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jamiemartin721 Reading 11 Dec 15 9.24am
Quote Ouzo Dan at 11 Dec 2015 12.16am Quote jamiemartin721 at 10 Dec 2015 1.27pm Quote Ouzo Dan at 10 Dec 2015 1.08pm There are plenty of passages in the Quran that condone violence against believers and non believer's alike. All this talk of Islam being a religion of peace is of course bollocks & for people to insist otherwise are trying to cover some pretty sizeable cracks, it also doesnt help anyone. What is wrong with calling a spade a spade? Islam is a violent & aggressive religion, the text is there in the book. There isnt some kind of Quran 2 for ISIS, Boko Haram etc they read the same Quran as everyone else, they read the damn thing day & night over & over again & I would absolutely guarantee they know the text alot better than anyone claiming you aint no muslim bruv. Hundreds of thousands if not millions of muslims (many being highly educated doctors, engineers, mechanics etc) support the creation of the caliphate, that makes them just as complicit as those who commit the murders. I do actually have some sympathy for Trump, there was no outrage when Iranians were banned in the US & its not really any different to Eastern euro countries saying they will only take Christian refugees. Its the problem of religion and fundamentalism especially, because it promotes the rejection of context, a phase becomes truth and the only truth, by its existence, and the extrapolation of that truth is placed in the authority of individuals, who's agendas are not spiritual. Its like Christian Fundamentalists attacking abortion clinics, there isn't really any way you could read the bible and think, you know what, that's would Jesus wants. They just pick and emphasis what fits their agenda, and ignore the rest. Groups like IS and Boko Harem are just the extreme manifestation of this kind of political machination of Religion (similar to that of Iran). Like anything, religion can be a tool for peace or violence, dependent on the person 'reading the book'. The reality of such groups is that their intentions aren't really driven by religion or spirituality, but are about power, status and control. The IS Caliphate is not about Islam, its about creating a 'country over which IS has dominance' same ultimately as that of the Iranian Revolution - Neither fosters the theological spiritual development of individual muslims, but the control of those people for the benefit of a few. Which certainly isn't what Mohammed was preaching. You give the Quran far too much credibility, the Quran IS the final word from God, that in itself is extremely threatening, we haven't even opened the book yet & this particular work of fiction is throwing context out the window. I happen to disagree with your comments about the caliphate not being about Islam, it's at the very core of Islam & it's why thousands flood to Syria/Iraq to fight & why millions around the world cheer it on. Edited by Ouzo Dan (11 Dec 2015 12.17am) I don't actually agree with the idea a Caliphate necessarily, its not really my business how people in a foreign country choose to live - I do however object to IS and its ideology of a caliphate. Therein lies the problem in a nutshell, not the Quran, not Islam or Muslims, but people and the stupidity of people in believing in any absolute truth. The same applies really to any idea as being 'true by default' even when the actual text is somewhat more vague (the statements about alcohol in Islam is a great example - at no point does it forbid alcohol, the very words of the prophet are more akin to a warning about alcohol's effects on the clarity of the mind. Of course IS is also being fought by Muslims against the caliphate, and plenty of Muslims are also fleeing the caliphate as well - so its not really as clear cut. The problem of religion is and always has been people using it as a means for political and social control of others - Especially the monotheistic faiths. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Quote Ouzo Dan at 10 Dec 2015 1.08pm

There are plenty of passages in the Quran that condone violence against believers and non believer's alike. All this talk of Islam being a religion of peace is of course bollocks & for people to insist otherwise are trying to cover some pretty sizeable cracks, it also doesnt help anyone.

What is wrong with calling a spade a spade? Islam is a violent & aggressive religion, the text is there in the book.

There isnt some kind of Quran 2 for ISIS, Boko Haram etc they read the same Quran as everyone else, they read the damn thing day & night over & over again & I would absolutely guarantee they know the text alot better than anyone claiming you aint no muslim bruv.

Hundreds of thousands if not millions of muslims (many being highly educated doctors, engineers, mechanics etc) support the creation of the caliphate, that makes them just as complicit as those who commit the murders.

I do actually have some sympathy for Trump, there was no outrage when Iranians were banned in the US & its not really any different to Eastern euro countries saying they will only take Christian refugees.

Its the problem of religion and fundamentalism especially, because it promotes the rejection of context, a phase becomes truth and the only truth, by its existence, and the extrapolation of that truth is placed in the authority of individuals, who's agendas are not spiritual.

Its like Christian Fundamentalists attacking abortion clinics, there isn't really any way you could read the bible and think, you know what, that's would Jesus wants. They just pick and emphasis what fits their agenda, and ignore the rest.

Groups like IS and Boko Harem are just the extreme manifestation of this kind of political machination of Religion (similar to that of Iran).

Like anything, religion can be a tool for peace or violence, dependent on the person 'reading the book'. The reality of such groups is that their intentions aren't really driven by religion or spirituality, but are about power, status and control.

The IS Caliphate is not about Islam, its about creating a 'country over which IS has dominance' same ultimately as that of the Iranian Revolution - Neither fosters the theological spiritual development of individual muslims, but the control of those people for the benefit of a few.

Which certainly isn't what Mohammed was preaching.

You give the Quran far too much credibility, the Quran IS the final word from God, that in itself is extremely threatening, we haven't even opened the book yet & this particular work of fiction is throwing context out the window.

I happen to disagree with your comments about the caliphate not being about Islam, it's at the very core of Islam & it's why thousands flood to Syria/Iraq to fight & why millions around the world cheer it on.

Edited by Ouzo Dan (11 Dec 2015 12.17am)

I don't actually agree with the idea a Caliphate necessarily, its not really my business how people in a foreign country choose to live - I do however object to IS and its ideology of a caliphate.

Therein lies the problem in a nutshell, not the Quran, not Islam or Muslims, but people and the stupidity of people in believing in any absolute truth. The same applies really to any idea as being 'true by default' even when the actual text is somewhat more vague (the statements about alcohol in Islam is a great example - at no point does it forbid alcohol, the very words of the prophet are more akin to a warning about alcohol's effects on the clarity of the mind.

Of course IS is also being fought by Muslims against the caliphate, and plenty of Muslims are also fleeing the caliphate as well - so its not really as clear cut.

The problem of religion is and always has been people using it as a means for political and social control of others - Especially the monotheistic faiths.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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jamiemartin721 Reading 11 Dec 15 9.31am
Quote NickRobinson at 10 Dec 2015 7.14pm Quote jamiemartin721 at 10 Dec 2015 4.19pm Quote Ouzo Dan at 10 Dec 2015 1.08pm There are plenty of passages in the Quran that condone violence against believers and non believer's alike. All this talk of Islam being a religion of peace is of course bollocks & for people to insist otherwise are trying to cover some pretty sizeable cracks, it also doesnt help anyone. What is wrong with calling a spade a spade? Islam is a violent & aggressive religion, the text is there in the book. There isnt some kind of Quran 2 for ISIS, Boko Haram etc they read the same Quran as everyone else, they read the damn thing day & night over & over again & I would absolutely guarantee they know the text alot better than anyone claiming you aint no muslim bruv. Hundreds of thousands if not millions of muslims (many being highly educated doctors, engineers, mechanics etc) support the creation of the caliphate, that makes them just as complicit as those who commit the murders. I do actually have some sympathy for Trump, there was no outrage when Iranians were banned in the US & its not really any different to Eastern euro countries saying they will only take Christian refugees. I don't necessarily think the idea of a caliphate is necessarily wrong, it doesn't automatically follow that a caliphate is the same as supporting IS view of the caliphate. Of course I think its a load of old bollocks, but I'm neither a resident of the middle east nor a Muslim. My concern would be with seeing ISIS as a caliphate or anykind of legitimate regime. I'm a Marxist, pretty much, and on some level believe in the ideals of Marxism, but not at the price and cost incurred by Lennin, Mao or Pol Pot. So you reject one load of old bollocks yet embrace another. The likes of Lenin, Mao and Pol Pot are inevitable products of Marxism. Marxism is also an inevitable product of capitalism, as its a dialectic criticism of the excess of capitalism. But I'd point to the same issue with religion, the problem isn't actually Marxism and Marxist theory, but when people try to co-opt it towards their own goals as a means of controlling people and as a single source of truth. The important thing of anything isn't that its true, but what you can learn about the world from what others have written and observed. Lenin and Mao, for me, betrayed Marxism almost immediately by targeting the population for the own goals, rather than the collective needs of the people. Any cause where you're effectively murdering people you are supposed to represent is a historical dead end. The work of Marx and Engels on the plight of the working classes of their era are very valid observations of inequality and suppression by the means of capital, and a consequence of that is also the Labour and Trade Union movements. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Reading 11 Dec 15 9.31am

Quote NickRobinson at 10 Dec 2015 7.14pm

Quote jamiemartin721 at 10 Dec 2015 4.19pm

Quote Ouzo Dan at 10 Dec 2015 1.08pm

What is wrong with calling a spade a spade? Islam is a violent & aggressive religion, the text is there in the book.

I don't necessarily think the idea of a caliphate is necessarily wrong, it doesn't automatically follow that a caliphate is the same as supporting IS view of the caliphate. Of course I think its a load of old bollocks, but I'm neither a resident of the middle east nor a Muslim.

My concern would be with seeing ISIS as a caliphate or anykind of legitimate regime.

I'm a Marxist, pretty much, and on some level believe in the ideals of Marxism, but not at the price and cost incurred by Lennin, Mao or Pol Pot.

So you reject one load of old bollocks yet embrace another. The likes of Lenin, Mao and Pol Pot are inevitable products of Marxism.

Marxism is also an inevitable product of capitalism, as its a dialectic criticism of the excess of capitalism. But I'd point to the same issue with religion, the problem isn't actually Marxism and Marxist theory, but when people try to co-opt it towards their own goals as a means of controlling people and as a single source of truth.

The important thing of anything isn't that its true, but what you can learn about the world from what others have written and observed. Lenin and Mao, for me, betrayed Marxism almost immediately by targeting the population for the own goals, rather than the collective needs of the people. Any cause where you're effectively murdering people you are supposed to represent is a historical dead end.

The work of Marx and Engels on the plight of the working classes of their era are very valid observations of inequality and suppression by the means of capital, and a consequence of that is also the Labour and Trade Union movements.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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Hoof Hearted 11 Dec 15 10.52am
Quote Superfly at 10 Dec 2015 1.11pm I'm sure most christians don't actually act out the below orders, but we'd best ban them from the UK. Just in case. Deuteronomy 17 If there be found among you, within any of thy gates which the LORD thy God giveth thee, man or woman, that hath wrought wickedness in the sight of the LORD thy God, in transgressing his covenant; 17:3 And hath gone and served other gods, and worshipped them, either the sun, or moon, or any of the host of heaven, which I have not commanded; 17:4 And it be told thee, and thou hast heard of it, and enquired diligently, and, behold, it be true, and the thing certain, that such abomination is wrought in Israel; 17:5 Then shalt thou bring forth that man or that woman, which have committed that wicked thing, unto thy gates, even that man or that woman, and shalt stone them with stones, till they die. I can't confirm that text is actually in the Bible as I don't own one but I don't doubt it is Superfly as you're a straight up sort of guy. But read Ouzo Dan's post above about followers of Islam "religiously" following the Khoran's teachings as opposed to your average Christian that probably hasn't read half the Bible in his/her lifetime. Most likely he/she would know the Lords Prayer, a few parables, Psalm 23 and the 10 commandments. Your average Muslim knows the Khoran because they are tested on it by the Immams from the age of understanding. As I keep reminding everyone... it is a religion 500 years behind modern times and whereas other religions have moved on, more towards peace and harmony (ignoring ridiculous inflammatory stuff in their holy books) - Islam seems intent on a fight to the death to be top dog (god). Edited by Hoof Hearted (11 Dec 2015 10.55am)
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Quote Superfly at 10 Dec 2015 1.11pm

I'm sure most christians don't actually act out the below orders, but we'd best ban them from the UK. Just in case.

Deuteronomy 17
If there be found among you, within any of thy gates which the LORD thy God giveth thee, man or woman, that hath wrought wickedness in the sight of the LORD thy God, in transgressing his covenant; 17:3 And hath gone and served other gods, and worshipped them, either the sun, or moon, or any of the host of heaven, which I have not commanded; 17:4 And it be told thee, and thou hast heard of it, and enquired diligently, and, behold, it be true, and the thing certain, that such abomination is wrought in Israel; 17:5 Then shalt thou bring forth that man or that woman, which have committed that wicked thing, unto thy gates, even that man or that woman, and shalt stone them with stones, till they die.

I can't confirm that text is actually in the Bible as I don't own one but I don't doubt it is Superfly as you're a straight up sort of guy.

But read Ouzo Dan's post above about followers of Islam "religiously" following the Khoran's teachings as opposed to your average Christian that probably hasn't read half the Bible in his/her lifetime. Most likely he/she would know the Lords Prayer, a few parables, Psalm 23 and the 10 commandments.

Your average Muslim knows the Khoran because they are tested on it by the Immams from the age of understanding.

As I keep reminding everyone... it is a religion 500 years behind modern times and whereas other religions have moved on, more towards peace and harmony (ignoring ridiculous inflammatory stuff in their holy books) - Islam seems intent on a fight to the death to be top dog (god).

Edited by Hoof Hearted (11 Dec 2015 10.55am)

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Hoof Hearted 11 Dec 15 10.58am
Quote Mr_Gristle at 10 Dec 2015 1.57pm Quote Hoof Hearted at 10 Dec 2015 12.40pm Those people that disagree with Trump.... tell us your plans to avoid further bloodshed rather than sarky responses and abusive quips. Seriously... I'd love to know how you're going to ensure our safety! I'll have a go. Stop using IS as a convenient enemy to have and stop using their "terror threat" as a great excuse for domestic repression, surveillance, control and of course military spending. Stop arming them and their proxies, stop doing everything in the state's power to give into whatever the Arabian and Gulf elites want. Go after their "state", wipe them from the map with a proper conventional war. It really would be quite a straightforward task - mass leaflet drops warning civvies to get the hell out in plenty of time is also easy to do. I work in Central London, which of course is a prize target for reprisals. A short term risk of increased attacks versus a much reduced threat over the long term sounds good to me. Good reply Mr Gristle!
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Hoof Hearted 11 Dec 15 10.58am

Quote Mr_Gristle at 10 Dec 2015 1.57pm

Quote Hoof Hearted at 10 Dec 2015 12.40pm

Those people that disagree with Trump.... tell us your plans to avoid further bloodshed rather than sarky responses and abusive quips.

Seriously... I'd love to know how you're going to ensure our safety!

I'll have a go.

Stop using IS as a convenient enemy to have and stop using their "terror threat" as a great excuse for domestic repression, surveillance, control and of course military spending. Stop arming them and their proxies, stop doing everything in the state's power to give into whatever the Arabian and Gulf elites want.

Go after their "state", wipe them from the map with a proper conventional war. It really would be quite a straightforward task - mass leaflet drops warning civvies to get the hell out in plenty of time is also easy to do.

I work in Central London, which of course is a prize target for reprisals. A short term risk of increased attacks versus a much reduced threat over the long term sounds good to me.

Good reply Mr Gristle!

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Hoof Hearted 11 Dec 15 11.07am
Actually...... can I say well done to everyone for keeping this debate civil. Everyone has made their point without resorting to personal insults. I was pleasantly surprised to come back to this thread this morning and bearing in mind how much Trump divides opinion we've done well to keep this professional.
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Hoof Hearted 11 Dec 15 11.07am

Actually...... can I say well done to everyone for keeping this debate civil.

Everyone has made their point without resorting to personal insults.

I was pleasantly surprised to come back to this thread this morning and bearing in mind how much Trump divides opinion we've done well to keep this professional.

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Superfly The sun always shines in Catford 11 Dec 15 11.17am
Quote Hoof Hearted at 11 Dec 2015 10.52am Quote Superfly at 10 Dec 2015 1.11pm I'm sure most christians don't actually act out the below orders, but we'd best ban them from the UK. Just in case. Deuteronomy 17 If there be found among you, within any of thy gates which the LORD thy God giveth thee, man or woman, that hath wrought wickedness in the sight of the LORD thy God, in transgressing his covenant; 17:3 And hath gone and served other gods, and worshipped them, either the sun, or moon, or any of the host of heaven, which I have not commanded; 17:4 And it be told thee, and thou hast heard of it, and enquired diligently, and, behold, it be true, and the thing certain, that such abomination is wrought in Israel; 17:5 Then shalt thou bring forth that man or that woman, which have committed that wicked thing, unto thy gates, even that man or that woman, and shalt stone them with stones, till they die. I can't confirm that text is actually in the Bible as I don't own one but I don't doubt it is Superfly as you're a straight up sort of guy. But read Ouzo Dan's post above about followers of Islam "religiously" following the Khoran's teachings as opposed to your average Christian that probably hasn't read half the Bible in his/her lifetime. Most likely he/she would know the Lords Prayer, a few parables, Psalm 23 and the 10 commandments. Your average Muslim knows the Khoran because they are tested on it by the Immams from the age of understanding. As I keep reminding everyone... it is a religion 500 years behind modern times and whereas other religions have moved on, more towards peace and harmony (ignoring ridiculous inflammatory stuff in their holy books) - Islam seems intent on a fight to the death to be top dog (god). Edited by Hoof Hearted (11 Dec 2015 10.55am) I don't agree Hoof. Your average Muslim would take as much notice of holy directives to kill non believers as your average Christian. Your fundarmental Muslim is of course a different story and I'm led to believe, Muslims have the upper hand in numbers there. But it's still a tiny tiny proportion that it renders it alomost insignificant. The hatred that's being spread against Muslims scares me far more than any Muslim threat. Lend me a Tenor 31 May to 3 June 2017 John McIntosh Arts Centre London Oratory School SW6 1RX with Superfly in the chorus [Link]
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The sun always shines in Catford 11 Dec 15 11.17am

Quote Hoof Hearted at 11 Dec 2015 10.52am

Quote Superfly at 10 Dec 2015 1.11pm

I'm sure most christians don't actually act out the below orders, but we'd best ban them from the UK. Just in case.

I can't confirm that text is actually in the Bible as I don't own one but I don't doubt it is Superfly as you're a straight up sort of guy.

Your average Muslim knows the Khoran because they are tested on it by the Immams from the age of understanding.

Edited by Hoof Hearted (11 Dec 2015 10.55am)

I don't agree Hoof. Your average Muslim would take as much notice of holy directives to kill non believers as your average Christian.

Your fundarmental Muslim is of course a different story and I'm led to believe, Muslims have the upper hand in numbers there. But it's still a tiny tiny proportion that it renders it alomost insignificant.

The hatred that's being spread against Muslims scares me far more than any Muslim threat.

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Hoof Hearted 11 Dec 15 11.26am
Quote Superfly at 11 Dec 2015 11.17am Quote Hoof Hearted at 11 Dec 2015 10.52am Quote Superfly at 10 Dec 2015 1.11pm I'm sure most christians don't actually act out the below orders, but we'd best ban them from the UK. Just in case. Deuteronomy 17 If there be found among you, within any of thy gates which the LORD thy God giveth thee, man or woman, that hath wrought wickedness in the sight of the LORD thy God, in transgressing his covenant; 17:3 And hath gone and served other gods, and worshipped them, either the sun, or moon, or any of the host of heaven, which I have not commanded; 17:4 And it be told thee, and thou hast heard of it, and enquired diligently, and, behold, it be true, and the thing certain, that such abomination is wrought in Israel; 17:5 Then shalt thou bring forth that man or that woman, which have committed that wicked thing, unto thy gates, even that man or that woman, and shalt stone them with stones, till they die. I can't confirm that text is actually in the Bible as I don't own one but I don't doubt it is Superfly as you're a straight up sort of guy. But read Ouzo Dan's post above about followers of Islam "religiously" following the Khoran's teachings as opposed to your average Christian that probably hasn't read half the Bible in his/her lifetime. Most likely he/she would know the Lords Prayer, a few parables, Psalm 23 and the 10 commandments. Your average Muslim knows the Khoran because they are tested on it by the Immams from the age of understanding. As I keep reminding everyone... it is a religion 500 years behind modern times and whereas other religions have moved on, more towards peace and harmony (ignoring ridiculous inflammatory stuff in their holy books) - Islam seems intent on a fight to the death to be top dog (god). Edited by Hoof Hearted (11 Dec 2015 10.55am) I don't agree Hoof. Your average Muslim would take as much notice of holy directives to kill non believers as your average Christian. Your fundarmental Muslim is of course a different story and I'm led to believe, Muslims have the upper hand in numbers there. But it's still a tiny tiny proportion that it renders it alomost insignificant. The hatred that's being spread against Muslims scares me far more than any Muslim threat. Therein lies your problem.... Even Trump isn't saying hate the muslims... he is advocating a temporary halt to immigration of Muslims whilst their purpose is more clear to us. I don't hate Muslims either, but they need to sort out their errant followers themselves and distance themselves from inflammatory parts of the Khoran more publicly and achieve solidarity with other religions and non believers. Those causing the problems are not tiny and not insignificant - they are a threat that should not be underestimated! They are prepared to die themselves for their mistaken beliefs.
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Hoof Hearted 11 Dec 15 11.26am

Quote Superfly at 11 Dec 2015 11.17am

Quote Hoof Hearted at 11 Dec 2015 10.52am

Quote Superfly at 10 Dec 2015 1.11pm

I'm sure most christians don't actually act out the below orders, but we'd best ban them from the UK. Just in case.

I can't confirm that text is actually in the Bible as I don't own one but I don't doubt it is Superfly as you're a straight up sort of guy.

Your average Muslim knows the Khoran because they are tested on it by the Immams from the age of understanding.

Edited by Hoof Hearted (11 Dec 2015 10.55am)

I don't agree Hoof. Your average Muslim would take as much notice of holy directives to kill non believers as your average Christian.

The hatred that's being spread against Muslims scares me far more than any Muslim threat.

Therein lies your problem....

Even Trump isn't saying hate the muslims... he is advocating a temporary halt to immigration of Muslims whilst their purpose is more clear to us.

I don't hate Muslims either, but they need to sort out their errant followers themselves and distance themselves from inflammatory parts of the Khoran more publicly and achieve solidarity with other religions and non believers.

Those causing the problems are not tiny and not insignificant - they are a threat that should not be underestimated!

They are prepared to die themselves for their mistaken beliefs.

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Superfly The sun always shines in Catford 11 Dec 15 11.41am
Clearly I disagee & we're never going to reach an agreement there I think, but what Trump says is just mental Hoof. IMO The current situation has nothing to do with religion & everything to do with politics. 'Therin lies your problem' is quite inflammatory btw Hoof. I don't think I have a problem. Lend me a Tenor 31 May to 3 June 2017 John McIntosh Arts Centre London Oratory School SW6 1RX with Superfly in the chorus [Link]
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Clearly I disagee & we're never going to reach an agreement there I think, but what Trump says is just mental Hoof.

IMO The current situation has nothing to do with religion & everything to do with politics.

'Therin lies your problem' is quite inflammatory btw Hoof. I don't think I have a problem.

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Hoof Hearted 11 Dec 15 11.49am
Quote Superfly at 11 Dec 2015 11.41am Clearly I disagee & we're never going to reach an agreement there I think, but what Trump says is just mental Hoof. IMO The current situation has nothing to do with religion & everything to do with politics. 'Therin lies your problem' is quite inflammatory btw Hoof. I don't think I have a problem. It wasn't meant to be inflammatory Superfly... my apologies.
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Hoof Hearted 11 Dec 15 11.49am

Quote Superfly at 11 Dec 2015 11.41am

Clearly I disagee & we're never going to reach an agreement there I think, but what Trump says is just mental Hoof.

IMO The current situation has nothing to do with religion & everything to do with politics.

'Therin lies your problem' is quite inflammatory btw Hoof. I don't think I have a problem.

It wasn't meant to be inflammatory Superfly... my apologies.

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Superfly The sun always shines in Catford 11 Dec 15 11.54am
Quote Hoof Hearted at 11 Dec 2015 11.49am Quote Superfly at 11 Dec 2015 11.41am Clearly I disagee & we're never going to reach an agreement there I think, but what Trump says is just mental Hoof. IMO The current situation has nothing to do with religion & everything to do with politics. 'Therin lies your problem' is quite inflammatory btw Hoof. I don't think I have a problem. It wasn't meant to be inflammatory Superfly... my apologies. No worries mate It did read as a teensy bit arrogant (they are opinions after all, not facts) but appreciate you didn't mean it that way & we don't have a proof reader Lend me a Tenor 31 May to 3 June 2017 John McIntosh Arts Centre London Oratory School SW6 1RX with Superfly in the chorus [Link]
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Quote Hoof Hearted at 11 Dec 2015 11.49am

Quote Superfly at 11 Dec 2015 11.41am

Clearly I disagee & we're never going to reach an agreement there I think, but what Trump says is just mental Hoof.

IMO The current situation has nothing to do with religion & everything to do with politics.

'Therin lies your problem' is quite inflammatory btw Hoof. I don't think I have a problem.

It wasn't meant to be inflammatory Superfly... my apologies.

No worries mate It did read as a teensy bit arrogant (they are opinions after all, not facts) but appreciate you didn't mean it that way & we don't have a proof reader

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DanH SW2 11 Dec 15 11.56am
Quote Superfly at 11 Dec 2015 11.54am Quote Hoof Hearted at 11 Dec 2015 11.49am Quote Superfly at 11 Dec 2015 11.41am Clearly I disagee & we're never going to reach an agreement there I think, but what Trump says is just mental Hoof. IMO The current situation has nothing to do with religion & everything to do with politics. 'Therin lies your problem' is quite inflammatory btw Hoof. I don't think I have a problem. It wasn't meant to be inflammatory Superfly... my apologies. No worries mate It did read as a teensy bit arrogant (they are opinions after all, not facts) but appreciate you didn't mean it that way & we don't have a proof reader Benders.
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Quote Superfly at 11 Dec 2015 11.54am

Quote Hoof Hearted at 11 Dec 2015 11.49am

Quote Superfly at 11 Dec 2015 11.41am

Clearly I disagee & we're never going to reach an agreement there I think, but what Trump says is just mental Hoof.

IMO The current situation has nothing to do with religion & everything to do with politics.

'Therin lies your problem' is quite inflammatory btw Hoof. I don't think I have a problem.

It wasn't meant to be inflammatory Superfly... my apologies.

No worries mate It did read as a teensy bit arrogant (they are opinions after all, not facts) but appreciate you didn't mean it that way & we don't have a proof reader

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Superfly The sun always shines in Catford 11 Dec 15 12.06pm
Quote DanH at 11 Dec 2015 11.56am Quote Superfly at 11 Dec 2015 11.54am Quote Hoof Hearted at 11 Dec 2015 11.49am Quote Superfly at 11 Dec 2015 11.41am Clearly I disagee & we're never going to reach an agreement there I think, but what Trump says is just mental Hoof. IMO The current situation has nothing to do with religion & everything to do with politics. 'Therin lies your problem' is quite inflammatory btw Hoof. I don't think I have a problem. It wasn't meant to be inflammatory Superfly... my apologies. No worries mate It did read as a teensy bit arrogant (they are opinions after all, not facts) but appreciate you didn't mean it that way & we don't have a proof reader Benders. They deffo should be barred* from entering*. Dirty, depraved carryings on. I'm starting up a Catford branch of Westboro and you're top of my Jihad list. Except the Muslim ones. They're ok **And I mean the country. Not your bottom Lend me a Tenor 31 May to 3 June 2017 John McIntosh Arts Centre London Oratory School SW6 1RX with Superfly in the chorus [Link]
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The sun always shines in Catford 11 Dec 15 12.06pm

Quote DanH at 11 Dec 2015 11.56am

Quote Superfly at 11 Dec 2015 11.54am

Quote Hoof Hearted at 11 Dec 2015 11.49am

Quote Superfly at 11 Dec 2015 11.41am

Clearly I disagee & we're never going to reach an agreement there I think, but what Trump says is just mental Hoof.

IMO The current situation has nothing to do with religion & everything to do with politics.

'Therin lies your problem' is quite inflammatory btw Hoof. I don't think I have a problem.

It wasn't meant to be inflammatory Superfly... my apologies.

No worries mate It did read as a teensy bit arrogant (they are opinions after all, not facts) but appreciate you didn't mean it that way & we don't have a proof reader

Benders.

They deffo should be barred* from entering**. Dirty, depraved carryings on. I'm starting up a Catford branch of Westboro and you're top of my Jihad list.

*Except the Muslim ones. They're ok
**And I mean the country. Not your bottom

Lend me a Tenor

31 May to 3 June 2017

John McIntosh Arts Centre
London Oratory School
SW6 1RX

with Superfly in the chorus
[Link]

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