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The Dolphin Flag 15 Dec 16 1.13pm Send a Private Message to The Dolphin Add The Dolphin as a friend

Originally posted by Inapickle

..coincidence.

Mr Inapickle - I have decided that you must post tongue in cheek and are just being a bit tricky for the fun of it because you can't be serious - surely?

Edited by The Dolphin (15 Dec 2016 1.14pm)

 

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paperhat Flag croydon 15 Dec 16 1.19pm Send a Private Message to paperhat Add paperhat as a friend

I'll acknowledge the bad luck for sure but then as you make your own luck, its all of our own doing.

How many of these luck chasers will happilly sit there at the end of the season once we're back in the Championship and just shrug their shoulders with an "oh well, we've had some bad luck this season haven't we?"

Other teams have "bad luck" and change stuff, we seem to just keep rattling along doing nowt about it.

 


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dannyh Flag wherever I lay my hat....... 15 Dec 16 1.33pm Send a Private Message to dannyh Add dannyh as a friend

Originally posted by Flightsequence

You know what. You do make some very valid points. I too was a bit confused by the look of the starting lineup. But, the whole square pegs in round holes thing is probably due to him not trusting most of them. The Ward scenario is because he doesn't trust Kelly, or Fryers defending, and Tomkins can probably only play one side at full back. The reason why Townsend is benched is because he wants to play on the same side as Zaha and is sulking, and with Zaha's form it aint happening. Maybe the players cant be ar*** to play for Pardew and then it really is time to get rid. Seriously, I'm not a Pardew lover, but just can't stand it when people just jump on anything to batter him with regardless. I think we are too open at the back and maybe Pardews tactics are a bit gung ho. So hopefully the new man when appointed will balance the ambition to win games. However, we may go back to the, we're drawing, sit tight, and make no subs to change the game scenario. I also can't see us getting anything against Chelsea or Arsenal, but have you really ever expected to? So its a new manager, some player who can be bothered, and another new system. Fingers crossed. Please don't let it be a backward step with a new up and coming manager or Fat Sam. We need a proper master tactician. Not unless we all chip in with our ideas and pass them on. Now where's my old Trevor Francis tracksuit.

You see when you look at it, it's blindingly obvious whose to blame here.

Look at the players highlighted, ask yourself who brought them in ? add Lee Sako Mutch and the loan spell of Bamford and you get a picture for the type of player he has brought in.

I do have to take issue with the jump on anything comment. It's a jump on anything, it's the same errors over and over again, not being able to defend from set pieces, defend a lead for more than 2 minutes or seemingly hold it together without McCarthur. And it's the same reasons today as it was 18 months ago, we have gone from a well drilled, well organised counter attacking team, to a disorganised, rabble who couldn't stop a beech ball with a barn door.

But apparently the playing staff have improved since Pulis, so how do you explain the 6 in 41 win ratio, if the players are better, it has to be the way they are managed that is the problem, and that old chum is the fault of Alan Pardew.

I know Pulis was a robbing b****** but you can not deny the team has gone backwards since Mildew took over.

 


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The Dolphin Flag 15 Dec 16 1.39pm Send a Private Message to The Dolphin Add The Dolphin as a friend

Top post!!

 

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Flightsequence Flag 15 Dec 16 2.07pm Send a Private Message to Flightsequence Add Flightsequence as a friend

Originally posted by dannyh

You see when you look at it, it's blindingly obvious whose to blame here.

Look at the players highlighted, ask yourself who brought them in ? add Lee Sako Mutch and the loan spell of Bamford and you get a picture for the type of player he has brought in.

I do have to take issue with the jump on anything comment. It's a jump on anything, it's the same errors over and over again, not being able to defend from set pieces, defend a lead for more than 2 minutes or seemingly hold it together without McCarthur. And it's the same reasons today as it was 18 months ago, we have gone from a well drilled, well organised counter attacking team, to a disorganised, rabble who couldn't stop a beech ball with a barn door.

But apparently the playing staff have improved since Pulis, so how do you explain the 6 in 41 win ratio, if the players are better, it has to be the way they are managed that is the problem, and that old chum is the fault of Alan Pardew.

I know Pulis was a robbing b****** but you can not deny the team has gone backwards since Mildew took over.

To be fair, these were before the investment, and I think we have stepped up a level with other signings since then and hopefully again in January. I'm not sure we have the players to counter like we used too. Once Bolasie went, the speed element went from our game, although, his finishing and final ball were poor at times. Defences only have to worry about Zaha now and the element of speed in numbers has gone. But one thing as you said is glaringly obvious and that is our poor defending. As I said in a previous post, when the new manager arrives, lets see what he can do with the same group of players. I think if Pardew goes I think the whole coaching staff should follow and start a fresh. We have been thin on the ground with specialist coaches for too long. Lets see what happens in the coming month. One thing is for sure, a lack of points is coming with the opposition faced.

 

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alaneagle1 Flag Dunstable,Bedfordshire.England 15 Dec 16 2.20pm Send a Private Message to alaneagle1 Add alaneagle1 as a friend

Danny good posts but for the record only Tompkins was a Pardew signing.
I think Kelly was Pulis and Fryers Warnock.?
Willo will confirm from his many sauces.!!

 


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Inapickle Flag South West 15 Dec 16 2.31pm

Originally posted by gambler

I did say we "could" have got a point. But of course none of us will ever know for sure will we?

..yep, it's impossible.

 

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OknotOK Flag Cockfosters, London 15 Dec 16 2.34pm Send a Private Message to OknotOK Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add OknotOK as a friend

Pardew has had some bad luck. But he has also had some good luck at points.

As has been mentioned, Man U had a perfectly good goal disallowed and a fairly blatant penalty denied.

On the flip side they also had a red card not given and got away with it for the first goal (although the handball isn't easy to give as I don't think either linesman or ref are able to see).

Did taking off McArthur yesterday directly result in the 2nd goal? Probably not. But did taking off McArthur for a striker help give the players a sense of recklessness that meant clinging onto a barely deserved point against a huge team with masses of talent? Absolutely.

Pardew is giving them the mentality that it is better to lose and risk winning, then draw. And that is suicidal at points. Burnley, Swansea, and Man United games - all lost when in winning or drawing positions when we should have just stuck 9 or 10 men behind the ball.

 


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The Dolphin Flag 15 Dec 16 2.35pm Send a Private Message to The Dolphin Add The Dolphin as a friend

Kelly and Fryers were bought by others not AP.
However his signings have not been great other than Benteke
Cabaye - at times
Souare
Flamini - I am hopeful
The others have not shone
Mutch
Lee
Townsend - early days but not hopeful
Tomkins - early days
Mandanda - early days
Wickham
J Benteke
Sako
Remy - never even seen him due to injury
Others bought and long gone -
Bamford
Adebayore
Alex McArthy
Ameobi
Sanogo
And to make way for them and their wages we have let go
Bolasie - better than Townsend
Jedinak - better than Mutch and Lee
Gayle - better than Wickham
Murray - better than Wickham
And more albeit not as high profile.
Not bad luck - just bad decision making on the whole - why give him another window?

Edited by The Dolphin (15 Dec 2016 2.35pm)

 

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Inapickle Flag South West 15 Dec 16 3.19pm

Originally posted by The Dolphin

Mr Inapickle - I have decided that you must post tongue in cheek and are just being a bit tricky for the fun of it because you can't be serious - surely?

Edited by The Dolphin (15 Dec 2016 1.14pm)

..so are we saying that with McArthur on the pitch we don't make mistakes but without him we do, do you really want me to list all the silly goals given away with him involved in the team because I can, I'll just do moan.u for starters, he was there for ledley's lovely handball and he was still there for the refs lovely interpretation of offside for Mata's goal...of course he watched also the beautiful handling of the ball for their wonderful first goal and then he watched in awe as we brilliantly played them offside.
People are just trying to link our misfortune to one person and time when really it is a collection of problems over a long period of time all starting when we failed to make the most of Mr Murray and then failed to replace him properly, Wickham excused sadly for injuries because he has great potential, but very poor luck.

 

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Bensy2812 Flag Tonbridge 15 Dec 16 3.28pm Send a Private Message to Bensy2812 Add Bensy2812 as a friend

only question I had about last night was the introduction of Campbell over townsend, we will never know but if townsend came on he might of kpt utd on the back foot and even swapping yohan out and leaving Mccarther on instead for the full 90 mins?

wtf was happening in the homesdale last night couple of lads throwing handbags at each other

 


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alaneagle1 Flag Dunstable,Bedfordshire.England 15 Dec 16 3.42pm Send a Private Message to alaneagle1 Add alaneagle1 as a friend

Originally posted by Inapickle

..so are we saying that with McArthur on the pitch we don't make mistakes but without him we do, do you really want me to list all the silly goals given away with him involved in the team because I can, I'll just do moan.u for starters, he was there for ledley's lovely handball and he was still there for the refs lovely interpretation of offside for Mata's goal...of course he watched also the beautiful handling of the ball for their wonderful first goal and then he watched in awe as we brilliantly played them offside.
People are just trying to link our misfortune to one person and time when really it is a collection of problems over a long period of time all starting when we failed to make the most of Mr Murray and then failed to replace him properly, Wickham excused sadly for injuries because he has great potential, but very poor luck.

Inapickle I have stuck up for AP but that's it now.As you say above Mr Murray,he could of kept him.
It was his decision.
Look at that list of signings from Dolphin only 4 made the starting 11.
Why is MacArthur always taken off.
That sub in the 88th minute was wrong.As soon as it was made I new we would lose.
Parish as a Football Fan surely will agree.

 


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