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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 21 Sep 17 3.30pm

Originally posted by susmik

It looks like we have all been hoodwinked over Global Warming and its been a lie from start to finish.
(Long read but very interesting)

By JAMES DELINGPOLE
How scientists got their global warming sums wrong — and created a £1TRILLION-a-year green industry that bullied experts who dared to question the figures
The scientists who produce those doomsday reports for the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change finally come clean. The planet has stubbornly refused to heat up to predicted levels
I’VE just discovered the hardest word in science.
And its Not pneumonoultramicroscopicsilicovolcanoconiosis (inflammation of the lungs caused by inhalation of silica dust). Nor palmitoyloleoylphosphatidylethanolamine (a lipid bilayer found in nerve tissue).
No, the actual hardest word — which scientists use so rarely it might as well not exist — is “Sorry”.
Which is a shame because right now the scientists owe us an apology so enormous that I doubt even a bunch of two dozen roses every day for the rest of our lives is quite enough to make amends for the damage they’ve done.
Thanks to their bad advice on climate change our gas and electricity bills have rocketed.
So too have our taxes, our car bills and the cost of flying abroad, our kids have been brainwashed into becoming tofu-munching eco-zealots, our old folk have frozen to death in fuel poverty, our countryside has been blighted with ranks of space-age solar panels and bat-chomping, bird-slicing eco-crucifixes, our rubbish collection service hijacked by hectoring bullies, our cities poisoned with diesel fumes&#8201;.&#8201;.&#8201;.
And all because a tiny bunch of ­scientists got their sums wrong and scared the world silly with a story about catastrophic man-made global warming.
This scare story, we now know, was at best an exaggeration, at worst a ­disgraceful fabrication. But while a handful of reviled and derided sceptics have been saying this for years, it’s only this week that those scientists have fessed up to their mistake.
In a new paper in the prestigious journal Nature Geoscience, the scientists who produce those doomsday reports for the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change have finally come clean — the computer models they’ve been using to predict runaway global warming are wrong, the planet has stubbornly refused to heat up anywhere near as much as they’d warned.
The report’s authors say it is now much more likely that the world will meet its CO2 reduction targets agreed at the UN’s Paris summit in 2015. Back then, Professor Michael Grubb of University College London said that the goal — keeping the rise in global temperatures below 1.5C — was so hard that achieving it would be “incompatible with democracy”.
David Bellamy was criticised after he dared to question the figures
Now he says: “When the facts change, I change.” Because it is now clear the impact of CO2 has been overstated, it means less needs to be done to stop “global warming”.
But even here Grubb may be exaggerating the scale of the problem and — assuming the problem is real — man’s ability to deal with it.
According to research by Dr Bjorn Lomborg, former director of the Danish government’s Environmental Assessment Institute (EAI) in Copenhagen, using the UN’s own figures, even if every country in the world sticks to its Paris carbon reduction targets, the result will be, at best, a drop in global temperatures by the end of the century of about one fifth of a degree. All that money, all that effort to — maybe — reduce “global warming” by less than the temperature difference between getting up and ­having breakfast.
One scientist has described the ­implications of the new Nature Geoscience report as “breathtaking”. He’s right. What it effectively does is scotch probably the most damaging ­scientific myth of our age — the notion that man-made carbon dioxide (CO2) is causing the planet to warm at such dangerous and ­unprecedented speeds that only massive government intervention can save us.
For a quarter of a century now — it all really got going in 1992 when 172 nations signed up to the Rio Earth Summit — our politicians have believed in and acted on this discredited theory.
In the name of saving the planet, war was declared on carbon dioxide, the benign trace gas which we exhale and which is so good for plant growth it has caused the planet to “green” by an extraordinary 14 per cent in the last 30 years.
This war on CO2 has resulted in a massive global decarbonisation industry worth around .5trillion (£1.11trillion) a year. Though it has made a handful of green crony capitalists very rich, it has made most of us much poorer, by forcing us to use expensive “renewables” instead of cheap, abundant fossil fuels.
So if the science behind all this ­nonsense was so dodgy, why did no one complain all these years?
Well, a few of us did. Some — such as Johnny Ball and David Bellamy — were brave TV celebrities, some — Graham Stringer, Peter Lilley, Owen Paterson, Nigel (now Lord) Lawson — were ­outspoken MPs, some were bona fide scientists. But whenever we spoke out, the response was the same — we were bullied, vilified, derided and dismissed as scientifically illiterate loons by a powerful climate alarmist establishment which brooked no dissent.
Unfortunately this alarmist establishment has many powerful media allies. The BBC has a huge roster of eco-activist reporters and science “experts” who believe in man-made global warming, and almost never gives sceptics air time.
Typical of this bias was the way one of its scientist presenters — a Guardian writer called Adam Rutherford — campaigned on Twitter to have Labour MP Graham Stringer “blocked” from the House of Commons Science and Technology Committee just because Stringer is a climate change sceptic and a ­trustee of Lord Lawson’s Global ­Warming Policy Foundation (GWPF).
One irony here is that Stringer, with his chemistry degree, is probably better equipped than Rutherford to understand the ins and outs of climate science.
Another is that the GWPF produced a report three years ago saying pretty much exactly what the supposed climate change experts are only finally ­admitting now — that the computer models are running “too hot”.
It comes as little consolation to those of us who’ve been right all along to say: “I told you so.”
In the name of promoting the global warming myth, free speech has been curtailed, honest science corrupted and vast economic and social damage done. That ­apology is long overdue.

Media mogul with interests in fossil fuels overexaggerates reports that the rise in global temperatures is not as high as thought.

What it fails to mention is that it's still rising and is still a result of human activity.

 

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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 21 Sep 17 4.27pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by nickgusset

Why should third world countries not be developed? Are the people born their somehow not worthy of what you and I have? You think being white British you are superior?

Tsk.

Because they are using up all our resources.
In the final battle for Earth, resources will be what we are fighting about. You will be dead so stop whining.

 

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susmik Flag PLYMOUTH -But Made in Old Coulsdon... 21 Sep 17 4.33pm Send a Private Message to susmik Add susmik as a friend

Originally posted by nickgusset

Media mogul with interests in fossil fuels overexaggerates reports that the rise in global temperatures is not as high as thought.

What it fails to mention is that it's still rising and is still a result of human activity.

And this?

[Link]

 


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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 21 Sep 17 4.40pm

Originally posted by susmik

And this?

[Link]

from the article...


Correction
This article originally referred to John Coleman as a top meteorologist; that reference has now been removed. It also claimed that in 2010 a high-level inquiry by the InterAcademy Council found there was “little evidence” to support the IPCC’s claims about global warming. In fact, the InterAcademy Council had not found that. The article has now been amended.

 

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susmik Flag PLYMOUTH -But Made in Old Coulsdon... 21 Sep 17 4.45pm Send a Private Message to susmik Add susmik as a friend

A GOOD BOOK TO READ.

Hot Talk, Cold Science
Global Warming’s Unfinished Debate
S. Fred Singer (Author)
Frederick Seitz (Foreword)

Extract:
"Most 'deniers' are not saying that at all. What they are saying is in fact, when you see groups that are willing to lie about and manipulate data in order to get the results they want, something is not right. When the answer to the problem is to take money and move it around, with the majority of it ending up in the pockets of people like Mr. 'I made Millions in this industry' Al Gore while being one of the worst individual polluters (like all who would profit from it) tends to blunt the belief in their sincerity and the severity of anything man is causing or can do to cease it. When you separate 'belief' that keeps getting the wrong result, much like dealing with a fortune teller, all they need do is wait years and when what they predicted to happen 10 years ago happens this year, they were right all along. The truth of 'deniers' is that they don't deny climate change, they deny that it is solely the cause (if in fact even a major factor) in it. The belief always seems to come from people who are well funded pushed by those who control funding. The history of manipulated data works against the argument. If it were true, then why would there be so many who need to falsify, edit, distort and manipulate data? That fortune teller can prove results the same way the AGW scientists are relying on getting their proof. All the while cashing their paychecks. While granny in Philadelphia on a fixed income freezes due to the inability to pay for heat in the winter for her little home. But AL GORE gets fatter and has a carbon footprint the size of an elephant, as do all of those wealthy AGW pushers.The numbers in polls on those who believe AGW in the US fall roughly in line with the percent in the US that Romney called 'the 47%'. AGW in the US relies more on convincing people to believe than it does on proving that man is causing it. Religions have done that for thousands of years. When the wealthy (and the government) insist you must believe something which costs you, and is a profit for them, it would take a real idiot not to question it".

 


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Ray in Houston Flag Houston 21 Sep 17 4.46pm Send a Private Message to Ray in Houston Add Ray in Houston as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Because they are using up all our resources.
In the final battle for Earth, resources will be what we are fighting about. You will be dead so stop whining.

How are they your resources. On that basis, you should only be consuming resources that are indigenous to the UK. I'm not going to even try to list the endless amount of things you'd be giving up, but it would start with your smartphone, include curry somewhere in the middle, and end on anything made from latex.

So that's your weekend f***ed then.

Edited by Ray in Houston (21 Sep 2017 4.54pm)

 


We don't do possession; we do defense and attack. Everything else is just wa**ing with a football.

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susmik Flag PLYMOUTH -But Made in Old Coulsdon... 21 Sep 17 4.47pm Send a Private Message to susmik Add susmik as a friend

Originally posted by nickgusset

from the article...


Correction
This article originally referred to John Coleman as a top meteorologist; that reference has now been removed. It also claimed that in 2010 a high-level inquiry by the InterAcademy Council found there was “little evidence” to support the IPCC’s claims about global warming. In fact, the InterAcademy Council had not found that. The article has now been amended.

Another link Nick
[Link]

The truth from ones who know: [Link]

Edited by susmik (21 Sep 2017 4.51pm)

 


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Ray in Houston Flag Houston 21 Sep 17 4.51pm Send a Private Message to Ray in Houston Add Ray in Houston as a friend

Originally posted by susmik

A GOOD BOOK TO READ.

Hot Talk, Cold Science
Global Warming’s Unfinished Debate
S. Fred Singer (Author)
Frederick Seitz (Foreword)


That book was written in 1997. I'm guessing that you don't think science has moved on much since then.

Apropos nothing, in 1997, if you had one, this was your cell phone.

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We don't do possession; we do defense and attack. Everything else is just wa**ing with a football.

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susmik Flag PLYMOUTH -But Made in Old Coulsdon... 21 Sep 17 4.54pm Send a Private Message to susmik Add susmik as a friend

Originally posted by Ray in Houston


That book was written in 1997. I'm guessing that you don't think science has moved on much since then.

Apropos nothing, in 1997, if you had one, this was your cell phone.

WAR AND PEACE was written long long before then but its still a very good read

 


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Ray in Houston Flag Houston 21 Sep 17 4.55pm Send a Private Message to Ray in Houston Add Ray in Houston as a friend

Originally posted by susmik

WAR AND PEACE was written long long before then but its still a very good read


Yep. And it too is a work of fiction.

 


We don't do possession; we do defense and attack. Everything else is just wa**ing with a football.

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Originally posted by susmik

WAR AND PEACE was written long long before then but its still a very good read

It's not. It's sh1t.

Managed about 20 pages. Not a patch on Adrian Mole.

 


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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 21 Sep 17 5.14pm

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