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Kermit8 Hevon 24 Jan 17 9.32am | |
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Maybe Parish can't achieve what you all want him to? His biggest sin has been to spend all that lovely dosh on high wages for so many players who over the last four seasons have basically contributed fvck all with our on-field progression rather than the infrastructure, and looking toward the long-term future for the club off the field. His legacy will be that he helped save the club in 2010 but also that he p1ssed a helluvalot of money up against the wall. Money that could have turned the club around.
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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 24 Jan 17 9.35am | |
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Originally posted by Maine Eagle
Holloway had to beg to get fired. There wasnt a single other premier league chairman who would have hired Neil Warnock. I hate to harp on, but do you understand how bad Alan Pardew was? We had the worst record in all professional leagues in the country. Our points per game ratio was utterly abysmal. There isnt a single other premier league chairman who would not have fired Pardew sooner. In some cases months and months sooner. Meanwhile Pardew went about shattering the confidence of players like Dann and Townsend, turning over-performers like Ward into also-rans, and destroying every vestige of the resolute back four that we had under Pulis. Its too late to "still be learning", or we will learn ourselves right into the Championship. What is done is done and I want us to move on and be successful but again the same mistakes are creeping in. We need to sign some players, sometimes a new manager appointment and a new player singing is much greater than the sum of its parts, it spurs a reaction in the team and you break out of a slump. Is it not utterly apparent that we need a major shot in the arm? It didnt happen with BFS being appointed and now we need the chairman to inject that impetus in the only way he can in January, sign some players please and stop dithering. Parish now is the most important person in our fight to stay up as Allardyce is struggling so far and hasnt gotten that reaction he usually gets. Performance was better against the toffees but its another loss and another late goal. We barely had a shot on target. Mr Parish needs to act decisively, its too late now for the games already gone in January and those possible points, but assuming we lose to Man City if Parish can get 3 more signings over the line we can still save ourselves. But for pete sake, please act decisively and go and get some deals done for the sake of our club. I have mentioned it several times - At Sunderland, Allardyce lost 8 of his first 11 games and it was only in the last couple of months that they started to string some results together.I might be wrong but it was only in the last couple of games that they extricated themselves from the relegation zone. In terms pf "Barely had a shot on target", Allardyce has said a few times that our inability to keep "Clean sheets" has been damaging and perhaps in his quest for defensive solidity we have not been too effective in terms of attacking.
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Rudi Hedman Caterham 24 Jan 17 9.41am | |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
Maybe Parish can't achieve what you all want him to? His biggest sin has been to spend all that lovely dosh on high wages for so many players who over the last four seasons have basically contributed fvck all with our on-field progression rather than the infrastructure, and looking toward the long-term future for the club off the field. His legacy will be that he helped save the club in 2010 but also that he p1ssed a helluvalot of money up against the wall. Money that could have turned the club around. I dunno about this. Maybe you're stretching this a bit far. Since Pardew came in we've wasted a lot on players intended as cover but are really very last resort after others playing out of position aren't available. Mutch and Chungy? Money was wasted in prem year 1 with Holloway's and Parish's machine gun transfer strategy butvw still ended up in profit by £20mil. That was good ownership as we could've gone down. Trouble is we've been suffering with FFP since. Bournemouth spent heavily in year 1 for example, avoiding FFP rules that aren't there in year 1 whereas we're catching up with year 1 but at the same time making the mistake of not covering vulnerable areas but chancing it and waiting to see what happens over half a season every time.
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Rudi Hedman Caterham 24 Jan 17 9.45am | |
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Originally posted by Willo
I have mentioned it several times - At Sunderland, Allardyce lost 8 of his first 11 games and it was only in the last couple of months that they started to string some results together.I might be wrong but it was only in the last couple of games that they extricated themselves from the relegation zone. In terms pf "Barely had a shot on target", Allardyce has said a few times that our inability to keep "Clean sheets" has been damaging and perhaps in his quest for defensive solidity we have not been too effective in terms of attacking. Newcastle lost their penultimate match of the season on the Saturday at Villa. I think Defoe missed a late penalty away somewhere. Then midweek in Sunderland's refixtured match at home to Everton they won 3-0 and that was how it happened. I don't want us to rely on an odd Newcastle surrender when in their hands.
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Painter Croydon 24 Jan 17 9.45am | |
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Originally posted by Maine Eagle
Holloway had to beg to get fired. There wasnt a single other premier league chairman who would have hired Neil Warnock. I hate to harp on, but do you understand how bad Alan Pardew was? We had the worst record in all professional leagues in the country. Our points per game ratio was utterly abysmal. There isnt a single other premier league chairman who would not have fired Pardew sooner. In some cases months and months sooner. Meanwhile Pardew went about shattering the confidence of players like Dann and Townsend, turning over-performers like Ward into also-rans, and destroying every vestige of the resolute back four that we had under Pulis. Its too late to "still be learning", or we will learn ourselves right into the Championship. What is done is done and I want us to move on and be successful but again the same mistakes are creeping in. We need to sign some players, sometimes a new manager appointment and a new player singing is much greater than the sum of its parts, it spurs a reaction in the team and you break out of a slump. Is it not utterly apparent that we need a major shot in the arm? It didnt happen with BFS being appointed and now we need the chairman to inject that impetus in the only way he can in January, sign some players please and stop dithering. Parish now is the most important person in our fight to stay up as Allardyce is struggling so far and hasnt gotten that reaction he usually gets. Performance was better against the toffees but its another loss and another late goal. We barely had a shot on target. Mr Parish needs to act decisively, its too late now for the games already gone in January and those possible points, but assuming we lose to Man City if Parish can get 3 more signings over the line we can still save ourselves. But for pete sake, please act decisively and go and get some deals done for the sake of our club. Good post. People who quote they live in the real world are inferring they are superior and they aren't. The football world in which Parish has to work, is full of low life's, sharks, greedy people. It ain't an easy job, as everybody thinks they can do better, with no evidence st all except hindsight.
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Username Horsham 24 Jan 17 9.47am | |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
Maybe Parish can't achieve what you all want him to? His biggest sin has been to spend all that lovely dosh on high wages for so many players who over the last four seasons have basically contributed fvck all with our on-field progression rather than the infrastructure, and looking toward the long-term future for the club off the field. His legacy will be that he helped save the club in 2010 but also that he p1ssed a helluvalot of money up against the wall. Money that could have turned the club around.
He's like every football club owner in history, they all piss money up the wall. Football is basically one big game of trial and error. Sure, some are better than others, but even the best get it wrong. That's the same for managers and owners. Swansea, held up by so many as the perfectly run club for so long are struggling just as much as us. Leicester, a club in disarray two years ago are the reigning champions. It's easy to play Monday morning quarterback and say we should have spent the money on X instead of Y, or that we missed out on someone, but that's pointless. Could we have done things better? Of course, but that's the case with everything in life isn't it?
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cpfccccc Bromley 24 Jan 17 9.50am | |
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Good post username
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Maine Eagle USA 24 Jan 17 9.52am | |
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Originally posted by Willo
I have mentioned it several times - At Sunderland, Allardyce lost 8 of his first 11 games and it was only in the last couple of months that they started to string some results together.I might be wrong but it was only in the last couple of games that they extricated themselves from the relegation zone. In terms pf "Barely had a shot on target", Allardyce has said a few times that our inability to keep "Clean sheets" has been damaging and perhaps in his quest for defensive solidity we have not been too effective in terms of attacking. So what you are saying is that at Sunderland he won 3 of his first 11 games? I would bite your hand off, mate. At Newcastle he won 5 and drew 2 of his opening 9 games. Didn't someone once say, you can prove anything with stats? We scored for fun under Pardew but tended to concede more than we scored, Allardyce has probably recognized we have some defensive shortcomings, yes. He is correct to try to instill confidence in the back four and team with some tight pulis style performances. That is beside the point. I am talking about Parish and getting some players signed. Might I remind you that it was the dealings in the January transfer window that saved Sunderland.
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Kermit8 Hevon 24 Jan 17 9.53am | |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
I dunno about this. Maybe you're stretching this a bit far. Since Pardew came in we've wasted a lot on players intended as cover but are really very last resort after others playing out of position aren't available. Mutch and Chungy? Money was wasted in prem year 1 with Holloway's and Parish's machine gun transfer strategy butvw still ended up in profit by £20mil. That was good ownership as we could've gone down. Trouble is we've been suffering with FFP since. Bournemouth spent heavily in year 1 for example, avoiding FFP rules that aren't there in year 1 whereas we're catching up with year 1 but at the same time making the mistake of not covering vulnerable areas but chancing it and waiting to see what happens over half a season every time. Two seasons ago our wage bill was £70million. I dread to think what it is now. Parish has kept us solvent but if someone handed you £500million in 2012 and five years down the line you had £20million left so would you be. Doesn't mean to say you haven't been wasteful, does it? Yes, yes - the cladding on the front of your house looks wonderful, but still.
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Kermit8 Hevon 24 Jan 17 9.57am | |
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Originally posted by Username
He's like every football club owner in history, they all piss money up the wall. Football is basically one big game of trial and error. Sure, some are better than others, but even the best get it wrong. That's the same for managers and owners. Swansea, held up by so many as the perfectly run club for so long are struggling just as much as us. Leicester, a club in disarray two years ago are the reigning champions. It's easy to play Monday morning quarterback and say we should have spent the money on X instead of Y, or that we missed out on someone, but that's pointless. Could we have done things better? Of course, but that's the case with everything in life isn't it? Yes, but off the field those clubs are much more 'Prem' than we are even if all three of us get relegated. I am talking specifically about facilities and structure here not the playing side. All that money sent to the club in the hundreds of millions and it's gone.
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Geoff Thomas Tonbridge - 24 Jan 17 10.01am | |
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I do wonder where the millions has gone? GT
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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 24 Jan 17 10.04am | |
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Originally posted by Maine Eagle
So what you are saying is that at Sunderland he won 3 of his first 11 games? I would bite your hand off, mate. At Newcastle he won 5 and drew 2 of his opening 9 games. Didn't someone once say, you can prove anything with stats? We scored for fun under Pardew but tended to concede more than we scored, Allardyce has probably recognized we have some defensive shortcomings, yes. He is correct to try to instill confidence in the back four and team with some tight pulis style performances. That is beside the point. I am talking about Parish and getting some players signed. Might I remind you that it was the dealings in the January transfer window that saved Sunderland. To set the record straight, my post wasn't designed to be critical of Allardyce in any shape or form. I was just answering the 'Charge' that he usually engineers an instant improvement hence my stats regarding Sunderland.And of course he DID save Sunderland from the drop. Regards the "Dealings", indeed the 'K' force of Kone, Kirschoff and Khazri were influential in saving Sunderland and I am of the opinion they cost a total of £16 Mill which is NOT a great deal in PL terms.That said, they did have Defoe and he was terrific in a struggling side.We don't have a Defoe at the present.
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