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 Stirlingsays  10 Jul 17 6.39pm |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
Most feminists I've known tend to vote Liberal or Green. Corbyn might be the only Labour leader I've known of to be popular with feminists. It didn't hurt Ashdown either as much as expected - People aren't so prudish these days, and you can get away with a lot more. That said, in the US, people do tend to be somewhat more entrenched in who'll they'll vote for (Republican or Democrat). I suspect Ted Bundy could probably get a 30% vote in a US General Election, regardless of whether he was the democrat or republican candidate. That 'Paddy Pantsdown' headline has to be one of the most amusing I can remember.....Still, it never made much of a difference to me....If anything it made him more human....If a politician's on the take I tend to bother more. I think your Bundy point holds a lot of water. Tribalism in politics probably counts for a good half to two thirds of the vote.
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| Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 10 Jul 17 6.43pm |
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Originally posted by serial thriller
The Tories, historically, have been one of the most macchiavalian, conniving and scheming groups of people this country has seen. Look at the last leadership election: the superficial unity Cameron had instilled went out the window, and everyone and their dog had a go at backstabbing and clambering for the top job. Yet now, when there is an open shot for any of the top dogs to overthrow May, no one seems to want it. Why? Because the Tories are going nowhere. We have a f*cking shambolic Brexit path round the corner, which will almost definitely lead to a huge recession, and the traditional formula for winning for the Tories: massive private donations, relentlessly supportive media, has disappeared. I don't think Rees Mogg or Johnson are particularly intelligent, or apt politicians, but even they probably have the sense to realise that taking the top job now, you're on a hiding to nothing. It is funny though - a party seen as out of touch now have two Etonians vying it out for the top job! Diarrhoea and then some.
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| matt_himself Matataland 10 Jul 17 6.53pm |
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Originally posted by serial thriller
The Tories, historically, have been one of the most macchiavalian, conniving and scheming groups of people this country has seen. Look at the last leadership election: the superficial unity Cameron had instilled went out the window, and everyone and their dog had a go at backstabbing and clambering for the top job. Yet now, when there is an open shot for any of the top dogs to overthrow May, no one seems to want it. Why? Because the Tories are going nowhere. We have a f*cking shambolic Brexit path round the corner, which will almost definitely lead to a huge recession, and the traditional formula for winning for the Tories: massive private donations, relentlessly supportive media, has disappeared. I don't think Rees Mogg or Johnson are particularly intelligent, or apt politicians, but even they probably have the sense to realise that taking the top job now, you're on a hiding to nothing. It is funny though - a party seen as out of touch now have two Etonians vying it out for the top job! They still are the largest party in the country and displayed public unity of a standard that no other party could in the U.K. With regards to being 'put of touch', that a political charge from people I consider to be out of touch with reality. People like Owen Jones, Paul Mason, et el, whom issue diktats to the 'masses' from cosy abodes in Islington. These people have not worked a day in their lives, yet patronise the working class with their agenda. Don't underestimate the Tories ability to see out a fight, to show unity and be the party of governance. Hubris is one of the factors that will kill Team Corbyn. If you and your 'comrades' were smart, you would look into history and learn. And when JRM gets elected leader, a nice, socially conservative agenda will sort this country out.
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| matt_himself Matataland 10 Jul 17 6.53pm |
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Originally posted by Willo
Diarrhoea and then some.
He's only young and has never experienced the real world. His views will change when he embraces reality.
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| serial thriller The Promised Land 10 Jul 17 7.06pm |
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Originally posted by matt_himself
They still are the largest party in the country and displayed public unity of a standard that no other party could in the U.K. With regards to being 'put of touch', that a political charge from people I consider to be out of touch with reality. People like Owen Jones, Paul Mason, et el, whom issue diktats to the 'masses' from cosy abodes in Islington. These people have not worked a day in their lives, yet patronise the working class with their agenda. Don't underestimate the Tories ability to see out a fight, to show unity and be the party of governance. Hubris is one of the factors that will kill Team Corbyn. If you and your 'comrades' were smart, you would look into history and learn. And when JRM gets elected leader, a nice, socially conservative agenda will sort this country out. I don't underestimate the Tories ability to ruthlessly abandon principles in the pursuit of power. I expect a serious lurch to the right with whoever becomes the new leader, but I maintain that despite all their Oxford Union public speaking classes, and their private tutors and Latin oration lessons, people like Rees Mogg and Johnson are losing the political argument at the moment. As for your comment in bold, you do realise you've started a thread about a man who owns a F*CKING COURT! At least Mason and Jones are from working class backgrounds, the closest Rees Mogg has probably come to an honest day's work is buggering one of his handmaids.
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 10 Jul 17 7.13pm |
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Originally posted by Willo
Diarrhoea and then some.
Because?
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| Kingvagabond London 10 Jul 17 7.14pm |
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Discourse in General Talk is a war zone of insults and frankly long may that last. Anyone that comes to GT expecting to be suave on either side is frankly an idiot. Read up as many policies using as many MSM, political blogs and otherwise as you can from both sides then come up with your own view. What I will say regarding JRM, like other 'big' personalities on the right, is I find most utterly out of touch with most working people.
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| Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 10 Jul 17 7.22pm |
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Originally posted by serial thriller
I don't underestimate the Tories ability to ruthlessly abandon principles in the pursuit of power. I expect a serious lurch to the right with whoever becomes the new leader, but I maintain that despite all their Oxford Union public speaking classes, and their private tutors and Latin oration lessons, people like Rees Mogg and Johnson are losing the political argument at the moment. As for your comment in bold, you do realise you've started a thread about a man who owns a F*CKING COURT! At least Mason and Jones are from working class backgrounds, the closest Rees Mogg has probably come to an honest day's work is buggering one of his handmaids. People who have totally LOST the argument resort to such puerile and risible comments which reach the nadir of decency. Edited by Willo (10 Jul 2017 7.25pm)
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| Stirlingsays 10 Jul 17 7.27pm |
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I think I'd pay good money to watch Mogg buggering one of his handmaidens in a sex tape. Maybe if the politics doesn't work out for him.
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| matt_himself Matataland 10 Jul 17 7.29pm |
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Originally posted by serial thriller
I don't underestimate the Tories ability to ruthlessly abandon principles in the pursuit of power. I expect a serious lurch to the right with whoever becomes the new leader, but I maintain that despite all their Oxford Union public speaking classes, and their private tutors and Latin oration lessons, people like Rees Mogg and Johnson are losing the political argument at the moment. As for your comment in bold, you do realise you've started a thread about a man who owns a F*CKING COURT! At least Mason and Jones are from working class backgrounds, the closest Rees Mogg has probably come to an honest day's work is buggering one of his handmaids. Class politics. What a surprise. The only politics you know is divide and conquer, the 'them and us'. Mason and Jones are from nice backgrounds. They sell books to people like you telling you they are working class and you lap it up. Mason was very Machiavellian not that long ago, espousing the virtues of Clive Lewis replacing Saint Jezza. He has changed his tune, highlighting his moral compass: More to the point, and back to the topic, does having a private education preclude you from office? If so, you had better replace Jezza as he went to an 'independent school'.
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| serial thriller The Promised Land 10 Jul 17 7.31pm |
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Originally posted by Willo
People who have totally LOST the argument resort to such puerile and risible comments which reach the nadir of decency. Edited by Willo (10 Jul 2017 7.25pm) Come on Willy it was just a joke. I'm trying to bridge the political divide with humour - don't tell me it didn't even raise a smile?
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| CambridgeEagle Sydenham 10 Jul 17 7.37pm |
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Originally posted by hedgehog50
Problem with Mogg, is that he comes across as an escapee from a Bertie Wooster novel. Similarly, Johnson is an escapee from an Evelyn Waugh novel. Has to be Davis - solid working class roots, knows what life is like for ordinary people, the others don't. Good analysis.
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