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Ray in Houston Flag Houston 01 Nov 17 8.17pm Send a Private Message to Ray in Houston Add Ray in Houston as a friend

Originally posted by .TUX.

With all due respect, this has very little/nothing to do with any given govt but everything to do with Central Banking policy.
Another reason why being given 'a vote' is nothing more than a token gesture if truth be told.


With all due respect, you should read it again.

 


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hedgehog50 Flag Croydon 01 Nov 17 8.19pm

Originally posted by legaleagle

Snot?!

Edited by legaleagle (01 Nov 2017 7.40pm)

S'not

 


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hedgehog50 Flag Croydon 01 Nov 17 8.22pm

Originally posted by Ray in Houston

Ditto.

My parents were both conservative (small "c" and thus Tory voters. I was too, as that's what I grew up hearing. My parents were the generation in their respective families who moved from being lower class to middle class although, looking back, my old man owning a shop - but not the building it was in - and working 6 1/2 days a week hardly seems a step up from working class.

In the mid-80s, when Thatcher's (and Lawson's) fiscal policy caused inflation to spiral upwards, their solution was to jack up interest rates to kill inflation. It worked, but only because anyone with a credit card, mortgage, small business loan or...importantly for my Mum and Dad...all three, got slaughtered. Inflation cooled because everyone was giving their hard earned money to the banks and had nothing left to spend on anything else.

My parents had to sell their house and move in above the shop, and had to make that work for a lot longer than expected because all their retirement plans were torpedoed. They lived out a shorter-than-planned retirement (because they worked longer than planned) in less comfortable circumstances on limited funds until they both passed. Not destitute, but they never travelled like they'd planned, just hung out with their friends at the Conservative Club.

Watching how the choice of government could completely decimate the finances of real people made me realise that I needed to pay attention to politics. Paying attention to politics made me realise how full of s*** it all is, but that the Tories (and now Republicans) are more full of s*** than most and have no intention of serving the people beyond the absolute bare minimum that is required to get elected.

Once I moved to the U.S., even though I was a converted Tory into - probably a new Labour sort of centrist - I became a librul, commie, socialist, facist; so far to the right are politics skewed over here.

When the Republicans and New Labour convinced the world that we needed to invade Iraq, I realised that they can do worse things to families than hijack their savings.


Edited by Ray in Houston (01 Nov 2017 7.33pm)

You seriously think your parents would have ended up better off under Michael Foot!

 


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Stirlingsays Flag 01 Nov 17 8.28pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by hedgehog50

You seriously think your parents would have ended up better off under Michael Foot!

That's what I was thinking.

Thatcher was a response to the mess we were in.

 


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.TUX. Flag 01 Nov 17 8.30pm

Originally posted by Ray in Houston


With all due respect, you should read it again.

Nope.
Maybe you should.

 


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Slimey Toad Flag Karsiyaka, North Cyprus 01 Nov 17 8.37pm Send a Private Message to Slimey Toad Add Slimey Toad as a friend

Originally posted by hedgehog50

A hero of the left at the time - especially Noam Chomsky.

Wasn't Pol Pot more or less eased into power by Richard Nixon?

 

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JRW2 Flag Dulwich 01 Nov 17 8.37pm Send a Private Message to JRW2 Add JRW2 as a friend

Originally posted by Ray in Houston


Ditto.

My parents were both conservative (small "c" and thus Tory voters. I was too, as that's what I grew up hearing. My parents were the generation in their respective families who moved from being lower class to middle class although, looking back, my old man owning a shop - but not the building it was in - and working 6 1/2 days a week hardly seems a step up from working class.

In the mid-80s, when Thatcher's (and Lawson's) fiscal policy caused inflation to spiral upwards, their solution was to jack up interest rates to kill inflation. It worked, but only because anyone with a credit card, mortgage, small business loan or...importantly for my Mum and Dad...all three, got slaughtered. Inflation cooled because everyone was giving their hard earned money to the banks and had nothing left to spend on anything else.

My parents had to sell their house and move in above the shop, and had to make that work for a lot longer than expected because all their retirement plans were torpedoed. They lived out a shorter-than-planned retirement (because they worked longer than planned) in less comfortable circumstances on limited funds until they both passed. Not destitute, but they never travelled like they'd planned, just hung out with their friends at the Conservative Club.

Watching how the choice of government could completely decimate the finances of real people made me realise that I needed to pay attention to politics. Paying attention to politics made me realise how full of s*** it all is, but that the Tories (and now Republicans) are more full of s*** than most and have no intention of serving the people beyond the absolute bare minimum that is required to get elected.

Once I moved to the U.S., even though I was a converted Tory into - probably a new Labour sort of centrist - I became a librul, commie, socialist, facist; so far to the right are politics skewed over here.

When the Republicans and New Labour convinced the world that we needed to invade Iraq, I realised that they can do worse things to families than hijack their savings.


Edited by Ray in Houston (01 Nov 2017 7.33pm)

I suggest that you revisit the statistics. During the five years of Wilson's Labour government (1974-79) inflation averaged around 15.5%. During the period 1983-87 (what you refer to as the mid-80s) inflation under the Conservatives averaged around 4.5%. So much for inflation spiralling upwards under Thatcher and Lawson.

 

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.TUX. Flag 01 Nov 17 9.11pm

Originally posted by JRW2

I suggest that you revisit the statistics. During the five years of Wilson's Labour government (1974-79) inflation averaged around 15.5%. During the period 1983-87 (what you refer to as the mid-80s) inflation under the Conservatives averaged around 4.5%. So much for inflation spiralling upwards under Thatcher and Lawson.


1971.........Nixon 'suspended' (cough) Bretton Woods. By FAR the biggest financial error that affects each and every one of us today. This led to the unprecedented printing of money (from thin-air) which equally led to uncontrolled inflation.
The tiny problem of a GLOBAL ENERGY CRISIS also happened to rear it's ugly head.

The problem with people such as yourself is that you yourself DON'T DO THE NECESSARY HOMEWORK.
Learn to. It'll stop you looking like a moron.

 


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Joe Bloggs Flag Nr Norwich 01 Nov 17 10.20pm Send a Private Message to Joe Bloggs Add Joe Bloggs as a friend

Originally posted by JRW2

I suggest that you revisit the statistics. During the five years of Wilson's Labour government (1974-79) inflation averaged around 15.5%. During the period 1983-87 (what you refer to as the mid-80s) inflation under the Conservatives averaged around 4.5%. So much for inflation spiralling upwards under Thatcher and Lawson.

I recall a period of conservative government early nineties when interest rates were 15% and nobody could afford to borrow money.

Which is why the Blair government made the decision to remove the setting of interest rates from politicians to the Bank of England.

 

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tome Flag Inner Tantalus Time. 01 Nov 17 10.59pm Send a Private Message to tome Add tome as a friend

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

On occasion I've thought that we could elect MPs in the same manner that we select juries (i.e. random members of the public), they would present policies etc in the way MPs do now.

Then everyone in the UK would, using Information Technology, vote on those presented proposals.

Granted it seems absurd at first, but the more I think about it, the more democratic I think it is. That we the people, become responsible for running our country and voting on proposals.

I had a variant to this, as it seemed the whip and the requirement for funding created distorted incentives for MPs as both members of parliament and political parties. The interests of the country might come in a distant third. See Brexit for example.

My thought was they all have to run as independents, with a subsequent presidential style election, then the cabinet formed from those in the chamber and collective votes according to national interest rather than party politics.

Lots of flaws with it but one of the primary issues I'd have with yours is whether the body of knowledge to make decisions can be best synthesised by people at random.

My preference would be to have a greater electoral focus on values and desired outcomes, and then have the technocrats figure out how to do it.

 


A one and a two...

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JRW2 Flag Dulwich 02 Nov 17 5.15pm Send a Private Message to JRW2 Add JRW2 as a friend

Originally posted by .TUX.


1971.........Nixon 'suspended' (cough) Bretton Woods. By FAR the biggest financial error that affects each and every one of us today. This led to the unprecedented printing of money (from thin-air) which equally led to uncontrolled inflation.
The tiny problem of a GLOBAL ENERGY CRISIS also happened to rear it's ugly head.

The problem with people such as yourself is that you yourself DON'T DO THE NECESSARY HOMEWORK.
Learn to. It'll stop you looking like a moron.

Dear me, it never ceases to surprise me how bad tempered and rude some (not all) people become when someone says something they disagree with or disapprove of. Ray in Houston said that inflation spiralled up during the mid-eighties. I just pointed out that that's untrue. But if I upset you by saying so, I apologise.

 

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pefwin Flag Where you have to have an English ... 02 Nov 17 6.31pm

Where does your politics come from?

Fortnum and Mason on along with the Cristal.

 


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"When the going gets tough, the tough call for close air support."

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