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Hrolf The Ganger 22 Jun 17 1.46pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays More often preference. Apparently if you don't like everything equally you're bigoted. Fairness is far more important than equality....Equality is mainly a human concept which nature ignores. So is fairness, to be fair
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22 Jun 17 1.46pm

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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

More often preference.

Apparently if you don't like everything equally you're bigoted.

Fairness is far more important than equality....Equality is mainly a human concept which nature ignores.

So is fairness, to be fair

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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 22 Jun 17 1.59pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger So is fairness, to be fair Not true. [Link] Heard dogs have a sense of fairness on the today programme last week.
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Shizzlehurst 22 Jun 17 1.59pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

So is fairness, to be fair

Not true.

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Heard dogs have a sense of fairness on the today programme last week.

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Cucking Funt Clapham on the Back 22 Jun 17 2.09pm
Originally posted by nickgusset Not true. [Link] Heard dogs have a sense of fairness on the today programme last week. That's the most interesting link you've ever posted. Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham
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Clapham on the Back 22 Jun 17 2.09pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

Not true.

[Link]

Heard dogs have a sense of fairness on the today programme last week.

That's the most interesting link you've ever posted.

Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham

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Hrolf The Ganger 22 Jun 17 2.11pm
Originally posted by nickgusset Not true. [Link] Heard dogs have a sense of fairness on the today programme last week. Who decided that? A human. Anthropomorphism.
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Hrolf The Ganger

22 Jun 17 2.11pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

Not true.

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Heard dogs have a sense of fairness on the today programme last week.

Who decided that? A human.

Anthropomorphism.

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jamiemartin721 Reading 22 Jun 17 2.18pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger Who decided that? A human. Anthropomorphism. Well, given the evidence, and the desire for belly rubs, he considered it fair... "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Reading 22 Jun 17 2.18pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Who decided that? A human.

Anthropomorphism.

Well, given the evidence, and the desire for belly rubs, he considered it fair...

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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Lyons550 Shirley 22 Jun 17 2.19pm
Originally posted by jamiemartin721 I think John Mann, had he been leader of Labour, might well have delivered a victory for Labour at the current election. I quite like Corbyn, but he's too moralistic for me, lacking pragmatism. I think if the Tories went back to Hague and Labour went for David Milliband (clearly I know that these are both out of the equation as things currently stand) then either would be eminently electable... The Voice of Reason In An Otherwise Mediocre World
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Shirley 22 Jun 17 2.19pm

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

I think John Mann, had he been leader of Labour, might well have delivered a victory for Labour at the current election. I quite like Corbyn, but he's too moralistic for me, lacking pragmatism.

I think if the Tories went back to Hague and Labour went for David Milliband (clearly I know that these are both out of the equation as things currently stand) then either would be eminently electable...

The Voice of Reason In An Otherwise Mediocre World

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Stirlingsays 22 Jun 17 2.19pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger Who decided that? A human. Anthropomorphism. We see forms of fairness at play in the higher levels of socialized animals I think. Chimps and primates generally have some level of it too. I think I get what you mean though....nature is red in tooth and craw and is often shockingly horrible. Equality though is a foreign concept to the natural world....well that I'm aware of anyway....Especially so in dogs which have an instinctive hierarchical social structure. Edited by Stirlingsays (22 Jun 2017 2.22pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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22 Jun 17 2.19pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Who decided that? A human.

Anthropomorphism.

We see forms of fairness at play in the higher levels of socialized animals I think. Chimps and primates generally have some level of it too.

I think I get what you mean though....nature is red in tooth and craw and is often shockingly horrible.

Equality though is a foreign concept to the natural world....well that I'm aware of anyway....Especially so in dogs which have an instinctive hierarchical social structure.

Edited by Stirlingsays (22 Jun 2017 2.22pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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jamiemartin721 Reading 22 Jun 17 2.22pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays More often preference. Apparently if you don't like everything equally you're bigoted. Fairness is far more important than equality....Equality is mainly a human concept which nature ignores. I think in this case, it fits. A man who should know better, in public office, using words like picannini etc... Fits quite well with being ignorant and bigoted. Well yes, if you're biased against something, without good reason, its likely that your bigoted. The key is as always good reason. I'm certainly bigoted towards the Conservatives, I know I give Labour (especially now) more slack than I do the Tories. Even though I profess to hate New Labour more. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Reading 22 Jun 17 2.22pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

More often preference.

Apparently if you don't like everything equally you're bigoted.

Fairness is far more important than equality....Equality is mainly a human concept which nature ignores.

I think in this case, it fits. A man who should know better, in public office, using words like picannini etc... Fits quite well with being ignorant and bigoted.

Well yes, if you're biased against something, without good reason, its likely that your bigoted. The key is as always good reason. I'm certainly bigoted towards the Conservatives, I know I give Labour (especially now) more slack than I do the Tories. Even though I profess to hate New Labour more.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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Hrolf The Ganger 22 Jun 17 2.23pm
Originally posted by jamiemartin721 Well, given the evidence, and the desire for belly rubs, he considered it fair... The behaviour might be real but the motivation cannot be philosophical. The alternate view is that human 'fairness' is not philosophical but more instinctive. The confusion would be a symptom of conceit.
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Hrolf The Ganger

22 Jun 17 2.23pm

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

Well, given the evidence, and the desire for belly rubs, he considered it fair...

The behaviour might be real but the motivation cannot be philosophical.

The alternate view is that human 'fairness' is not philosophical but more instinctive. The confusion would be a symptom of conceit.

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Stirlingsays 22 Jun 17 2.31pm
Originally posted by jamiemartin721 I think in this case, it fits. A man who should know better, in public office, using words like picannini etc... Fits quite well with being ignorant and bigoted. Na, I just think you're been implicitly intellectually trained by our new age cultural inquisition to think like this. I have little doubt that Johnson has bias.....I have little doubt that every human that exists has bias. However, something is negative only if it comes with negative intent. Otherwise the offence is purely in the mind of the offended. Personally I think Johnson likes to be creative with his language and that these are examples of it. I mean I can imagine how much this bloke has written and any little tiny thing that can be used against him is....Personally I find it distasteful and exaggerated. People with politicized antennas just like to denounce those who disagree with them.....even just a little bit. Edited by Stirlingsays (22 Jun 2017 2.32pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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22 Jun 17 2.31pm

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

I think in this case, it fits. A man who should know better, in public office, using words like picannini etc... Fits quite well with being ignorant and bigoted.

Na, I just think you're been implicitly intellectually trained by our new age cultural inquisition to think like this.

I have little doubt that Johnson has bias.....I have little doubt that every human that exists has bias.

However, something is negative only if it comes with negative intent. Otherwise the offence is purely in the mind of the offended. Personally I think Johnson likes to be creative with his language and that these are examples of it. I mean I can imagine how much this bloke has written and any little tiny thing that can be used against him is....Personally I find it distasteful and exaggerated.

People with politicized antennas just like to denounce those who disagree with them.....even just a little bit.

Edited by Stirlingsays (22 Jun 2017 2.32pm)

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jamiemartin721 Reading 22 Jun 17 2.35pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays We see forms of fairness at play in the higher levels of socialized animals I think. Chimps and primates generally have some level of it too. I think I get what you mean though....nature is red in tooth and craw and is often shockingly horrible. Equality though is a foreign concept to the natural world....well that I'm aware of anyway....Especially so in dogs which have an instinctive hierarchical social structure. Edited by Stirlingsays (22 Jun 2017 2.22pm) What generally separates out civility in animals (domestic) and humans, from the wild, is the capacity to which their needs are met. Its why oddly predators are easier to tame - Food, shelter - and soon you have domesticated animals. Oddly, it seems that the house cat more just moved in, than were domesticated and bred. We produced the rodents, they came for the dinner we provided, and seemed to have stayed (and got deified in several cultures). Take out the needs, and humans, animals, soon revert to a savage red nature. I'm not sure that the hierarchical structure of dogs is specific to dogs either, I think to some degree its a common mammalian trait, that maybe absent in some species. A collapse of civilisation is about three days of skipped meals away. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Reading 22 Jun 17 2.35pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

We see forms of fairness at play in the higher levels of socialized animals I think. Chimps and primates generally have some level of it too.

I think I get what you mean though....nature is red in tooth and craw and is often shockingly horrible.

Equality though is a foreign concept to the natural world....well that I'm aware of anyway....Especially so in dogs which have an instinctive hierarchical social structure.

Edited by Stirlingsays (22 Jun 2017 2.22pm)

What generally separates out civility in animals (domestic) and humans, from the wild, is the capacity to which their needs are met. Its why oddly predators are easier to tame - Food, shelter - and soon you have domesticated animals.

Oddly, it seems that the house cat more just moved in, than were domesticated and bred. We produced the rodents, they came for the dinner we provided, and seemed to have stayed (and got deified in several cultures).

Take out the needs, and humans, animals, soon revert to a savage red nature. I'm not sure that the hierarchical structure of dogs is specific to dogs either, I think to some degree its a common mammalian trait, that maybe absent in some species.

A collapse of civilisation is about three days of skipped meals away.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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