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Hrolf The Ganger 10 Nov 17 12.50pm
Originally posted by jamiemartin721 I like the idea, but it seems rather unlikely, that there is an entire thread of alternative universes based on when I had a w*, or made a cup of tea at a different time. Because that's a lot of alternative dimensions just based on when I have a w* or not. Yeah, it all seems a bit unnecessary. It's a bit narrow to think of it in terms of human decisions as well.
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721

I like the idea, but it seems rather unlikely, that there is an entire thread of alternative universes based on when I had a w***, or made a cup of tea at a different time.

Because that's a lot of alternative dimensions just based on when I have a w*** or not.

Yeah, it all seems a bit unnecessary. It's a bit narrow to think of it in terms of human decisions as well.

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Hrolf The Ganger 10 Nov 17 1.01pm
Originally posted by hedgehog50 We were just as stupid back then allowing such people in country. Same with letting the parasitical Marx squat in London preaching mayhem. Then we did the same with mass murder Ho Chi Minh. We never learn. Jack the Ripper was 1880s. (My ancestors lived in Hanbury Street, Whitechapel for a while, where one of the Ripper victims was found. But they had left by the 1880s for the golden pastures of Croydon.) Edited by hedgehog50 (10 Nov 2017 12.55pm) There's good circumstantial evidence that Charles Letchmere was 'Jack'. Any relation? Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (10 Nov 2017 1.02pm)
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10 Nov 17 1.01pm

Originally posted by hedgehog50

We were just as stupid back then allowing such people in country. Same with letting the parasitical Marx squat in London preaching mayhem. Then we did the same with mass murder Ho Chi Minh. We never learn.
Jack the Ripper was 1880s. (My ancestors lived in Hanbury Street, Whitechapel for a while, where one of the Ripper victims was found. But they had left by the 1880s for the golden pastures of Croydon.)

Edited by hedgehog50 (10 Nov 2017 12.55pm)

There's good circumstantial evidence that Charles Letchmere was 'Jack'.
Any relation?

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (10 Nov 2017 1.02pm)

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Hrolf The Ganger 10 Nov 17 1.19pm
Originally posted by jamiemartin721 I think WWI was always coming - the age of empires was dying out, new powers arising, and it created a powder keg of tensions and politics, that effectively were ignited by one guy being shot! I think you can change some of the patterns and some of the factors, but at some point it was clear that there was always going to be another war - akin to the Napoleonic conflicts. The difference is between then, and 1914, the advance in technology and industry of war was incredible. Fortunately, The Bomb has kept tribalism and expansionism at bay for our lifetimes. I suppose we can't ask for much more. There will be an 'endgame' sooner or later I'm sure when human society reaches crisis point.
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10 Nov 17 1.19pm

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

I think WWI was always coming - the age of empires was dying out, new powers arising, and it created a powder keg of tensions and politics, that effectively were ignited by one guy being shot!

I think you can change some of the patterns and some of the factors, but at some point it was clear that there was always going to be another war - akin to the Napoleonic conflicts.

The difference is between then, and 1914, the advance in technology and industry of war was incredible.

Fortunately, The Bomb has kept tribalism and expansionism at bay for our lifetimes. I suppose we can't ask for much more. There will be an 'endgame' sooner or later I'm sure when human society reaches crisis point.

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hedgehog50 Croydon 10 Nov 17 1.44pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger There's good circumstantial evidence that Charles Letchmere was 'Jack'. Any relation? Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (10 Nov 2017 1.02pm) No Letchmeres in my family tree! We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]
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Croydon 10 Nov 17 1.44pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

There's good circumstantial evidence that Charles Letchmere was 'Jack'.
Any relation?

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (10 Nov 2017 1.02pm)

No Letchmeres in my family tree!

We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

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legaleagle 10 Nov 17 1.49pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger There's good circumstantial evidence that Charles Letchmere was 'Jack'. Any relation? Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (10 Nov 2017 1.02pm) I tend towards the James Maybrick theory
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10 Nov 17 1.49pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

There's good circumstantial evidence that Charles Letchmere was 'Jack'.
Any relation?

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (10 Nov 2017 1.02pm)

I tend towards the James Maybrick theory

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Hrolf The Ganger 10 Nov 17 2.13pm
Originally posted by legaleagle I tend towards the James Maybrick theory He died in 1889 which would explain why the murders stopped and then there are the diary and the watch. Lechmere was discovered at the scene of one of the murders by a policeman while the kill was fresh. He worked as a meat carter and some of the murders were on his route to work and happened around the time the would have been passing, according to research.
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10 Nov 17 2.13pm

Originally posted by legaleagle

I tend towards the James Maybrick theory

He died in 1889 which would explain why the murders stopped and then there are the diary and the watch.

Lechmere was discovered at the scene of one of the murders by a policeman while the kill was fresh. He worked as a meat carter and some of the murders were on his route to work and happened around the time the would have been passing, according to research.

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Lyons550 Shirley 10 Nov 17 2.24pm
Originally posted by Kermit8 I get that but they do successfully operate a policy of equality which the islanders themselves give the thumbs up too still 200 years down the line. And when you say the islands themselves aren't '"successful" what parameters are you using? Where is the failure? The native bunch I saw on BBC this morning seemed very positive in general about the place. I wonder how many are below the IMF definition of the Poverty Line? The Voice of Reason In An Otherwise Mediocre World
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Shirley 10 Nov 17 2.24pm

Originally posted by Kermit8

I get that but they do successfully operate a policy of equality which the islanders themselves give the thumbs up too still 200 years down the line. And when you say the islands themselves aren't '"successful" what parameters are you using? Where is the failure? The native bunch I saw on BBC this morning seemed very positive in general about the place.

I wonder how many are below the IMF definition of the Poverty Line?

The Voice of Reason In An Otherwise Mediocre World

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Stirlingsays 10 Nov 17 2.25pm
Originally posted by legaleagle I tend towards the James Maybrick theory I think the diary is forged. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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Stirlingsays

10 Nov 17 2.25pm

Originally posted by legaleagle

I tend towards the James Maybrick theory

I think the diary is forged.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Stirlingsays 10 Nov 17 3.03pm
For me it's between Aaron Kosminsky and Charles Cross. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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10 Nov 17 3.03pm

For me it's between Aaron Kosminsky and Charles Cross.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Hrolf The Ganger 10 Nov 17 3.30pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays For me it's between Aaron Kosminsky and Charles Cross. Cross was Lechmere. He used the name Cross. Neither the watch or diary have been confirmed as forgeries as far as I know. There was a recent documentary on History channel where the American, HH Holmes was investigated as a Ripper candidate. His known story is way more interesting than 'Jack'. It was a bit daft but I confess that I kept watching because it had a very hot ex FBI lady in it. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (10 Nov 2017 3.33pm)
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10 Nov 17 3.30pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

For me it's between Aaron Kosminsky and Charles Cross.

Cross was Lechmere. He used the name Cross.

Neither the watch or diary have been confirmed as forgeries as far as I know.

There was a recent documentary on History channel where the American, HH Holmes was investigated as a Ripper candidate. His known story is way more interesting than 'Jack'. It was a bit daft but I confess that I kept watching because it had a very hot ex FBI lady in it.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (10 Nov 2017 3.33pm)

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jamiemartin721 Reading 10 Nov 17 3.33pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger Fortunately, The Bomb has kept tribalism and expansionism at bay for our lifetimes. I suppose we can't ask for much more. There will be an 'endgame' sooner or later I'm sure when human society reaches crisis point. I think the bomb changed everything. The cold war was definitely, in my book WWIII, except that instead of being fought directly between the national superpowers of the time (as WWI and WWII), they were fought through proxies across the world. But a metric s**t ton of people died in those wars, conflicts, Coups, revolutions, bush fire wars and regimes of convenience. Its just they weren't the history makers (Vietnam and Afghanistan aside). But in the far east, the middle east, south American and Africa, the Sino-Soviet and the Western Capitalist proxies were directly fighting one another (usually with backing of one side or the other). The bomb just meant that it didn't spill over (and maybe the Cuban missile crisis kind of set the rules for that). "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Reading 10 Nov 17 3.33pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

I think the bomb changed everything. The cold war was definitely, in my book WWIII, except that instead of being fought directly between the national superpowers of the time (as WWI and WWII), they were fought through proxies across the world.

But a metric s**t ton of people died in those wars, conflicts, Coups, revolutions, bush fire wars and regimes of convenience. Its just they weren't the history makers (Vietnam and Afghanistan aside).

But in the far east, the middle east, south American and Africa, the Sino-Soviet and the Western Capitalist proxies were directly fighting one another (usually with backing of one side or the other).

The bomb just meant that it didn't spill over (and maybe the Cuban missile crisis kind of set the rules for that).

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
[Link]

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Hrolf The Ganger 10 Nov 17 3.35pm
Originally posted by jamiemartin721 I think the bomb changed everything. The cold war was definitely, in my book WWIII, except that instead of being fought directly between the national superpowers of the time (as WWI and WWII), they were fought through proxies across the world. But a metric s**t ton of people died in those wars, conflicts, Coups, revolutions, bush fire wars and regimes of convenience. Its just they weren't the history makers (Vietnam and Afghanistan aside). But in the far east, the middle east, south American and Africa, the Sino-Soviet and the Western Capitalist proxies were directly fighting one another (usually with backing of one side or the other). The bomb just meant that it didn't spill over (and maybe the Cuban missile crisis kind of set the rules for that). Sums it up. Proxy war was and is the name of the game.
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10 Nov 17 3.35pm

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

But a metric s**t ton of people died in those wars, conflicts, Coups, revolutions, bush fire wars and regimes of convenience. Its just they weren't the history makers (Vietnam and Afghanistan aside).

But in the far east, the middle east, south American and Africa, the Sino-Soviet and the Western Capitalist proxies were directly fighting one another (usually with backing of one side or the other).

The bomb just meant that it didn't spill over (and maybe the Cuban missile crisis kind of set the rules for that).

Sums it up. Proxy war was and is the name of the game.

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