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Username Horsham 24 Oct 16 11.53am
Originally posted by Mstrobez Leicester on paper aren't better than us really. People are getting carried away because they won the league - would swap Fuchs with Kelly, Huth or Morgan with Damo and Mahrez with townsends but other than that I don't see any superiority "on paper". My biggest issue with Pardew is I don't see any improvement - if results were poor but you could see evidence of us evolving then fair enough but it's bulls*** in my opinion. Tactically we have looked completely lost for a long long time and we only ever seem to look good when we do the exact thing pardew supposedly wants to come away from which is sitting deep and nicking a couple by set pieces/on the break. The reason we are good at those things are because of the defensive foundations laid out by Pulis. Under pardew, as time goes on, we look weaker and weaker at the back - regardless of injuries. It's all well and good saying you want to change the style of play but the goals we've scored this season have typically mainly been from set pieces or headers from Benteke. The only change I see is us looking more flimsy at the back. My point is we should expect to win more games given players we've signed under him, if we go on a little 3 game run it's nice but I honestly do not think many managers would've struggled to beat Sunderland Stoke and Boro with the players we had at our disposal. I just don't see us pushing on and fulfilling our actual potential under Pardew. That's a pretty ridiculous thing to say though isn't it? 'People are getting carried away because they were the best team in the country last year' What nonsense. Employee of the month is a good example of how someone can be both a winner and a loser at the same time.
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Horsham 24 Oct 16 11.53am

Originally posted by Mstrobez

Leicester on paper aren't better than us really. People are getting carried away because they won the league - would swap Fuchs with Kelly, Huth or Morgan with Damo and Mahrez with townsends but other than that I don't see any superiority "on paper". My biggest issue with Pardew is I don't see any improvement - if results were poor but you could see evidence of us evolving then fair enough but it's bulls*** in my opinion. Tactically we have looked completely lost for a long long time and we only ever seem to look good when we do the exact thing pardew supposedly wants to come away from which is sitting deep and nicking a couple by set pieces/on the break. The reason we are good at those things are because of the defensive foundations laid out by Pulis.

Under pardew, as time goes on, we look weaker and weaker at the back - regardless of injuries. It's all well and good saying you want to change the style of play but the goals we've scored this season have typically mainly been from set pieces or headers from Benteke. The only change I see is us looking more flimsy at the back.

My point is we should expect to win more games given players we've signed under him, if we go on a little 3 game run it's nice but I honestly do not think many managers would've struggled to beat Sunderland Stoke and Boro with the players we had at our disposal. I just don't see us pushing on and fulfilling our actual potential under Pardew.

That's a pretty ridiculous thing to say though isn't it?

'People are getting carried away because they were the best team in the country last year'

What nonsense.

Employee of the month is a good example of how someone can be both a winner and a loser at the same time.

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Mr_Flow London 24 Oct 16 12.33pm
I can see where the OP is coming from. However, we're sitting mid-table and until we start to drop down the league, I don't really think it's the time to start pointing the finger at the manager. I think the key thing here is expectation. What do people really expect and what would they regard as a good season? For me, avoiding a relegation battle and finishing 8-12 is a good season. We're on track to do that, so I think the team/manager is doing a good job. Also, we're a team that's in transition. On Saturday, we controlled the game for long periods, and with better finishing, it would have been a completely different game. For the past few seasons, we had one system and one way of playing. We also used to chase the game for the vast majority of it. It's refreshing to see us changing and we won't be the finished article overnight. I think we're pretty much on par for this season so far and hopefully this will continue.
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London 24 Oct 16 12.33pm

I can see where the OP is coming from. However, we're sitting mid-table and until we start to drop down the league, I don't really think it's the time to start pointing the finger at the manager.

I think the key thing here is expectation. What do people really expect and what would they regard as a good season? For me, avoiding a relegation battle and finishing 8-12 is a good season. We're on track to do that, so I think the team/manager is doing a good job.

Also, we're a team that's in transition. On Saturday, we controlled the game for long periods, and with better finishing, it would have been a completely different game. For the past few seasons, we had one system and one way of playing. We also used to chase the game for the vast majority of it. It's refreshing to see us changing and we won't be the finished article overnight.

I think we're pretty much on par for this season so far and hopefully this will continue.

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cpj Kent 24 Oct 16 12.53pm
Originally posted by Mr_Flow I can see where the OP is coming from. However, we're sitting mid-table and until we start to drop down the league, I don't really think it's the time to start pointing the finger at the manager. I think the key thing here is expectation. What do people really expect and what would they regard as a good season? For me, avoiding a relegation battle and finishing 8-12 is a good season. We're on track to do that, so I think the team/manager is doing a good job. Also, we're a team that's in transition. On Saturday, we controlled the game for long periods, and with better finishing, it would have been a completely different game. For the past few seasons, we had one system and one way of playing. We also used to chase the game for the vast majority of it. It's refreshing to see us changing and we won't be the finished article overnight. I think we're pretty much on par for this season so far and hopefully this will continue. We've conceded first in 7 of our 9 games and only scored in the first half in 2 of those - nothing has changed there.
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Kent 24 Oct 16 12.53pm

Originally posted by Mr_Flow

I can see where the OP is coming from. However, we're sitting mid-table and until we start to drop down the league, I don't really think it's the time to start pointing the finger at the manager.

Also, we're a team that's in transition. On Saturday, we controlled the game for long periods, and with better finishing, it would have been a completely different game. For the past few seasons, we had one system and one way of playing. We also used to chase the game for the vast majority of it. It's refreshing to see us changing and we won't be the finished article overnight.

I think we're pretty much on par for this season so far and hopefully this will continue.

We've conceded first in 7 of our 9 games and only scored in the first half in 2 of those - nothing has changed there.

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Mr_Flow London 24 Oct 16 12.56pm
Originally posted by cpj We've conceded first in 7 of our 9 games and only scored in the first half in 2 of those - nothing has changed there. I mean in terms of possession rather than conceding first.
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Mr_Flow

London 24 Oct 16 12.56pm

Originally posted by cpj

We've conceded first in 7 of our 9 games and only scored in the first half in 2 of those - nothing has changed there.

I mean in terms of possession rather than conceding first.

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JacksonEagle Croydon 24 Oct 16 1.13pm
Originally posted by Mr_Flow I mean in terms of possession rather than conceding first. I think that just proves how useless a statistic possession is...
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Croydon 24 Oct 16 1.13pm

Originally posted by Mr_Flow

I mean in terms of possession rather than conceding first.

I think that just proves how useless a statistic possession is...

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Painter Croydon 24 Oct 16 1.26pm
Originally posted by JacksonEagle I think that just proves how useless a statistic possession is... Goals are the only statistic worth reading.
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Croydon 24 Oct 16 1.26pm

Originally posted by JacksonEagle

I think that just proves how useless a statistic possession is...

Goals are the only statistic worth reading.

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KAOS In a tree 24 Oct 16 1.32pm
Originally posted by JacksonEagle I think that just proves how useless a statistic possession is... Yep agree
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KAOS

In a tree 24 Oct 16 1.32pm

Originally posted by JacksonEagle

I think that just proves how useless a statistic possession is...

Yep agree

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spartakev2 Anerley 24 Oct 16 1.37pm
I've got mixed feelings. If you look at the league table, the top five are in their own minI league, then you gave man u, Southampton and Everton who will finish above us which means best we can realistically hope for is 9th. We're currently one point off 9th in 11th so not to bad. on the down side, I think AP seriously messed up by not getting a good no.10 in the transfer market. We still look predictable using the wingers but have little threat going through the middle. Should also have bought a fullback...
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Anerley 24 Oct 16 1.37pm

I've got mixed feelings.
If you look at the league table, the top five are in their own minI league, then you gave man u, Southampton and Everton who will finish above us which means best we can realistically hope for is 9th. We're currently one point off 9th in 11th so not to bad.
on the down side, I think AP seriously messed up by not getting a good no.10 in the transfer market. We still look predictable using the wingers but have little threat going through the middle. Should also have bought a fullback...

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Maine Eagle USA 24 Oct 16 1.40pm
I agree with the folks on here who are somewhat alluding to "you get what you pay for". Even with Benteke up top we are an average prem side, we shouldn't go down but also shouldn't finish above 10th or so. Pardew is an average manager but the thing is we could definitely go up or down fortunes wise, with a new gaffer, so be careful what you wish for. The one thing that is very suspect with AP is initial tactical strategy and then the ability to adapt and change as the game plays out, he is pretty weak there, especially on the 2nd point. Trump lost. Badly. Hahahahahahaha.
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USA 24 Oct 16 1.40pm

I agree with the folks on here who are somewhat alluding to "you get what you pay for". Even with Benteke up top we are an average prem side, we shouldn't go down but also shouldn't finish above 10th or so. Pardew is an average manager but the thing is we could definitely go up or down fortunes wise, with a new gaffer, so be careful what you wish for. The one thing that is very suspect with AP is initial tactical strategy and then the ability to adapt and change as the game plays out, he is pretty weak there, especially on the 2nd point.

Trump lost. Badly. Hahahahahahaha.

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Painter Croydon 24 Oct 16 1.56pm
Originally posted by Maine Eagle I agree with the folks on here who are somewhat alluding to "you get what you pay for". Even with Benteke up top we are an average prem side, we shouldn't go down but also shouldn't finish above 10th or so. Pardew is an average manager but the thing is we could definitely go up or down fortunes wise, with a new gaffer, so be careful what you wish for. The one thing that is very suspect with AP is initial tactical strategy and then the ability to adapt and change as the game plays out, he is pretty weak there, especially on the 2nd point. If Pardew is an average manager, who do you think is above average, that we could realistically attract? Like it or not we are an average Premier side and likely to be whoever is the manager.
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Croydon 24 Oct 16 1.56pm

Originally posted by Maine Eagle

If Pardew is an average manager, who do you think is above average, that we could realistically attract?
Like it or not we are an average Premier side and likely to be whoever is the manager.

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rikz Croydon 24 Oct 16 2.21pm
The thing is we wasn't even that bad, Leicester were better and deserved the 3 points but the only real difference is they took their chances and we didn't, was not really much different pardew could of done. If you want to pick faults with anyone then it's the players on the pitch on sat for not taking our chances. AP is a good fit for where we are as a club right now.
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rikz

Croydon 24 Oct 16 2.21pm

The thing is we wasn't even that bad, Leicester were better and deserved the 3 points but the only real difference is they took their chances and we didn't, was not really much different pardew could of done.

If you want to pick faults with anyone then it's the players on the pitch on sat for not taking our chances.

AP is a good fit for where we are as a club right now.

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EverybodyDannsNow SE19 24 Oct 16 2.27pm
Originally posted by Mstrobez Or will we be branded as "fake fans" and "bed wetters". The smugness from some fans was almost as cringeworthy as the smugness from himself after beating stoke Sunderland and Boro. In the last 31 (yes, 31) games we've won 5 - that includes the 3 mentioned above. Someone please make a case given our first 11, which genuinely has quality, that that is good enough. All this "team in transition" is aload of turd as well. When we win games like we did against stoke it's because of the players we have on the pitch and the fact Pardew likes high intensity and power. Besides that he is clearly tactically inept - I thought that even when we were on a good run. Expecting to get a fair bit of abuse and contemplated saying anything but in fairness I don't really care - some people really need to wake up. Edited by Mstrobez (23 Oct 2016 4.48pm) Erm, could it be that a number of members of the talented first 11 you mentioned, weren't here for the majority of that 31 game run? We're mid-table a quarter of the way through the season - to want to 'slate' your manager for that is pathetic. Also, if you honestly can't see a transition in how we're trying to play this season, I'd have to question whether you're actually watching the games - you can question Pardew's decision to implement it, but to suggest it's not happening is just being dishonest.
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Originally posted by Mstrobez

Or will we be branded as "fake fans" and "bed wetters".

The smugness from some fans was almost as cringeworthy as the smugness from himself after beating stoke Sunderland and Boro.

In the last 31 (yes, 31) games we've won 5 - that includes the 3 mentioned above.

Someone please make a case given our first 11, which genuinely has quality, that that is good enough.

All this "team in transition" is aload of turd as well. When we win games like we did against stoke it's because of the players we have on the pitch and the fact Pardew likes high intensity and power. Besides that he is clearly tactically inept - I thought that even when we were on a good run.

Expecting to get a fair bit of abuse and contemplated saying anything but in fairness I don't really care - some people really need to wake up.

Edited by Mstrobez (23 Oct 2016 4.48pm)

Erm, could it be that a number of members of the talented first 11 you mentioned, weren't here for the majority of that 31 game run?

We're mid-table a quarter of the way through the season - to want to 'slate' your manager for that is pathetic.

Also, if you honestly can't see a transition in how we're trying to play this season, I'd have to question whether you're actually watching the games - you can question Pardew's decision to implement it, but to suggest it's not happening is just being dishonest.

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