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pefwin  Where you have to have an English ... 13 Jun 17 1.09pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Perfwin is advocating the reduction of attempts to educate people against a lifestyle that shortens life. That is bonkers. Drug revenue would be welcomed by the chancellor but at what price? Where? I suggest allowing people to indulge in activities but at no point have I commented on the access to knowledge. It seems you tend to enforced sterilisation "for a rapidly growing population".
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  Hrolf The Ganger  13 Jun 17 1.10pm |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
Not what I'm saying, I'm happy to pay my fair share of the excess costs of my lifestyle on the NHS - and do. Now what about those people who are healthy long lifers who's choices not to smoke, drink, eat healthy etc is cause additional costs - are they taxed accordingly are they f**k. Play football on the weekends - I don't, and you won't see me down the ER either having injuries treated, or days off work due to injuries sustained in my spare time. I should pay more, because I use more. But we live with this idea that healthy people don't cost more. They do, a lot, and its growing. So you want people who live longer to pay more tax ? And at what point will this come into effect? 75, 80, 90? They won't be paying tax by then so how will you avoid penalising people who have been sensible with lifestyle, savings or successful in life? Why should they be taxed on money they want to give to their kids to compensate for others who blow their cash on vices and have knowingly risked their health, thus being an avoidable burden on the NHS?
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| pefwin Where you have to have an English ... 13 Jun 17 1.14pm |
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Yes. These people who have made deliberate lifestyle choices that lead to being dependent on the state at a late stage in life should pay, why should I subsidise their poor choices in not smoking, drinking, gambling and whoring.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 13 Jun 17 1.19pm |
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Originally posted by pefwin
Where? I suggest allowing people to indulge in activities but at no point have I commented on the access to knowledge. It seems you tend to enforced sterilisation "for a rapidly growing population". But they already do. The population is growing because we are encouraging mass immigration and no other reason.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 13 Jun 17 1.21pm |
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Originally posted by pefwin
Yes. These people who have made deliberate lifestyle choices that lead to being dependent on the state at a late stage in life should pay, why should I subsidise their poor choices in not smoking, drinking, gambling and whoring.
Very funny.
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| pefwin Where you have to have an English ... 13 Jun 17 1.21pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
But they already do. The population is growing because we are encouraging mass immigration and no other reason. and the world was created 6,000 years ago.
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Kermit8  Hevon 13 Jun 17 1.24pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
But they already do. The population is growing because we are encouraging mass immigration and no other reason. Nothing to do with the natives getting older and not enough of them dying before the age of 80 then? Our population is going to hit 70mill by 2037 going by the birth/death stats even if we stopped all immigration tomorrow. Edited by Kermit8 (13 Jun 2017 1.24pm)
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 13 Jun 17 1.25pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
So you want people who live longer to pay more tax ? And at what point will this come into effect? 75, 80, 90? They won't be paying tax by then so how will you avoid penalising people who have been sensible with lifestyle, savings or successful in life? Why should they be taxed on money they want to give to their kids to compensate for others who blow their cash on vices and have knowingly risked their health, thus being an avoidable burden on the NHS?
No, I want people who deliberately pursue a lifestyle that statistically leads to a longer life average to pay tax in the same way. Because, they also will cost the NHS more than the average. Same rules apply. The problem here isn't from people who are dying prematurely. Its from the people who are living too long. Why is it then that people seem to be happy to tax smokers for their cost to the NHS and not say people who engage in sports, for their cost to the NHS. I think its more that people who obey all the rules, do the right thing all the time, stay in their box and try to live as long as possible, forget that the point of life is to enjoy it. Rather than saving for that rainy day that'll never come, and the five or ten years of life you'll get when you retire. There seems to be a stream of people in the UK for whom everything is everyone else's fault, and never their own. Its the people who smoke, the people who drink, immigrants, the opposition, the poor, the needy etc.
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NKEagle  Pyongyang 13 Jun 17 1.26pm |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
There is serious taxation revenue waiting to be raised there, plus massive savings in law enforcement and NHS costs. I'm wary about legalising heroin and cocaine... We obviously need a sliding scale. When you're young and healthy, drinking and smoking discouraged, and other drugs illegal. As you get older , and pose a greater threat to the public coffers, more and more fun stuff becomes legal based on your year of birth. For example, maybe legal weed for everyone over 55. Wait a couple years, halucinagenics are free game too. 60? Cocaine's legal for you. By the time you're 70, you have the whole smorgasbord, opiods and anything you want. Throw in legal prostitution at some point in that age range while they're at it (strictly as patrons, that is). You'll reduce the lifespan, and older folks would go out with smiles on their faces.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 13 Jun 17 1.29pm |
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Originally posted by pefwin
Yes. These people who have made deliberate lifestyle choices that lead to being dependent on the state at a late stage in life should pay, why should I subsidise their poor choices in not smoking, drinking, gambling and whoring.
Quite agree. My only objection is that I don't get to pay taxation on the whoring, and drugging aspect. Of course the average person, isn't the issue here. I'm talking about the people who's decisions exceed the average persons, and thus contribute to a longer than average life expectancy. The average person is paying their fair share. I'm talking about the people who are very fit and healthy, and 'enjoy' a longer than average life expectancy. I'm happy to pay my fair share. I just object to paying theirs.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 13 Jun 17 1.29pm |
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Originally posted by pefwin
and the world was created 6,000 years ago. You seem unaware that the population would have leveled out and dropped without immigration.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 13 Jun 17 1.32pm |
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Originally posted by NKEagle
We obviously need a sliding scale. When you're young and healthy, drinking and smoking discouraged, and other drugs illegal. As you get older , and pose a greater threat to the public coffers, more and more fun stuff becomes legal based on your year of birth. For example, maybe legal weed for everyone over 55. Wait a couple years, halucinagenics are free game too. 60? Cocaine's legal for you. By the time you're 70, you have the whole smorgasbord, opiods and anything you want. Throw in legal prostitution at some point in that age range while they're at it (strictly as patrons, that is). You'll reduce the lifespan, and older folks would go out with smiles on their faces. Reminds me of why I'm not a Christian. The reward for being a good Christian is a very Christian afterlife, milk, honey and peaceful tranquillity. What kind of reward is that for a chaste, moderate life. The spiritual reward for not smoking crack, should be an afterlife of crack without consequences. Similarly, if the reward for being chaste and moderate all my life, was whores and excess, Christianity would appeal.
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