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Stirlingsays 01 Nov 17 3.16pm
Originally posted by nickgusset We'll be alright. We've got the FLA now. Shouldn't you be looking for links demonising Maajid Nawaz? 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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Stirlingsays

01 Nov 17 3.16pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

We'll be alright. We've got the FLA now.

Shouldn't you be looking for links demonising Maajid Nawaz?

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Rudi Hedman Caterham 01 Nov 17 3.26pm
Originally posted by DanH It was a joke, mate. I've no doubt it was but aren't you in favour of open borders and open arms? COYP
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Caterham 01 Nov 17 3.26pm

Originally posted by DanH

It was a joke, mate.

I've no doubt it was but aren't you in favour of open borders and open arms?

COYP

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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 01 Nov 17 3.31pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Shouldn't you be looking for links demonising Maajid Nawaz? Oh no! It's part of the baying mob.
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Shizzlehurst 01 Nov 17 3.31pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Shouldn't you be looking for links demonising Maajid Nawaz?

Oh no! It's part of the baying mob.

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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 01 Nov 17 3.34pm
Originally posted by Rudi Hedman I've no doubt it was but aren't you in favour of open borders and open arms? Rudi. Name one person on here who has expressed an opinion that favours having open borders. It's been used in an accusatory way, as you have in your post, but I can't actually remember anyone saying they favour open borders. Just an observation. Edited by nickgusset (01 Nov 2017 3.34pm)
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Shizzlehurst 01 Nov 17 3.34pm

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

I've no doubt it was but aren't you in favour of open borders and open arms?

Rudi. Name one person on here who has expressed an opinion that favours having open borders.
It's been used in an accusatory way, as you have in your post, but I can't actually remember anyone saying they favour open borders.

Just an observation.

Edited by nickgusset (01 Nov 2017 3.34pm)

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jamiemartin721 Reading 01 Nov 17 3.37pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Twenty years ago, there were under one percent of Muslims living in the country. There are under one percent of Muslims living in Japan now and they have never had attacks either. Islam isn't going to disappear in the UK, that is true...it's a faith like any other. But Islam is a faith with popular doctrines that have inherent rejections of integration and westernization. They rightly know it leads to secularization. Islamic reformers have ideas on overcoming these issues. But they are demonised rather than backed. The Shia/Sunni aspect is an interesting aspect that can be explored. Edited by Stirlingsays (01 Nov 2017 3.18pm) This definitely has to occur, within Islam in the UK - the state should show preference towards progressives within Islam - and encourage the likes of Ishmali sects of Islam that entirely renounce the idea of violence in the name of Allah "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Reading 01 Nov 17 3.37pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Twenty years ago, there were under one percent of Muslims living in the country. There are under one percent of Muslims living in Japan now and they have never had attacks either.

Islam isn't going to disappear in the UK, that is true...it's a faith like any other.

But Islam is a faith with popular doctrines that have inherent rejections of integration and westernization. They rightly know it leads to secularization.

Islamic reformers have ideas on overcoming these issues. But they are demonised rather than backed.

The Shia/Sunni aspect is an interesting aspect that can be explored.

Edited by Stirlingsays (01 Nov 2017 3.18pm)

This definitely has to occur, within Islam in the UK - the state should show preference towards progressives within Islam - and encourage the likes of Ishmali sects of Islam that entirely renounce the idea of violence in the name of Allah

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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hedgehog50 Croydon 01 Nov 17 4.25pm
Originally posted by jamiemartin721 This definitely has to occur, within Islam in the UK - the state should show preference towards progressives within Islam - and encourage the likes of Ishmali sects of Islam that entirely renounce the idea of violence in the name of Allah Progressives within Islam? What those calling for same sex marriage for example - how would that work, as Muslim men can have loads of wives but Muslim women can only have one husband. Would lesbian Muslims have one female wife but homosexual Muslims each have loads of different 'husbands', with each of those also having loads of different husbands and so on? Would there be enough progressive gay Muslims to go around? Edited by hedgehog50 (01 Nov 2017 4.31pm) We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]
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Croydon 01 Nov 17 4.25pm

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

Progressives within Islam? What those calling for same sex marriage for example - how would that work, as Muslim men can have loads of wives but Muslim women can only have one husband. Would lesbian Muslims have one female wife but homosexual Muslims each have loads of different 'husbands', with each of those also having loads of different husbands and so on? Would there be enough progressive gay Muslims to go around?

Edited by hedgehog50 (01 Nov 2017 4.31pm)

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Stirlingsays 01 Nov 17 6.18pm
Originally posted by jamiemartin721 This definitely has to occur, within Islam in the UK - the state should show preference towards progressives within Islam - and encourage the likes of Ishmali sects of Islam that entirely renounce the idea of violence in the name of Allah Progressivism in the sense of progressing towards a positive outcome for all of us.....completely agree. Also, I certainly agree, there are positive movements within Islam that need to take over from other socially conservative ones. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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01 Nov 17 6.18pm

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

Progressivism in the sense of progressing towards a positive outcome for all of us.....completely agree.

Also, I certainly agree, there are positive movements within Islam that need to take over from other socially conservative ones.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Stirlingsays 01 Nov 17 6.23pm
Originally posted by hedgehog50 Progressives within Islam? What those calling for same sex marriage for example - how would that work, as Muslim men can have loads of wives but Muslim women can only have one husband. Would lesbian Muslims have one female wife but homosexual Muslims each have loads of different 'husbands', with each of those also having loads of different husbands and so on? Would there be enough progressive gay Muslims to go around? Edited by hedgehog50 (01 Nov 2017 4.31pm) They can be like the Christians and Jews and others who disagree with it but accept the principle as apart of living within a secular country that tries to represent everyone instead of just what a particular book says. The forces of moderation and compromise have to overcome the literalists and conservatives within the religion. You can't be successful as a group within a country and not properly integrate with the host culture (though I'm aware some do the double life to square the circle). 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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01 Nov 17 6.23pm

Originally posted by hedgehog50

Edited by hedgehog50 (01 Nov 2017 4.31pm)

They can be like the Christians and Jews and others who disagree with it but accept the principle as apart of living within a secular country that tries to represent everyone instead of just what a particular book says.

The forces of moderation and compromise have to overcome the literalists and conservatives within the religion.

You can't be successful as a group within a country and not properly integrate with the host culture (though I'm aware some do the double life to square the circle).

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Hrolf The Ganger 01 Nov 17 7.53pm
Originally posted by nickgusset We'll be alright. We've got the FLA now. Yeah, why don't the left condemn Islam for its appalling attitude toward women and homosexuals to name but two? Of course. It's because they are a bunch of hypocritical self serving scumbags who want them on side.
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01 Nov 17 7.53pm

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Originally posted by nickgusset

We'll be alright. We've got the FLA now.

Yeah, why don't the left condemn Islam for its appalling attitude toward women and homosexuals to name but two?

Of course. It's because they are a bunch of hypocritical self serving scumbags who want them on side.

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Penge Eagle Beckenham 01 Nov 17 8.59pm
Remember folks. The real threat is ISLAMOPHOBIA.
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Beckenham 01 Nov 17 8.59pm

Remember folks. The real threat is ISLAMOPHOBIA.

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Kermit8 Hevon 01 Nov 17 9.22pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays They can be like the Christians and Jews and others who disagree with it but accept the principle as apart of living within a secular country that tries to represent everyone instead of just what a particular book says. The forces of moderation and compromise have to overcome the literalists and conservatives within the religion. You can't be successful as a group within a country and not properly integrate with the host culture (though I'm aware some do the double life to square the circle). Hmmm.. many examples of non-integrationist colonials in far away places who did very well indeed thank you very much. Australia, for example. And plenty of very strong and successful but insular Jewish communities too across Europe before they were disappeared. You can be successful but you may be resented. Big chest and massive boobs [Link]
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Hevon 01 Nov 17 9.22pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

The forces of moderation and compromise have to overcome the literalists and conservatives within the religion.

You can't be successful as a group within a country and not properly integrate with the host culture (though I'm aware some do the double life to square the circle).

Hmmm.. many examples of non-integrationist colonials in far away places who did very well indeed thank you very much. Australia, for example. And plenty of very strong and successful but insular Jewish communities too across Europe before they were disappeared.

You can be successful but you may be resented.

Big chest and massive boobs

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hedgehog50 Croydon 01 Nov 17 9.29pm
Originally posted by Kermit8 Hmmm.. many examples of non-integrationist colonials in far away places who did very well indeed thank you very much. Australia, for example. And plenty of very strong and successful but insular Jewish communities too across Europe before they were disappeared. You can be successful but you may be resented. Colonials who didn't integrate with the native Australians! You do make I larf. We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]
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Croydon 01 Nov 17 9.29pm

Originally posted by Kermit8

You can be successful but you may be resented.

Colonials who didn't integrate with the native Australians! You do make I larf.

We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

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