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jamiemartin721 Reading 07 Sep 17 1.38pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays I don't know enough about this group to say whether this description is accurate or not. Like I say though....if someone is planning action, or in a group that plans action against the state or its citizens/subjects then their removal and detention is completely valid. What have this group actually done? How long have their existed? I don't know these things. When we start going onto the BNP and what jobs they can and can't do....It starts to ring bells.....though keeping them out of the Police makes sense. But are you essentially saying Jamie that these people can only have jobs that don't involve other people? Edited by Stirlingsays (07 Sep 2017 1.35pm) I think it has to be carefully considered whether they should have jobs within certain areas. Police, Military, Prison Service, Race Relations board - etc. I don't think it really matters if they work for Court Service (as long as they're not a judge) or as even as an administrator in the police service. Hell I'd say it would be ok for them to work as third party companies into the MOD or military - just not as servicemen. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Reading 07 Sep 17 1.38pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

I don't know enough about this group to say whether this description is accurate or not.

Like I say though....if someone is planning action, or in a group that plans action against the state or its citizens/subjects then their removal and detention is completely valid.

What have this group actually done? How long have their existed? I don't know these things.

When we start going onto the BNP and what jobs they can and can't do....It starts to ring bells.....though keeping them out of the Police makes sense.

But are you essentially saying Jamie that these people can only have jobs that don't involve other people?

Edited by Stirlingsays (07 Sep 2017 1.35pm)

I think it has to be carefully considered whether they should have jobs within certain areas. Police, Military, Prison Service, Race Relations board - etc. I don't think it really matters if they work for Court Service (as long as they're not a judge) or as even as an administrator in the police service.

Hell I'd say it would be ok for them to work as third party companies into the MOD or military - just not as servicemen.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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Stirlingsays 07 Sep 17 1.50pm
Originally posted by jamiemartin721 I think it has to be carefully considered whether they should have jobs within certain areas. Police, Military, Prison Service, Race Relations board - etc. I don't think it really matters if they work for Court Service (as long as they're not a judge) or as even as an administrator in the police service. Hell I'd say it would be ok for them to work as third party companies into the MOD or military - just not as servicemen. It sounds like you aren't leaving them much to me. Does this even work? All this does is remove the group tag. It just goes underground and becomes looser.....It's no longer debated. You want people out in the open. If someone isn't doing their job properly then they shouldn't last long regardless of what they believe. Personally I'd probably go with keeping them out of the Police and significant leadership positions in the military. I agree....it's an area that needs careful consideration.....Should we allow communists in education? Would we have many teachers left? But if someone is advocating violence then they need to be detained. I have no problem with that. However, actual violence.....not words or ideas that others are offenced by. Edited by Stirlingsays (07 Sep 2017 2.02pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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07 Sep 17 1.50pm

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

Hell I'd say it would be ok for them to work as third party companies into the MOD or military - just not as servicemen.

It sounds like you aren't leaving them much to me.

Does this even work? All this does is remove the group tag. It just goes underground and becomes looser.....It's no longer debated.

You want people out in the open.

If someone isn't doing their job properly then they shouldn't last long regardless of what they believe.

Personally I'd probably go with keeping them out of the Police and significant leadership positions in the military. I agree....it's an area that needs careful consideration.....Should we allow communists in education? Would we have many teachers left?

But if someone is advocating violence then they need to be detained. I have no problem with that. However, actual violence.....not words or ideas that others are offenced by.

Edited by Stirlingsays (07 Sep 2017 2.02pm)

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Hrolf The Ganger 07 Sep 17 1.52pm
Originally posted by jamiemartin721 It is? I'm of Romany decent - when I tell people I have to explain it by using a derogatory terms people understand. My cultural heritage in the UK barely even exists anymore (and has all manner of laws preventing aspects of it). Luckily I can pass easily for Anglo-Saxon. What exactly does that mean in historical/genetic terms? It's a bit confusing.
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721

It is? I'm of Romany decent - when I tell people I have to explain it by using a derogatory terms people understand. My cultural heritage in the UK barely even exists anymore (and has all manner of laws preventing aspects of it). Luckily I can pass easily for Anglo-Saxon.

What exactly does that mean in historical/genetic terms?
It's a bit confusing.

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Hrolf The Ganger 07 Sep 17 1.54pm
Originally posted by jamiemartin721 I think it has to be carefully considered whether they should have jobs within certain areas. Police, Military, Prison Service, Race Relations board - etc. I don't think it really matters if they work for Court Service (as long as they're not a judge) or as even as an administrator in the police service. Hell I'd say it would be ok for them to work as third party companies into the MOD or military - just not as servicemen. This is sounding like McCarthyism and we know where that leads.
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07 Sep 17 1.54pm

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

Hell I'd say it would be ok for them to work as third party companies into the MOD or military - just not as servicemen.

This is sounding like McCarthyism and we know where that leads.

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jamiemartin721 Reading 07 Sep 17 1.54pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger Inevitably, a technologically superior culture will exploit a lesser one. That is just how it is. Equally, a majority who has a political advantage will generally put themselves first. Personally, I don't have guilt about the exploits of Empire builders and invaders. I frown upon their methods but acknowledge the consistency of human nature in such things. A non White majority will not care a twopence about Whitey either, so let's not kid ourselves that we are the bad guys to serve some self loathing indulgence. More likely by that time has come, we'll have all fked across so many different cultures, ethnicities etc that the only people being singled out are fking retards who constantly find reasons to worry about their skin colour. Look around you, the past when it was weird or strange to have partners of different ethnicity is well and truly over. Its common now, when it was rare even in my teens. Give it another couple of generations and the only people time people worry about their skin colour is when they're working out what sunscreen they need. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Reading 07 Sep 17 1.54pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Inevitably, a technologically superior culture will exploit a lesser one. That is just how it is.
Equally, a majority who has a political advantage will generally put themselves first.
Personally, I don't have guilt about the exploits of Empire builders and invaders. I frown upon their methods but acknowledge the consistency of human nature in such things. A non White majority will not care a twopence about Whitey either, so let's not kid ourselves that we are the bad guys to serve some self loathing indulgence.

More likely by that time has come, we'll have all f**ked across so many different cultures, ethnicities etc that the only people being singled out are f**king retards who constantly find reasons to worry about their skin colour.

Look around you, the past when it was weird or strange to have partners of different ethnicity is well and truly over. Its common now, when it was rare even in my teens.

Give it another couple of generations and the only people time people worry about their skin colour is when they're working out what sunscreen they need.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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Hrolf The Ganger 07 Sep 17 2.04pm
Originally posted by jamiemartin721 More likely by that time has come, we'll have all fked across so many different cultures, ethnicities etc that the only people being singled out are fking retards who constantly find reasons to worry about their skin colour. Look around you, the past when it was weird or strange to have partners of different ethnicity is well and truly over. Its common now, when it was rare even in my teens. Give it another couple of generations and the only people time people worry about their skin colour is when they're working out what sunscreen they need. That is a possibility and quite probably but you know that people like division. We are tribal. I'm not sure this transition to light brown people will go as smoothly as you think. Can you see Islam cosying up to Catholics or Jews? Or even the middle classes cosying up to ethnic minorities? I see a lot of pain ahead.
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Hrolf The Ganger

07 Sep 17 2.04pm

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

Look around you, the past when it was weird or strange to have partners of different ethnicity is well and truly over. Its common now, when it was rare even in my teens.

Give it another couple of generations and the only people time people worry about their skin colour is when they're working out what sunscreen they need.

That is a possibility and quite probably but you know that people like division. We are tribal. I'm not sure this transition to light brown people will go as smoothly as you think. Can you see Islam cosying up to Catholics or Jews? Or even the middle classes cosying up to ethnic minorities?
I see a lot of pain ahead.

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jamiemartin721 Reading 07 Sep 17 2.21pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger What exactly does that mean in historical/genetic terms? It's a bit confusing. Both, on my mothers side. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Reading 07 Sep 17 2.21pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

What exactly does that mean in historical/genetic terms?
It's a bit confusing.

Both, on my mothers side.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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Stirlingsays 07 Sep 17 2.21pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger That is a possibility and quite probably but you know that people like division. We are tribal. I'm not sure this transition to light brown people will go as smoothly as you think. Can you see Islam cosying up to Catholics or Jews? Or even the middle classes cosying up to ethnic minorities? I see a lot of pain ahead. Yep, I see much more marked division ahead. Our leaders aren't that smart....well that's not fair....they have been idealistic and in it for the short term. At the moment it's at the warm words stage with intermittent weather so to speak. I'm still thinking about what's best for my toddlers future wise. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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07 Sep 17 2.21pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Yep, I see much more marked division ahead. Our leaders aren't that smart....well that's not fair....they have been idealistic and in it for the short term.

At the moment it's at the warm words stage with intermittent weather so to speak.

I'm still thinking about what's best for my toddlers future wise.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Stirlingsays 07 Sep 17 2.27pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger This is sounding like McCarthyism and we know where that leads. Yeah...and Hollywood only makes movies about the McCarthyism that they don't like. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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07 Sep 17 2.27pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

This is sounding like McCarthyism and we know where that leads.

Yeah...and Hollywood only makes movies about the McCarthyism that they don't like.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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jamiemartin721 Reading 07 Sep 17 2.27pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger This is sounding like McCarthyism and we know where that leads. I think its reasonable - we should exclude people who believe that sections of the British population are inferior or deserve prejudicial treatment from positions where they can exercise that prejudice. Of course, if you don't know, you don't know. But lets face it, if someone is a known racist, you're unlikely to consider them suitable for managing a team including ethnic minorities. And as pointed out, National Action are a proscribed group that revelled in the murder of Jo Cox and celebrated it. I don't think during the cold war it would have been wise to have members of the Communist party working in the Intelligence Agencies. McCarthyism wasn't about protecting people, it was about persecuting people for their alleged political beliefs, irrespective of what job they were doing. No one for a minute believed that Members of the Communist Party should be working in the Defence Agency etc. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Reading 07 Sep 17 2.27pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

This is sounding like McCarthyism and we know where that leads.

I think its reasonable - we should exclude people who believe that sections of the British population are inferior or deserve prejudicial treatment from positions where they can exercise that prejudice.

Of course, if you don't know, you don't know. But lets face it, if someone is a known racist, you're unlikely to consider them suitable for managing a team including ethnic minorities.

And as pointed out, National Action are a proscribed group that revelled in the murder of Jo Cox and celebrated it.

I don't think during the cold war it would have been wise to have members of the Communist party working in the Intelligence Agencies.

McCarthyism wasn't about protecting people, it was about persecuting people for their alleged political beliefs, irrespective of what job they were doing. No one for a minute believed that Members of the Communist Party should be working in the Defence Agency etc.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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Stirlingsays 07 Sep 17 2.39pm
Originally posted by jamiemartin721 It is? I'm of Romany decent - when I tell people I have to explain it by using a derogatory terms people understand. My cultural heritage in the UK barely even exists anymore (and has all manner of laws preventing aspects of it). Luckily I can pass easily for Anglo-Saxon. Oh my god....you and Tyson Fury! You are what you identify as....and what you put the work into being....If you are genuine about it most people from that group will accept you. But as we know you're a 'world citizen'....which we all are by virtue of being human....I see the virtue of national identity and you don't. That's fair enough. You have that nihilism thing.....which is true, but ultimately I believe in the advancement of the species, as something useful so I try to support what is probably best for it. We need to get off this rock and spread. Existence is survival and reproduction.....You're doing your bit for one part of the equation. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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07 Sep 17 2.39pm

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

It is? I'm of Romany decent - when I tell people I have to explain it by using a derogatory terms people understand. My cultural heritage in the UK barely even exists anymore (and has all manner of laws preventing aspects of it). Luckily I can pass easily for Anglo-Saxon.

Oh my god....you and Tyson Fury!

You are what you identify as....and what you put the work into being....If you are genuine about it most people from that group will accept you.

But as we know you're a 'world citizen'....which we all are by virtue of being human....I see the virtue of national identity and you don't. That's fair enough.

You have that nihilism thing.....which is true, but ultimately I believe in the advancement of the species, as something useful so I try to support what is probably best for it.

We need to get off this rock and spread.

Existence is survival and reproduction.....You're doing your bit for one part of the equation.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Hrolf The Ganger 07 Sep 17 2.42pm
Originally posted by jamiemartin721 Both, on my mothers side. So you claim Northern India/Eastern European heritage? This is by word of mouth or historical records?
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07 Sep 17 2.42pm

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

Both, on my mothers side.

So you claim Northern India/Eastern European heritage?
This is by word of mouth or historical records?

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