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the silurian The garden of England.(not really) 11 Dec 16 11.24am | |
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Originally posted by Willo
To be totally honest I don't really give a jot if you give any consideration to my views. At the end of the day I make an honest assessment of refereeing decisions and try to understand them from his perspective, recognising all the time that he does not have the luxury of "Slow-Mos" from different angles.It is only natural that at times referees will err from time to time whereas commentators and pundits availing of technology will always be right - surprise,surprise. No you don't you just defend the referee no matter what he does. I really think that if the ref pulled a gun and shot zaha when he was through on goal you'd come up with a reason to justify his actions.... you either watch the game with your eyes closed or you're a Brighton fan undercover on here...in this case you are very wrong, even MOTD said he was wrong... Pardew said nothing cos he'd be fined if he did, and why would he want to give more money to the corrupt FA??? Cue "let's not make this a Willo thread" and " that's my last word, I shall not post on this thread again" comment. Edited by the silurian (11 Dec 2016 11.28am) Edited by the silurian (11 Dec 2016 11.29am) Edited by the silurian (11 Dec 2016 11.31am)
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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 11 Dec 16 11.28am | |
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Originally posted by rollercoaster
If you really don't care if anybody considers what you have to say then I do not understand why you post so often. I have never criticised one of your posts before I was just trying to explain that there must be occasions when you think the referee hasn't done as well as he might and if you were to document these occasionally your support for referees might get a better response. So do you think yesterdays referee had a good game? Equally, pundits have the same advantages over the players too and criticise them as much or perhaps more often than referees. Would you rather there weren't pundits? My statement was a 'Prickly' response to what you had said.At the end of the day I'm not overly bothered or upset by any severe criticism - Rhino hide and all that ! Regards the referee yesterday, I didn't witness the whole game so I really cannot comment on his overall performance. Certainly he got it right over the penalty for the foul on Zaha and IF he had awarded a penalty for the challenge on Benteke there might not have been too many complaints but I re-iterate he probably thought contact was made with the ball prior to Benteke going to ground and replays have suggested there was contact, albeit minimal - a question of did the player go through an opponent before making contact with the ball or was there contact with the player before the ball was played. Very fine margins in a fast moving scenario.
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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 11 Dec 16 11.31am | |
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Originally posted by the silurian
No you don't you just defend the referee no matter what he does. I really think that if the ref pulled a gun and shot zaha when he was through on goal you'd come up with a reason to justify his actions.... you either watch the game with your eyes closed or you're a Brighton fan undercover on here...in this case you are very wrong, even MOTD said he was wrong... Pardew said nothing cos he'd be fined if he did, and why would he want to give more money to the corrupt FA??? Cue "let's not make this a Willo thread" and " that's my last word, I shall not post on this thread again" comment. Edited by the silurian (11 Dec 2016 11.28am) Edited by the silurian (11 Dec 2016 11.29am) Where have I said that referees NEVER make mistakes ?
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the silurian The garden of England.(not really) 11 Dec 16 11.32am | |
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Originally posted by Willo
Where have I said that referees NEVER make mistakes ? Hogwash and balderdash!!! Even when a ref makes such a horrendous error as yesterday you still try and justify it rather than admit that he made a MISTAKE....maybe if you did occasionally admit such errors people would take on board some of the other things you post Genuine question! Do you think he erred in giving the penalty? Edited by the silurian (11 Dec 2016 11.37am)
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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 11 Dec 16 11.36am | |
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Originally posted by the silurian
Hogwash and balderdash!!! Not forgetting "Piffle " !!!! Let's NOT turn this into a "Hogwash,balderdash and piffle" thread.
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the silurian The garden of England.(not really) 11 Dec 16 11.38am | |
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Originally posted by Willo
Not forgetting "Piffle " !!!! Let's NOT turn this into a "Hogwash,balderdash and piffle" thread.
You've already done that pal! Edited by the silurian (11 Dec 2016 11.39am)
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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 11 Dec 16 11.41am | |
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Originally posted by the silurian
You've already done that pal! Edited by the silurian (11 Dec 2016 11.39am) I'm NOT your "Pal" and not likely to be one.
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Hoof Hearted 11 Dec 16 11.43am | |
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I'm not surprised that the "usual suspect" has predictably given reasons why the referee gave the penalty for Snodgrass and not Benteke. For the benefit of everyone else who has commented I agree with you all. The referee was handily placed to make the right call for both situations. Snodgrass admitted on Twitter after the game that he had dived FFS. No further comment is necessary.
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the silurian The garden of England.(not really) 11 Dec 16 11.44am | |
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Originally posted by Willo
I'm NOT your "Pal" and not likely to be one. Thank the lord for that!! How about just answer the question??
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Pierre Purley 11 Dec 16 11.45am | |
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Until football introduces a forth official to examine instant replays at critical junctures during matches as they do in both codes of rugby and other sports. Citations and retrospective punishment wouldn't change decisions on the field of play nor the results of a match. If Snodgrass still chose to dive to give his club an advantage and the penalty was given he would then have to take the punishment, his club would back him as did Phelan with that pathetic interview about the incident. Situations like yesterday change matches as Snodgrass was already on a yellow card and would surely have got another one and been sent off. That was not mentioned on MOD last night. With a fourth official-Other events on the field of play and in the penalty box could have been reviewed quickly and proper decisions made to help referees who obviously find it increasingly difficult to make that split second real time call even though they are wired up to their assistants! Willo you are right football is played in real time however it has got a little faster since your day, the antics and attitudes of many players have changed dramatically (and not all for the best), however in an awful lot of cases the quality of top football match officiating is at times lamentable!
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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 11 Dec 16 11.50am | |
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Originally posted by Hoof Hearted
I'm not surprised that the "usual suspect" has predictably given reasons why the referee gave the penalty for Snodgrass and not Benteke. For the benefit of everyone else who has commented I agree with you all. The referee was handily placed to make the right call for both situations. Snodgrass admitted on Twitter after the game that he had dived FFS. No further comment is necessary. With the utmost respect "Hoof Hearted" I have posted comments about the Benteke incident so really have nothing to add. It is generally accepted that Hull were fortunate to have been awarded a penalty - all I have been trying to do is to try and see it from the referee's perspective. Dann slides in, Snodgrass goes over - from the referee's angle it looks like a penalty.If he had seen it from another angle then he might have made a different decision.
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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 11 Dec 16 11.56am | |
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Originally posted by Pierre
Until football introduces a forth official to examine instant replays at critical junctures during matches as they do in both codes of rugby and other sports. Citations and retrospective punishment wouldn't change decisions on the field of play nor the results of a match. If Snodgrass still chose to dive to give his club an advantage and the penalty was given he would then have to take the punishment, his club would back him as did Phelan with that pathetic interview about the incident. Situations like yesterday change matches as Snodgrass was already on a yellow card and would surely have got another one and been sent off. That was not mentioned on MOD last night. With a fourth official-Other events on the field of play and in the penalty box could have been reviewed quickly and proper decisions made to help referees who obviously find it increasingly difficult to make that split second real time call even though they are wired up to their assistants! Willo you are right football is played in real time however it has got a little faster since your day, the antics and attitudes of many players have changed dramatically (and not all for the best), however in an awful lot of cases the quality of top football match officiating is at times lamentable! Football has got MUCH faster than in my day. Players,especially at the top-level are super fit and are real athletes. It is impossible for a referee to be near every single incident with the players and the ball travelling at such break-neck and can only give what he sees which of course is determined by angles and sight-lines. You mentioned "Assistants" - of course they are all wired-up and communicate with the referee but sometimes they don't have the best view either. Do referees make mistakes ? Of course they do, I wouldn't expect anything different. Edited by Willo (11 Dec 2016 11.57am)
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