Ganger 27 Feb 18 1.10pm | |
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Originally posted by CambridgeEagle
You're implying people necessarily eat meat and so increasing populations must mean increasing demand. I agree that is part of the answer, however if society promoted eating meat for every meal less than it does then that link would be far less of a factor. Furthermore demand increased massively in excess of any population impact as meat became more intensively farmed and cheaper. Meat used to be a Sunday afternoon treat if that. That would be a much more desirable situation than the current one. On questionable farming practices, of course farmers will want to reduce costs, that's totally understandable, and reducing standards is an easy way to do that. The point is that we elect people to put laws and regulations in place to prevent such hollowing out of standards and corner cutting. It's a failure of government to allow that to happen. The FSA and local authorities (who are responsible for auditing food standards) have had their budgets slashed to such an extent that they have been forced to abandon significant amounts of their work to ensure food, especially meat, meets the required standards. This is allowing companies to get away with non-compliance on a vast scale. So not only are the standards already poor, but they are no longer being effectively enforced. The poorest in society have little choice but to accept eating this kind of food. Yet more evidence that austerity is destroying the very fabric of society and hitting the poorest hardest. Furthermore, there are justifiable concerns that this government plans to go even further and strike trade deals which would necessitate allowing meat to be imported that has been farmed with lower standards than would currently be acceptable and given the way the industry works it would be difficult for consumers to know they were being fed it when they go out to eat.
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Stuk Top half 27 Feb 18 4.30pm | |
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Originally posted by sitdownstandup
I merely pointed out that many of the world's most intelligent people were vegetarians. There are intelligent meat eaters in terms of IQ but if you can see that your diet is the leading cause of the destruction of the planet, leads to health problems and causes unnecessary cruelty to animals then its difficult for any person to justify continue eating that diet with logical arguments. You're not one of them. The leading cause of the destruction of the planet is too many humans and them living for too long. All of your information is subjective, or for a better word biased.
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cryrst The garden of England 27 Feb 18 7.15pm | |
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Originally posted by Stuk
You're not one of them. The leading cause of the destruction of the planet is too many humans and them living for too long. All of your information is subjective, or for a better word biased. Definitely correct
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steeleye20 Croydon 28 Feb 18 8.59am | |
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Originally posted by cryrst
Definitely correct What battle are you fighting. What we eat is a personal choice.
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Lyons550 Shirley 28 Feb 18 9.32am | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
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europalace Europe 28 Feb 18 1.15pm | |
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Originally posted by Lyons550
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CambridgeEagle Sydenham 28 Feb 18 2.05pm | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
I agree with you. I think the problem is with education and social conditioning and inequality which drives demand for poor quality cheap meat. Farmers should not be allowed to cut standards and local authorities should be provided with the means to ensure food safety, however this has been slashed to the bone by austerity. If farmers can't make a profit on meat then they will have to change what they produce. If we can move people's eating habits away from meat there will be more demand for other goods, but less overall demand on the soil and food production which will massively help the environment. You can then over time put that land to more efficient uses and/or production of renewable energy. In terms of trade deals it's fairly clear from US trade deals that have been negotiated elsewhere that access to food markets would be an important part of any deal for the US. It is speculation but it's not baseless nor unreasonable to be concerned about it.
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Hrolf The Ganger 28 Feb 18 2.22pm | |
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Originally posted by CambridgeEagle
I agree with you. I think the problem is with education and social conditioning and inequality which drives demand for poor quality cheap meat. Farmers should not be allowed to cut standards and local authorities should be provided with the means to ensure food safety, however this has been slashed to the bone by austerity. If farmers can't make a profit on meat then they will have to change what they produce. If we can move people's eating habits away from meat there will be more demand for other goods, but less overall demand on the soil and food production which will massively help the environment. You can then over time put that land to more efficient uses and/or production of renewable energy. In terms of trade deals it's fairly clear from US trade deals that have been negotiated elsewhere that access to food markets would be an important part of any deal for the US. It is speculation but it's not baseless nor unreasonable to be concerned about it. Education about nutrition has to be a good thing broadly speaking but not all information is unbiased. Nor is it exact, proven science. Also, the old adage is that a little information can be dangerous and that certainly applies to nutrition in my opinion. People tend to absorb the information that suits their mindset.
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CambridgeEagle Sydenham 01 Mar 18 9.32am | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Education about nutrition has to be a good thing broadly speaking but not all information is unbiased. Nor is it exact, proven science. Also, the old adage is that a little information can be dangerous and that certainly applies to nutrition in my opinion. People tend to absorb the information that suits their mindset. The point is inequality and austerity impact on almost everything in society. Recent studies have shown life expectancy has decreased in the UK, and austerity is the major factor in that decrease. That's shocking. In terms of evidence, according to Cancer Research UK, if no one ate processed or red meat in Britain, there would be 8,800 fewer cases of cancer. (That is four times the number of people killed annually on Britain’s roads.)
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Hrolf The Ganger 01 Mar 18 9.41am | |
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Originally posted by CambridgeEagle
The point is inequality and austerity impact on almost everything in society. Recent studies have shown life expectancy has decreased in the UK, and austerity is the major factor in that decrease. That's shocking. In terms of evidence, according to Cancer Research UK, if no one ate processed or red meat in Britain, there would be 8,800 fewer cases of cancer. (That is four times the number of people killed annually on Britain’s roads.)
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