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johnfirewall 13 Oct 16 4.01pm
We should work out where every bomb or bullet came from and allocate refugees accordingly although that ignores the fact that they're already away from said munitions in France. Conveniently the French also overlook that along with all the luvvies visiting them. It's worth noting that reprisals against our military action in the form of terrorism are also par for the course according to those on the left so this outpouring of guilt strikes me purely as a symptom of the middle-class condition. The 'why' seems a bit simplistic to me and, as is the case with many such ideals the 'what' is pretty flawed when broken down in to any detail. My guess would be that what they want for the refugees is a better life in which case I don't think they should be relying on those without the luxury of millions of pounds from sh1t songs and nepotism to be providing it. Perhaps the backlash against her is harsh but we'd all be happier to see her sticking her hand in her pocket and might even be inclined to do so ourselves. A friend went to the Jungle and said it was full of clueless rich kids belonging to projects which offered a lot less than what he provided, which was a bit of graft with a hammer and nails. I notice Sarah Parish and her husband are building a paadiatric hospital for the entire south of England! How about these other idiots get together and actually do something other than issue egotistical misplaced apologies based on their own sense of guilt?
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13 Oct 16 4.01pm

We should work out where every bomb or bullet came from and allocate refugees accordingly although that ignores the fact that they're already away from said munitions in France. Conveniently the French also overlook that along with all the luvvies visiting them.

It's worth noting that reprisals against our military action in the form of terrorism are also par for the course according to those on the left so this outpouring of guilt strikes me purely as a symptom of the middle-class condition.

The 'why' seems a bit simplistic to me and, as is the case with many such ideals the 'what' is pretty flawed when broken down in to any detail.

My guess would be that what they want for the refugees is a better life in which case I don't think they should be relying on those without the luxury of millions of pounds from sh1t songs and nepotism to be providing it.

Perhaps the backlash against her is harsh but we'd all be happier to see her sticking her hand in her pocket and might even be inclined to do so ourselves. A friend went to the Jungle and said it was full of clueless rich kids belonging to projects which offered a lot less than what he provided, which was a bit of graft with a hammer and nails.

I notice Sarah Parish and her husband are building a paadiatric hospital for the entire south of England! How about these other idiots get together and actually do something other than issue egotistical misplaced apologies based on their own sense of guilt?

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becky over the moon 13 Oct 16 4.04pm
Originally posted by bubble wrap Excellent Hoof. Women know your limits!! Personally think that the majority of the men in politics are weak and have no bollocks so women around them feel a little empowered and are given a little responsability to be politically correct and try and win female votes. Lets face it if they put Katie Price or Holly Willoby us as leader most women would vote for them. As for Lily Allen i bet she has a new Album or Book coming out and just seeking publicity to make some more money to fund her Habits. She doesnt make me Smile anymore. Like F**K I, or any other woman I know would. If we are going to slate Lily Allen for speaking on behalf of the English nation when she has no authority to so do, I think we should be looking at red cards for men making stupid generalisations about the intellectual abilities of all females (particularly since many may well be superior to his own)....... A stairway to Heaven and a Highway to Hell give some indication of expected traffic numbers
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over the moon 13 Oct 16 4.04pm

Originally posted by bubble wrap

Excellent Hoof. Women know your limits!!
Personally think that the majority of the men in politics are weak and have no bollocks so women around them feel a little empowered and are given a little responsability to be politically correct and try and win female votes. Lets face it if they put Katie Price or Holly Willoby us as leader most women would vote for them. As for Lily Allen i bet she has a new Album or Book coming out and just seeking publicity to make some more money to fund her Habits. She doesnt make me Smile anymore.

Like F**K I, or any other woman I know would.

If we are going to slate Lily Allen for speaking on behalf of the English nation when she has no authority to so do, I think we should be looking at red cards for men making stupid generalisations about the intellectual abilities of all females (particularly since many may well be superior to his own).......

A stairway to Heaven and a Highway to Hell give some indication of expected traffic numbers

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Y Ddraig Goch In The Crowd 13 Oct 16 4.43pm
Originally posted by DanH Buzzing that people are genuinely more annoyed about a C list pop star going to visit some refugees and showing a bit too much emotion than our currency being worth less than it ever has in our lifetimes. The modern world is a weird place. Edited by DanH (13 Oct 2016 2.13pm) Not if you lived through the 70s the dignified don't even enter in the game
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In The Crowd 13 Oct 16 4.43pm

Originally posted by DanH

Buzzing that people are genuinely more annoyed about a C list pop star going to visit some refugees and showing a bit too much emotion than our currency being worth less than it ever has in our lifetimes.

The modern world is a weird place.

Edited by DanH (13 Oct 2016 2.13pm)

Not if you lived through the 70s

the dignified don't even enter in the game

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bubble wrap Carparks in South East London 13 Oct 16 5.07pm
Originally posted by becky Like F**K I, or any other woman I know would. If we are going to slate Lily Allen for speaking on behalf of the English nation when she has no authority to so do, I think we should be looking at red cards for men making stupid generalisations about the intellectual abilities of all females (particularly since many may well be superior to his own)....... Calm down dear, was only a little banter and what does generalisations about the intellectual abilities mean, you confused me with those long words and my wifes out so she cannot tell me what it means.
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Carparks in South East London 13 Oct 16 5.07pm

Originally posted by becky

Like F**K I, or any other woman I know would.

Calm down dear, was only a little banter and what does generalisations about the intellectual abilities mean, you confused me with those long words and my wifes out so she cannot tell me what it means.

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Southampton_Eagle At the after party 13 Oct 16 5.29pm
Originally posted by JohnyBoy Agreed. They say empathy is the highest form of human intelligence so well done Lily and thank you for speaking for atleast some of the British...Fa4age's empathy towards Donald is not really comparable Last year i found out (by some incredible genetic tests) that on my fathers maternal line we were descended (albeit from maybe 1000 years ago) from Syria so now when i read of young Syrian kids dying crossing the Med, my sense of dismay at their plight and guilt over whether i could be doing more to help is magnified. You could always do more, I expect the Red Cross are crying out for people to be in Syria doing humanitarian work...
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Originally posted by JohnyBoy

Agreed. They say empathy is the highest form of human intelligence so well done Lily and thank you for speaking for atleast some of the British...Fa4age's empathy towards Donald is not really comparable
Last year i found out (by some incredible genetic tests) that on my fathers maternal line we were descended (albeit from maybe 1000 years ago) from Syria so now when i read of young Syrian kids dying crossing the Med, my sense of dismay at their plight and guilt over whether i could be doing more to help is magnified.

You could always do more, I expect the Red Cross are crying out for people to be in Syria doing humanitarian work...

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JohnyBoy 13 Oct 16 6.02pm
Originally posted by Southampton_Eagle You could always do more, I expect the Red Cross are crying out for people to be in Syria doing humanitarian work... Fyi i do volunteer for a refugee charity - voices in exile....alongside work for the house project (local foodbanks). The refugee charity was very eye opening (and personally rewarding) and i will endeavour to do more. Because i get as much reward as those who benefit from the charities i dont claim moral superiority and dont expect others to volunteer but i personally applaud lily for taking the time to find out for herself, although she perhaps could have been more aware of the feelings of many british people towards refugees in her comments
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13 Oct 16 6.02pm

Originally posted by Southampton_Eagle

You could always do more, I expect the Red Cross are crying out for people to be in Syria doing humanitarian work...

Fyi i do volunteer for a refugee charity - voices in exile....alongside work for the house project (local foodbanks). The refugee charity was very eye opening (and personally rewarding) and i will endeavour to do more. Because i get as much reward as those who benefit from the charities i dont claim moral superiority and dont expect others to volunteer but i personally applaud lily for taking the time to find out for herself, although she perhaps could have been more aware of the feelings of many british people towards refugees in her comments

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Henry of Peckham Eton Mess 13 Oct 16 6.58pm
Originally posted by Kermit8 The reason the refugees aim for the UK/Germany is, I gather, because they believe they will face less racism and outright hostility there. I thought it was head for Germany if you wanted a job. Plenty of opportunities because the Germans need to keep their vast industrial machine moving. Why here I am not so sure. Possibly our language and they think we would be less hostile, but they would also be aware we have free health care and a relatively generous benefits system. That must sound like Utopia to them. Denial is not just a river in Egypt
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Originally posted by Kermit8
The reason the refugees aim for the UK/Germany is, I gather, because they believe they will face less racism and outright hostility there.

I thought it was head for Germany if you wanted a job. Plenty of opportunities because the Germans need to keep their vast industrial machine moving.

Why here I am not so sure. Possibly our language and they think we would be less hostile, but they would also be aware we have free health care and a relatively generous benefits system. That must sound like Utopia to them.

Denial is not just a river in Egypt

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Kermit8 Hevon 13 Oct 16 7.01pm
Originally posted by Henry of Peckham I thought it was head for Germany if you wanted a job. Plenty of opportunities because the Germans need to keep their vast industrial machine moving. Why here I am not so sure. Possibly our language and they think we would be less hostile, but they would also be aware we have free health care and a relatively generous benefits system. That must sound like Utopia to them. I would think Utopia would be have their dead family members and friends back and to be living in peace in their own home in their own land. Well that isn't going to happen in Syria so they are doing the right thing for them. Good luck to 'em. Big chest and massive boobs [Link]
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Hevon 13 Oct 16 7.01pm

Originally posted by Henry of Peckham

I thought it was head for Germany if you wanted a job. Plenty of opportunities because the Germans need to keep their vast industrial machine moving.

I would think Utopia would be have their dead family members and friends back and to be living in peace in their own home in their own land.

Well that isn't going to happen in Syria so they are doing the right thing for them. Good luck to 'em.

Big chest and massive boobs

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Part Time James 13 Oct 16 7.04pm
I'm sure it was on this forum a while back that somebody posted some stats proving it was a bit of a fallacy that Britain was an attractive prospect for migrants. On nearly every category we were one of the worst options there was for migrants or asylum seekers (I can't remember which the stats related to if I'm honest). I mention this without this particular comment expressing a desire for or against mass immigration in this country, just that there were some interesting stats out there.
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I'm sure it was on this forum a while back that somebody posted some stats proving it was a bit of a fallacy that Britain was an attractive prospect for migrants. On nearly every category we were one of the worst options there was for migrants or asylum seekers (I can't remember which the stats related to if I'm honest). I mention this without this particular comment expressing a desire for or against mass immigration in this country, just that there were some interesting stats out there.

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Spiderman Horsham 13 Oct 16 7.37pm
Originally posted by Alex1991 Do you not think that they are told by agents who take their money to get them into Europe that they should come to UK ? Or that they have family here ? Or there are rumours about how good life actually is here ? Some of them probably have to come here because they need to work off the the rest of their debt. Frankly 3000 people distributed across the country is a drop in the ocean and if the French authorities aren't going to deal with them, particularly the children, then we should. The lack of empathy around this situation, I find quite astonishing. Dont forget all the relatives that will then need to join them. A lot of the "children" are well into their twenties (I have first hand experience) so please dont believe everything the BBC tell you.
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Horsham 13 Oct 16 7.37pm

Originally posted by Alex1991

Do you not think that they are told by agents who take their money to get them into Europe that they should come to UK ? Or that they have family here ? Or there are rumours about how good life actually is here ? Some of them probably have to come here because they need to work off the the rest of their debt. Frankly 3000 people distributed across the country is a drop in the ocean and if the French authorities aren't going to deal with them, particularly the children, then we should.

The lack of empathy around this situation, I find quite astonishing.

Dont forget all the relatives that will then need to join them. A lot of the "children" are well into their twenties (I have first hand experience) so please dont believe everything the BBC tell you.

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Spiderman Horsham 13 Oct 16 7.48pm
Originally posted by jamiemartin721 Well if I'd fled violence and the threat of death, only to end up somewhere where I was exposed to violence and the threat of death, I'd probably move on. I don't think its unreasonable for people a) to become refugees b) other countries to provide safe haven and asylum in fact I think its the duty of safe countries to protect and provide sanctuary where ever possible. Its irresponsible to just wait until they turn up on your doorstep. Better to resolve the problems at source. We should have been taking Syrian refugees, from the camps, years ago, rather than letting a humanitarian crisis mount up. Instead we were busy maximising profits for corporations using immigration as a means of driving down labour costs to companies. The UK has never had a problem with Asylum (the numbers have almost always fallen under the emigration figures). First point.. there is a difference between asylum seekers/refugess and Economic Migrants. It is not our duty to take any Economic Migrant who wishes to live here. The Geneva Convention states that a refugee should seek asylum in the FIRST safe country they encounter..how many in the "jungle" have done this. Second point... there are the Official figures and then there are the correct figures!! I will leave you to think about this.
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721

Well if I'd fled violence and the threat of death, only to end up somewhere where I was exposed to violence and the threat of death, I'd probably move on.

I don't think its unreasonable for people a) to become refugees b) other countries to provide safe haven and asylum in fact I think its the duty of safe countries to protect and provide sanctuary where ever possible.

Its irresponsible to just wait until they turn up on your doorstep. Better to resolve the problems at source. We should have been taking Syrian refugees, from the camps, years ago, rather than letting a humanitarian crisis mount up. Instead we were busy maximising profits for corporations using immigration as a means of driving down labour costs to companies.

The UK has never had a problem with Asylum (the numbers have almost always fallen under the emigration figures).

First point.. there is a difference between asylum seekers/refugess and Economic Migrants. It is not our duty to take any Economic Migrant who wishes to live here. The Geneva Convention states that a refugee should seek asylum in the FIRST safe country they encounter..how many in the "jungle" have done this.
Second point... there are the Official figures and then there are the correct figures!! I will leave you to think about this.

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Hoof Hearted 14 Oct 16 9.27am
Originally posted by DanH Buzzing that people are genuinely more annoyed about a C list pop star going to visit some refugees and showing a bit too much emotion than our currency being worth less than it ever has in our lifetimes. The modern world is a weird place. Edited by DanH (13 Oct 2016 2.13pm) Not in my lifetime Dan..... [Link] Check out the above chart showing historical exchange rates since 1953 (I was born in 1954). As you can see the £ has been as low as $1.04 Going back to 1953... the rate was unbelievably $2.81 The modern world is no weirder than the 50's mate!
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Hoof Hearted 14 Oct 16 9.27am

Originally posted by DanH

Buzzing that people are genuinely more annoyed about a C list pop star going to visit some refugees and showing a bit too much emotion than our currency being worth less than it ever has in our lifetimes.

The modern world is a weird place.

Edited by DanH (13 Oct 2016 2.13pm)

Not in my lifetime Dan.....

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Check out the above chart showing historical exchange rates since 1953 (I was born in 1954).

As you can see the £ has been as low as $1.04

Going back to 1953... the rate was unbelievably $2.81

The modern world is no weirder than the 50's mate!

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