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Alex1991 Ashford 07 Jul 16 10.10pm | |
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Originally posted by grumpymort
This sort of thing happens to white people as well but it's not really a story but when a black man gets shot it's like the end of the world has come. Unless the culture and attitude changes over there it wont get any better every joe doesn't need a gun while walking around the streets when I was there it freaked me out. Please link a story where an unarmed white person was shot. There are some, but the amount is disproportionate.
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Alex1991 Ashford 07 Jul 16 10.29pm | |
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The story in question, the guy is pinned to the floor by 2 officers. If they are seriously worried about him shooting them, then why not pop off rounds into his arms or hands. The cop shot him in the head FFS ! That's not minimising your risk, that's murder. And you are more likely to end up in this situation if you are black. Please watch the video below. This is the arrest of a white male suspected of murdering 9 people. Another guy has been killed today when reaching for his license, cop put 4 rounds in him while he sat in the car. And he was a LICENSED gun carrier. But he was also black. Guns are bad, more people will die if there are guns involved but you can't say that it only becomes a news story or gets blown out of proportion when it's a black person. The fact is black people are far more likely to be victims of police brutality. And if this happened to a white person the uproar would be so far beyond anything we've seen so far. Edited by Alex1991 (07 Jul 2016 10.30pm) Edited by Alex1991 (07 Jul 2016 10.32pm)
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7mins In the bush 08 Jul 16 12.36am | |
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Originally posted by grumpymort
This sort of thing happens to white people as well but it's not really a story but when a black man gets shot it's like the end of the world has come. Unless the culture and attitude changes over there it wont get any better every joe doesn't need a gun while walking around the streets when I was there it freaked me out. ...and Latinos. I think it's more to do with poverty than skin colour.
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twist Miami, Florida 08 Jul 16 5.08am | |
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3 cops in Dallas killed by sniper during protests, 7 other cops injured Police here are generally not ready culturally to deal with black people. They see a black guy, gold chains, dreadlocks and they see a thug instead of a regular joe just going about his business. There have been plenty of instances in the past 12 months of cops shooting white folks without apparent provocation, but its not covered as much simply because it doe snot generate nearly as much interest, sadly enough. This DVD selling guy was wrestled to the ground by the 2 cops, thats not an issue as they had gotten a report he was packing and he refused their commands. But then they just plain murdered him on the ground, and THEN pulled the guys gun out of his pocket. Conveniently both cops body cams "fell off", but you have 2 cell phone accounts, 1 CCTV from the store(taken by police) and 2 very close to the scene eye witnesses. The guy in the car shot 4 times whilst 2 women in the car, was reaching for his ID as asked for by the cop. He was legally packing and the cop must have seen something and he just pulled the trigger...4 times, without the guy ever actually pulling out a weapon. Cops do have it tough in this country because of the gun laws, but many of these cops are not mentally equipped to deal with it, and will pull the trigger the moment they get whiff of possible danger.
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Bekken 08 Jul 16 8.19am | |
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I'm a bit naive but I hate the way it's reported, forget that he's black and the cops are white, he was basically murdered in cold blood. The media stress the race thing and it heightens the tension now 5 cops are dead - are they reporting what colour they are? There's a suspect in custody why don't they say a black suspect or white suspect? The country is proper f***ed up but the media really don't help...
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Kermit8 Hevon 08 Jul 16 8.49am | |
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Originally posted by Bekken
I'm a bit naive but I hate the way it's reported, forget that he's black and the cops are white, he was basically murdered in cold blood. The media stress the race thing and it heightens the tension now 5 cops are dead - are they reporting what colour they are? There's a suspect in custody why don't they say a black suspect or white suspect? The country is proper f***ed up but the media really don't help... That's a fair point. There is a narrative going on for sure. Two thirds of people killed by cops are white and a third black. The latter however make up a much smaller percentage of the population though disproportionately commit more crime. What would be interesting would be the manner of all the shootings. If white guys are killed like that black guy after being pulled over for a broken light, for example. Or pinned down then shot. Analyse that and that would give us the answer as to whether some of these killer cops do it out of racism. This kind of thing was going on in London in the 70's and early 80's but with beatings rather than guns. A fair few black kids were killed by the Met. Brixton nick was not somewhere you'd want to be overnight at the weekend in 1980 if you had Caribbean heritage. Edited by Kermit8 (08 Jul 2016 8.53am)
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npn Crowborough 08 Jul 16 9.04am | |
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Originally posted by Alex1991
Please link a story where an unarmed white person was shot. There are some, but the amount is disproportionate. 5 minutes on Google (and slightly trickier because they tend to just be reported as "police kill unarmed man" rather than mentioning race when it's a white person: It's a knock on of the American gun culture. If you're a policeman in the UK, you can be reasonably confident the people you stop have never touched a gun, so it's not likely to be uppermost in your mind that every stop you make is a life threatening situation for you (and, of course, even if it were, you're not typically carrying a gun yourself). A sad situation for all involved - I wouldn't want to be a cop in that situation, and I wouldn't want to be shot by one either!
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7mins In the bush 08 Jul 16 9.36am | |
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Originally posted by npn
5 minutes on Google (and slightly trickier because they tend to just be reported as "police kill unarmed man" rather than mentioning race when it's a white person: It's a knock on of the American gun culture. If you're a policeman in the UK, you can be reasonably confident the people you stop have never touched a gun, so it's not likely to be uppermost in your mind that every stop you make is a life threatening situation for you (and, of course, even if it were, you're not typically carrying a gun yourself). A sad situation for all involved - I wouldn't want to be a cop in that situation, and I wouldn't want to be shot by one either! I genuinely think news outlets want audience numbers not at all interested in real journalism. My family in America (all black) don't feel like they're gonna be shot by the police when pulled over. Eric Garner = murder, Trayvon = murder. Michael Brown... Justified killing, the silly sod robbed a store then attacked a copper. The Anton Stirling fella... Justified.... He had a history of violence, just threatened to shoot someone and when being arrested he reached for his gun.., now some in America think he may have been trying to get rid of the gun because he was on probation and would be doing jail time if it was found on him.., I don't care... If u reach for a gun when being arrested, you run the risk of being shot.
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Midlands Eagle 08 Jul 16 11.12am | |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
In my professional realm I hold myself to a very high standard, I thought you were a fulltime forum poster
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Alex1991 Ashford 08 Jul 16 11.14am | |
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Originally posted by npn
5 minutes on Google (and slightly trickier because they tend to just be reported as "police kill unarmed man" rather than mentioning race when it's a white person: It's a knock on of the American gun culture. If you're a policeman in the UK, you can be reasonably confident the people you stop have never touched a gun, so it's not likely to be uppermost in your mind that every stop you make is a life threatening situation for you (and, of course, even if it were, you're not typically carrying a gun yourself). A sad situation for all involved - I wouldn't want to be a cop in that situation, and I wouldn't want to be shot by one either! So 2 of those are about the same guy and one is from a clearly right wing news outlet who have an issue with "race baiters." It clearly does happen to white people too but you are more likely to be shot dead by police if you're a black person. That is an indisputable fact and the frequency with which it happens is why there are so many protests etc. There's an interesting video which I'll link below where US cops watch UK police dealing with a man armed with a machete (I believe). The UK police surround him, and disarm him without using weapons. The Americans comment during the video that "that guy would have been shot by now." I totally agree that it's a knock on off the general gun culture in the USA. It's so blatantly obvious that the less guns around the less people die due to them but when the laws are as they are the police have to adjust. But there is clearly a racial bias. Is there no way there can be a policy of shoot to disable instead of kill ? Or even retreating if they believe somebody to be armed and waiting for back up. There are also a host of non lethal weapons out there that could be used. This guy was killed reaching for his license, while he was complying with officers. He told them he had a gun which he was licensed to carry. He's dead. Young black men are nine times more likely to be killed by police than white men of the same age.
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Hrolf The Ganger 08 Jul 16 11.43am | |
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This will only make things worse.
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7mins In the bush 08 Jul 16 12.34pm | |
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FBI stats kinda point towards why blacks have more interaction with cops than whites.
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