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The most content, best run countries in the world are mostly borderline Socialist with a bit of healthy capitalism thrown in: Denmark, Finland, New Zealand, Canada, Holland, Norway. The usual suspects.

S'funny how that lot aren't repulsed by aspects of leftism and yet are pretty successful at 'society'. If only they would listen to the deep thinking, rational, anti-left ranters on here the could do it so much better. As good as the UK and USA even.

Edited by Kermit8 (05 Nov 2015 2.05pm)

Denmark - centre right 2015
Finland - centre right 2015
NZ - centre right 2014
Canada - centre 2015
Holland - centre left 2012
Norway - centre right 2013

So really heavily left then...

As for most content, they all have higher suicide rates than the UK.


Irrelevant unless they are embarking on some radical political change to move away from socialist influences within their societies.


As you can see the only one on the left, at all, was the one voted for the longest ago. The rest have shifted to the right, or reelected them.

And none of them are borderline socialist in the first place, you've just decided that they are to suit your argument.


So has this guy at Forbes [Link]

Nicking my "borderline" line the git. And that Madonna can fvck right off too.

Do you agree with the author when he implies that the 'happiest countries in the world' are those that are the least ethnically diverse?

I guess you'd know, living in a white only community and all...


You do know that a "white only community" can have people from different ethnic backgrounds, right? Right?


I love the way in which you try and make up for your middle class white guilt for basically ripping off the taxpayer and contributing eff all to society & your middle class guilt for living in a white only community by making us hard working, ethnically diverse area living Joes to be ignorant, racist or worthless.

Don't ever change.

Edited by matt_himself (05 Nov 2015 7.19pm)


Not bad. You're improving. Only three mistakes and one thing correct. All that digging is finally paying off.

Michael - you quite obviously hate yourself hence all the stuff about refugees, the church, middle class people, ethnic minorities, sexual preferences and so on. Nothin has any connection, it is populist right-on clap trap at best. Sycophantic bulls*** at worst.

Living in a white only community has obviously not killed the demons, only exacerbated them.

I know what I know about you from your posts - except the fact that someone in the White Horse after a game who knew you referred to you as Michael - you are a tortured soul and I feel sorry for you. I don't believe you actually believe what you post.


You sound like a deranged stalker. You'll be knocking on the blokes door next. FFS save the drinking til you're out and wind your neck in.


You are entering something three years in and something you know nothing of.

Go and have a Vimto & a bag of Cheese and Onion in the garden with the other youngsters, let us continue with this.

There's a good boy. We will come and collect you when it's done.

 


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The most content, best run countries in the world are mostly borderline Socialist with a bit of healthy capitalism thrown in: Denmark, Finland, New Zealand, Canada, Holland, Norway. The usual suspects.

S'funny how that lot aren't repulsed by aspects of leftism and yet are pretty successful at 'society'. If only they would listen to the deep thinking, rational, anti-left ranters on here the could do it so much better. As good as the UK and USA even.

Edited by Kermit8 (05 Nov 2015 2.05pm)

Denmark - centre right 2015
Finland - centre right 2015
NZ - centre right 2014
Canada - centre 2015
Holland - centre left 2012
Norway - centre right 2013

So really heavily left then...

As for most content, they all have higher suicide rates than the UK.


Irrelevant unless they are embarking on some radical political change to move away from socialist influences within their societies.


As you can see the only one on the left, at all, was the one voted for the longest ago. The rest have shifted to the right, or reelected them.

And none of them are borderline socialist in the first place, you've just decided that they are to suit your argument.


So has this guy at Forbes [Link]

Nicking my "borderline" line the git. And that Madonna can fvck right off too.

Do you agree with the author when he implies that the 'happiest countries in the world' are those that are the least ethnically diverse?

I guess you'd know, living in a white only community and all...


You do know that a "white only community" can have people from different ethnic backgrounds, right? Right?


I love the way in which you try and make up for your middle class white guilt for basically ripping off the taxpayer and contributing eff all to society & your middle class guilt for living in a white only community by making us hard working, ethnically diverse area living Joes to be ignorant, racist or worthless.

Don't ever change.

Edited by matt_himself (05 Nov 2015 7.19pm)


Not bad. You're improving. Only three mistakes and one thing correct. All that digging is finally paying off.

Michael - you quite obviously hate yourself hence all the stuff about refugees, the church, middle class people, ethnic minorities, sexual preferences and so on. Nothin has any connection, it is populist right-on clap trap at best. Sycophantic bulls*** at worst.

Living in a white only community has obviously not killed the demons, only exacerbated them.

I know what I know about you from your posts - except the fact that someone in the White Horse after a game who knew you referred to you as Michael - you are a tortured soul and I feel sorry for you. I don't believe you actually believe what you post.


You sound like a deranged stalker. You'll be knocking on the blokes door next. FFS save the drinking til you're out and wind your neck in.


You are entering something three years in and something you know nothing of.

Go and have a Vimto & a bag of Cheese and Onion in the garden with the other youngsters, let us continue with this.

There's a good boy. We will come and collect you when it's done.

Three years ffs? If you two have a personal gripe man up and sort it in person rather than bore other people with it. Having a pointless three year public cock measuring contest isn't a badge of honour. lol.


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The most content, best run countries in the world are mostly borderline Socialist with a bit of healthy capitalism thrown in: Denmark, Finland, New Zealand, Canada, Holland, Norway. The usual suspects.

S'funny how that lot aren't repulsed by aspects of leftism and yet are pretty successful at 'society'. If only they would listen to the deep thinking, rational, anti-left ranters on here the could do it so much better. As good as the UK and USA even.

Edited by Kermit8 (05 Nov 2015 2.05pm)

Denmark - centre right 2015
Finland - centre right 2015
NZ - centre right 2014
Canada - centre 2015
Holland - centre left 2012
Norway - centre right 2013

So really heavily left then...

As for most content, they all have higher suicide rates than the UK.


Irrelevant unless they are embarking on some radical political change to move away from socialist influences within their societies.


As you can see the only one on the left, at all, was the one voted for the longest ago. The rest have shifted to the right, or reelected them.

And none of them are borderline socialist in the first place, you've just decided that they are to suit your argument.


So has this guy at Forbes [Link]

Nicking my "borderline" line the git. And that Madonna can fvck right off too.

Do you agree with the author when he implies that the 'happiest countries in the world' are those that are the least ethnically diverse?

I guess you'd know, living in a white only community and all...


You do know that a "white only community" can have people from different ethnic backgrounds, right? Right?


I love the way in which you try and make up for your middle class white guilt for basically ripping off the taxpayer and contributing eff all to society & your middle class guilt for living in a white only community by making us hard working, ethnically diverse area living Joes to be ignorant, racist or worthless.

Don't ever change.

Edited by matt_himself (05 Nov 2015 7.19pm)


Not bad. You're improving. Only three mistakes and one thing correct. All that digging is finally paying off.

Michael - you quite obviously hate yourself hence all the stuff about refugees, the church, middle class people, ethnic minorities, sexual preferences and so on. Nothin has any connection, it is populist right-on clap trap at best. Sycophantic bulls*** at worst.

Living in a white only community has obviously not killed the demons, only exacerbated them.

I know what I know about you from your posts - except the fact that someone in the White Horse after a game who knew you referred to you as Michael - you are a tortured soul and I feel sorry for you. I don't believe you actually believe what you post.


You sound like a deranged stalker. You'll be knocking on the blokes door next. FFS save the drinking til you're out and wind your neck in.


You are entering something three years in and something you know nothing of.

Go and have a Vimto & a bag of Cheese and Onion in the garden with the other youngsters, let us continue with this.

There's a good boy. We will come and collect you when it's done.

Three years ffs? If you two have a personal gripe man up and sort it in person rather than bore other people with it. Having a pointless three year public cock measuring contest isn't a badge of honour. lol.


Edited by bilbo (06 Nov 2015 9.06pm)

Please prepare to be ignored.

Ta ta.

 


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The most content, best run countries in the world are mostly borderline Socialist with a bit of healthy capitalism thrown in: Denmark, Finland, New Zealand, Canada, Holland, Norway. The usual suspects.

S'funny how that lot aren't repulsed by aspects of leftism and yet are pretty successful at 'society'. If only they would listen to the deep thinking, rational, anti-left ranters on here the could do it so much better. As good as the UK and USA even.

Edited by Kermit8 (05 Nov 2015 2.05pm)

Denmark - centre right 2015
Finland - centre right 2015
NZ - centre right 2014
Canada - centre 2015
Holland - centre left 2012
Norway - centre right 2013

So really heavily left then...

As for most content, they all have higher suicide rates than the UK.


Irrelevant unless they are embarking on some radical political change to move away from socialist influences within their societies.


As you can see the only one on the left, at all, was the one voted for the longest ago. The rest have shifted to the right, or reelected them.

And none of them are borderline socialist in the first place, you've just decided that they are to suit your argument.


So has this guy at Forbes [Link]

Nicking my "borderline" line the git. And that Madonna can fvck right off too.

Do you agree with the author when he implies that the 'happiest countries in the world' are those that are the least ethnically diverse?

I guess you'd know, living in a white only community and all...


You do know that a "white only community" can have people from different ethnic backgrounds, right? Right?


I love the way in which you try and make up for your middle class white guilt for basically ripping off the taxpayer and contributing eff all to society & your middle class guilt for living in a white only community by making us hard working, ethnically diverse area living Joes to be ignorant, racist or worthless.

Don't ever change.

Edited by matt_himself (05 Nov 2015 7.19pm)


Not bad. You're improving. Only three mistakes and one thing correct. All that digging is finally paying off.

Michael - you quite obviously hate yourself hence all the stuff about refugees, the church, middle class people, ethnic minorities, sexual preferences and so on. Nothin has any connection, it is populist right-on clap trap at best. Sycophantic bulls*** at worst.

Living in a white only community has obviously not killed the demons, only exacerbated them.

I know what I know about you from your posts - except the fact that someone in the White Horse after a game who knew you referred to you as Michael - you are a tortured soul and I feel sorry for you. I don't believe you actually believe what you post.


You sound like a deranged stalker. You'll be knocking on the blokes door next. FFS save the drinking til you're out and wind your neck in.


You are entering something three years in and something you know nothing of.

Go and have a Vimto & a bag of Cheese and Onion in the garden with the other youngsters, let us continue with this.

There's a good boy. We will come and collect you when it's done.

Three years ffs? If you two have a personal gripe man up and sort it in person rather than bore other people with it. Having a pointless three year public cock measuring contest isn't a badge of honour. lol.


Edited by bilbo (06 Nov 2015 9.06pm)

Please prepare to be ignored.

Ta ta.

Say "ta ta" to your inane three year argument as well or you'll be getting a dressing down from others too I suspect.

 

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The most content, best run countries in the world are mostly borderline Socialist with a bit of healthy capitalism thrown in: Denmark, Finland, New Zealand, Canada, Holland, Norway. The usual suspects.

S'funny how that lot aren't repulsed by aspects of leftism and yet are pretty successful at 'society'. If only they would listen to the deep thinking, rational, anti-left ranters on here the could do it so much better. As good as the UK and USA even.

Edited by Kermit8 (05 Nov 2015 2.05pm)

Denmark - centre right 2015
Finland - centre right 2015
NZ - centre right 2014
Canada - centre 2015
Holland - centre left 2012
Norway - centre right 2013

So really heavily left then...

As for most content, they all have higher suicide rates than the UK.


Irrelevant unless they are embarking on some radical political change to move away from socialist influences within their societies.


As you can see the only one on the left, at all, was the one voted for the longest ago. The rest have shifted to the right, or reelected them.

And none of them are borderline socialist in the first place, you've just decided that they are to suit your argument.


So has this guy at Forbes [Link]

Nicking my "borderline" line the git. And that Madonna can fvck right off too.

Do you agree with the author when he implies that the 'happiest countries in the world' are those that are the least ethnically diverse?

I guess you'd know, living in a white only community and all...


You do know that a "white only community" can have people from different ethnic backgrounds, right? Right?


I love the way in which you try and make up for your middle class white guilt for basically ripping off the taxpayer and contributing eff all to society & your middle class guilt for living in a white only community by making us hard working, ethnically diverse area living Joes to be ignorant, racist or worthless.

Don't ever change.

Edited by matt_himself (05 Nov 2015 7.19pm)


Not bad. You're improving. Only three mistakes and one thing correct. All that digging is finally paying off.

Michael - you quite obviously hate yourself hence all the stuff about refugees, the church, middle class people, ethnic minorities, sexual preferences and so on. Nothin has any connection, it is populist right-on clap trap at best. Sycophantic bulls*** at worst.

Living in a white only community has obviously not killed the demons, only exacerbated them.

I know what I know about you from your posts - except the fact that someone in the White Horse after a game who knew you referred to you as Michael - you are a tortured soul and I feel sorry for you. I don't believe you actually believe what you post.


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The most content, best run countries in the world are mostly borderline Socialist with a bit of healthy capitalism thrown in: Denmark, Finland, New Zealand, Canada, Holland, Norway. The usual suspects.

S'funny how that lot aren't repulsed by aspects of leftism and yet are pretty successful at 'society'. If only they would listen to the deep thinking, rational, anti-left ranters on here the could do it so much better. As good as the UK and USA even.

Edited by Kermit8 (05 Nov 2015 2.05pm)

Denmark - centre right 2015
Finland - centre right 2015
NZ - centre right 2014
Canada - centre 2015
Holland - centre left 2012
Norway - centre right 2013

So really heavily left then...

As for most content, they all have higher suicide rates than the UK.


Irrelevant unless they are embarking on some radical political change to move away from socialist influences within their societies.


As you can see the only one on the left, at all, was the one voted for the longest ago. The rest have shifted to the right, or reelected them.

And none of them are borderline socialist in the first place, you've just decided that they are to suit your argument.


So has this guy at Forbes [Link]

Nicking my "borderline" line the git. And that Madonna can fvck right off too.

Do you agree with the author when he implies that the 'happiest countries in the world' are those that are the least ethnically diverse?

I guess you'd know, living in a white only community and all...


You do know that a "white only community" can have people from different ethnic backgrounds, right? Right?


I love the way in which you try and make up for your middle class white guilt for basically ripping off the taxpayer and contributing eff all to society & your middle class guilt for living in a white only community by making us hard working, ethnically diverse area living Joes to be ignorant, racist or worthless.

Don't ever change.

Edited by matt_himself (05 Nov 2015 7.19pm)


Not bad. You're improving. Only three mistakes and one thing correct. All that digging is finally paying off.

Michael - you quite obviously hate yourself hence all the stuff about refugees, the church, middle class people, ethnic minorities, sexual preferences and so on. Nothin has any connection, it is populist right-on clap trap at best. Sycophantic bulls*** at worst.

Living in a white only community has obviously not killed the demons, only exacerbated them.

I know what I know about you from your posts - except the fact that someone in the White Horse after a game who knew you referred to you as Michael - you are a tortured soul and I feel sorry for you. I don't believe you actually believe what you post.


You sound like a deranged stalker. You'll be knocking on the blokes door next. FFS save the drinking til you're out and wind your neck in.


You are entering something three years in and something you know nothing of.

Go and have a Vimto & a bag of Cheese and Onion in the garden with the other youngsters, let us continue with this.

There's a good boy. We will come and collect you when it's done.

Three years ffs? If you two have a personal gripe man up and sort it in person rather than bore other people with it. Having a pointless three year public cock measuring contest isn't a badge of honour. lol.


Edited by bilbo (06 Nov 2015 9.06pm)

Please prepare to be ignored.

Ta ta.

Say "ta ta" to your inane three year argument as well or you'll be getting a dressing down from others too I suspect.


Mark my words bilbo. It really isn't worth the energy.

 

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The most content, best run countries in the world are mostly borderline Socialist with a bit of healthy capitalism thrown in: Denmark, Finland, New Zealand, Canada, Holland, Norway. The usual suspects.

S'funny how that lot aren't repulsed by aspects of leftism and yet are pretty successful at 'society'. If only they would listen to the deep thinking, rational, anti-left ranters on here the could do it so much better. As good as the UK and USA even.

Edited by Kermit8 (05 Nov 2015 2.05pm)

Denmark - centre right 2015
Finland - centre right 2015
NZ - centre right 2014
Canada - centre 2015
Holland - centre left 2012
Norway - centre right 2013

So really heavily left then...

As for most content, they all have higher suicide rates than the UK.


Irrelevant unless they are embarking on some radical political change to move away from socialist influences within their societies.


As you can see the only one on the left, at all, was the one voted for the longest ago. The rest have shifted to the right, or reelected them.

And none of them are borderline socialist in the first place, you've just decided that they are to suit your argument.


So has this guy at Forbes [Link]

Nicking my "borderline" line the git. And that Madonna can fvck right off too.

Do you agree with the author when he implies that the 'happiest countries in the world' are those that are the least ethnically diverse?

I guess you'd know, living in a white only community and all...


You do know that a "white only community" can have people from different ethnic backgrounds, right? Right?


I love the way in which you try and make up for your middle class white guilt for basically ripping off the taxpayer and contributing eff all to society & your middle class guilt for living in a white only community by making us hard working, ethnically diverse area living Joes to be ignorant, racist or worthless.

Don't ever change.

Edited by matt_himself (05 Nov 2015 7.19pm)


Not bad. You're improving. Only three mistakes and one thing correct. All that digging is finally paying off.

Michael - you quite obviously hate yourself hence all the stuff about refugees, the church, middle class people, ethnic minorities, sexual preferences and so on. Nothin has any connection, it is populist right-on clap trap at best. Sycophantic bulls*** at worst.

Living in a white only community has obviously not killed the demons, only exacerbated them.

I know what I know about you from your posts - except the fact that someone in the White Horse after a game who knew you referred to you as Michael - you are a tortured soul and I feel sorry for you. I don't believe you actually believe what you post.


You sound like a deranged stalker. You'll be knocking on the blokes door next. FFS save the drinking til you're out and wind your neck in.


You are entering something three years in and something you know nothing of.

Go and have a Vimto & a bag of Cheese and Onion in the garden with the other youngsters, let us continue with this.

There's a good boy. We will come and collect you when it's done.

Three years ffs? If you two have a personal gripe man up and sort it in person rather than bore other people with it. Having a pointless three year public cock measuring contest isn't a badge of honour. lol.


Edited by bilbo (06 Nov 2015 9.06pm)

Please prepare to be ignored.

Ta ta.

Say "ta ta" to your inane three year argument as well or you'll be getting a dressing down from others too I suspect.


Mark my words bilbo. It really isn't worth the energy.

Right on cue, Gusset pops up with his usual 'what about me, what about me' comment.

Followed, no doubt, by a reminder that he is 'not allowed to converse' with me.

Strange.

 


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Interesting developments in Portugal...

Is it me, or are a lot of the countries where it could be said that capitalism has failed are turning to the left as a response?

 

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The politics and the system work- but, as Serial notes, state socialism is unsustainable in the current global climate of unfettered capitalism. Just as, in a world of successful socialist states, the single capitalist country would inevitably fail.

Calling socialism 'mumbo jumbo' is lazy and no real argument. Capitalism is a bunch of old hogwash. See? I can do it too!


Please provide an example of where the politics and system work in a socialist state, where living standards are raised consistently and where democracy thrives.

Venezuela would probably fit that bill. Do you include Sweden?


Edited by jamiemartin721 (04 Nov 2015 8.14am)

Please provide evidence that Venezuela is democratic. From everything I have read, the government there is doing a lot of things to restrict freedom that if they happened elsewhere, you and your sort would be up in arms over.

Sweden isn't socialist. You can delude yourself that the 'Nordic model' is socialism but it clearly isn't. It is a free market economy, highly taxed and with a social safety net. It is not socialist by definition.

Indeed, but its still democratic. In the same way we're democratic, whilst fitting into a system that favours the dominant party. We have a system where 15% of the electorate (roughly) vote for the Greens and UKIP (they got a seat each) - Hardly a fair model when you consider the votes the Liberal Democrats received was at least half that, and they got 8 seats.

Hardly a fair system either.

Sweden
Its definitely not a free market model either though, Sweden, there are a lot of social restrictions placed on companies to require them to fulfil commitments to the state and society, but it fulfils what I feel the a socialist model should represent. Socialism should provides a critique of capitalism, and in Sweden, and several other European countries, this influence of socialism has resulted in a curtailing of the failures and dangers of capitalist ideology as seen in far more free market models.


You talk about 'social restrictions', 'a critique of capitalism' and 'a socialist model'. In fact it is just a democratically elected government passing laws that they think benefit society - just as we have done in this country over the years. It is not socialism at all. Sweden would quickly go down the pan if all means of production, distribution and exchange were in the hands of the state.



This is how I see socialism as a working model within a capitalist world
, as a means of social provision. I don't really abide by the idea of communism at all, which promotes tyranny, but the idea of the will of the people and the state serving the best interest of society.

In terms of socialism, I regard the vanguard approach of Marxist-Lenninism and Moaists as being a 'failed experiement' as it forces socialism by force of arms and tyranny, but proscribe to the approach of Marx where in Socialism must grow out of the failures of capitalism by the will of the people as a social change (similar to how capitalism grew out of the industrial revolution and the demise of agrarianism, which replaced feudalism).

Sweden also requires very strict laws on the economic stability of companies, that would be considered Marxist by any other standards, that are specifically devised towards ensuring a company security for the benefit of employees and the state, rather than the directors.

so for me, Sweden represents the way forwards, capitalism coupled to a social or socialist priority. I believe in the freedom of the individual (being more of an anarchist than a commie), and democracy that represents each and every single person. These I feel are vital to prevent tyranny of the majority (which communism, represents).

As for the UK passing laws for the benefit of society, that I disagree with, for most of my life I would say we pass laws based on maintaining the support of the parties voters, and primiarly the interests of corporations.


If you don't nationalise all means of production distribution and exchanges, then it is not Socialist.


Come on old chap in Venezuela now there is no production so distribution does not enter into the equation.. Lets face taxi drivers do not make good presidents ,the leap is too far. And big mouth Charvez started his nation on the road to rot!!!!!.

 

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Interesting developments in Portugal...

Is it me, or are a lot of the countries where it could be said that capitalism has failed are turning to the left as a response?

It's you and people like Serial Thriller wanting that to be the case but not looking at the facts or considering political trends in Europe.

What appears to be happening is that the centre and specifically the centre left being rejected and more hardline parties of both left and right being popular. For example, your 'theory' does not carry weight when looking at recent elections and/or polls taken in places such as Poland, France, Hungary, Czech Republic and Holland where right wing, anti EU and anti immigrant parties are elected in local or national elections. It also looks increasingly that Angela Merkel will be defeated at the next elections because of the immigrant crisis.

Spain, where Podemos where held as the 'future' for the left across Europe, will be defeated at the next election because the Spanish economy, controlled by a right wing government, .

Portugals result is a temporary shift to the left.

Don't build your hopes up yet Gusset. The revolution isn't happening.

 


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Interesting developments in Portugal...

Is it me, or are a lot of the countries where it could be said that capitalism has failed are turning to the left as a response?

Croatia has voted conservative.

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Is it me, or are a lot of European countries voting for anti immigration right wing parties because people are fed up with being told what to do and think about important matters by the elite, leftish project that is the EU?

 


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Venezuela does the right thing and votes the commies out:

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SerialBoredom - is this the fault of the opposition for 'not respecting democracy' or because the Commies have run the country appallingly over the past two decades?

 


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