What makes public service workers special apart from the work they do to keep the country running is that they have already taken a big hit in their wages for the country.

While others continue to make money had over fist.

May said to that nurse "there is no money tree". After all the time in power the current govenment has had, they've had plenty of time to grow one and start looking after the country.

The money is there it's just about political priorties.

"You can lead a horse to water but a pencil must be lead"

Stan Laurel

In fairness most of the people I know in teaching aren't too unhappy with the pay (the lack of pay rises irks, but with the hours of unpaid work - that's generally more a cause of people leaving teaching. Getting a good wage for the contracted hours, but nothing for the five or six hours of work required in prep, planning, ofstead and marking).

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I agree....I think that's the most rational approach. Still, we have the problem of a little is never going to be enough anyway.

I hope that whatever they come up with works....We need to be a little more German and less Italian.....to use rather enjoyable stereotypes....Well German, apart from their rather easy approach to a form of economic continual indentured servitude for client nations.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

I have time for that argument. While private sector pay has taken over public sector that's not true for everyone.

However being a teacher and being self employed don't require the same entry requirements. It's apples and oranges.

To be a qualified teacher you need a degree and then a teacher qualification. All of which is not insignificant.

Teaching does not currently represent a good profession to enter for what is required to enter it.

It's the same with nursing....where requiring a degree has to be one of the most stupid typically short sighted elitist moves the t***s who rule over us have done.

Other public sector jobs represent a poor career choice for other reasons....Still valid ones with issues I don't downplay.

Unless you truly think you can stick out a public sector job until retirement it represents a high risk poor career choice for a qualified person.

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'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Imagine how badly the piss would be ripped out of a robot by a class of 15 year olds. I mean, the voice alone would be enough to send the robot suicidsl, and if it started getting lippy, just throw water at it!

And imagine what miserable c*nts we'd all be if we spent 5 to 18 learning algebra with a f*cking robot every day? Hard to see C3PO being the fondly-remembered inspirational teacher is it?

If punk ever happened I'd be preaching the law, instead of listenin to Lydon lecture BBC4

I think Matt has his tongue firmly in his cheek here.

Still, the automation point is always an interesting one.

I think for motivated, sensible and already reasonably educated adults or talented teenagers automated systems for education can work....hell they are already here and available from providers like Udemy and others.

For the less motivated or able teenagers and adults the human interaction of teaching is vital. We are a long long long way off from automation taking over there....But this is true of many jobs that require face to face communication and interactions between humans.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)