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This is how it would be here if TUSC or similar 'progressives' were in power.
From the socialist enclave of 'Epsom' Food banks are here too, Jimmy, and this is not a socialist enclave but an affluent borough in the 5th richest country in the world. The fact is Capitalism doesn't work for most of the human population and even in the richest countries in the world some working people need charity to eat.
Edited by Bert the Head (29 May 2015 11.42pm) Edited by Bert the Head (29 May 2015 11.55pm) Edited by Bert the Head (29 May 2015 11.56pm)
My belief is that a lot of visitors to food banks spend their money on luxuries before turning up to collect free grub.
I expect it is based on a knowledge of human nature.
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Quote derben at 28 May 2015 8.25am
This is how it would be here if TUSC or similar 'progressives' were in power.
From the socialist enclave of 'Epsom' Food banks are here too, Jimmy, and this is not a socialist enclave but an affluent borough in the 5th richest country in the world. The fact is Capitalism doesn't work for most of the human population and even in the richest countries in the world some working people need charity to eat.
Edited by Bert the Head (29 May 2015 11.42pm) Edited by Bert the Head (29 May 2015 11.55pm) Edited by Bert the Head (29 May 2015 11.56pm)
My belief is that a lot of visitors to food banks spend their money on luxuries before turning up to collect free grub.
I expect it is based on a knowledge of human nature.
You mean Gareth Lee?
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Quote derben at 28 May 2015 8.25am
This is how it would be here if TUSC or similar 'progressives' were in power.
From the socialist enclave of 'Epsom' Food banks are here too, Jimmy, and this is not a socialist enclave but an affluent borough in the 5th richest country in the world. The fact is Capitalism doesn't work for most of the human population and even in the richest countries in the world some working people need charity to eat.
Edited by Bert the Head (29 May 2015 11.42pm) Edited by Bert the Head (29 May 2015 11.55pm) Edited by Bert the Head (29 May 2015 11.56pm) China has nearly 20% of the world's population, do you think Socialism worked for them when the People's Republic was a full blown Socialist economy? They are a lot better off now under their New Socialism (ie: a Capitalist economy), although they are are still held back and suppressed by the retention of the usual authoritarian aspects of 'Socialism'. They don't really have a free market capitalist economy, its state controlled and directed for the most part. Certainly they utilise capitalist policy when it suits them, but it serves the party and the state. They're more a Communist system that uses capitalism (kind of a reverse of several European Capitalist-Socialist states such as Norway and Sweeden).
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Quote derben at 30 May 2015 1.23pm
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Quote derben at 28 May 2015 8.25am
This is how it would be here if TUSC or similar 'progressives' were in power.
From the socialist enclave of 'Epsom' Food banks are here too, Jimmy, and this is not a socialist enclave but an affluent borough in the 5th richest country in the world. The fact is Capitalism doesn't work for most of the human population and even in the richest countries in the world some working people need charity to eat.
Edited by Bert the Head (29 May 2015 11.42pm) Edited by Bert the Head (29 May 2015 11.55pm) Edited by Bert the Head (29 May 2015 11.56pm)
My belief is that a lot of visitors to food banks spend their money on luxuries before turning up to collect free grub.
I expect it is based on a knowledge of human nature. Which doesn't really exist in any definable way, for the most part 'human nature' is generally an excuse used by the right in the same way that the greater good was used by Stalinists, to justify something that otherwise can't be justified.
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Quote Bert the Head at 29 May 2015 9.04pm
Quote derben at 28 May 2015 8.25am
This is how it would be here if TUSC or similar 'progressives' were in power.
From the socialist enclave of 'Epsom' Food banks are here too, Jimmy, and this is not a socialist enclave but an affluent borough in the 5th richest country in the world. The fact is Capitalism doesn't work for most of the human population and even in the richest countries in the world some working people need charity to eat.
Edited by Bert the Head (29 May 2015 11.42pm) Edited by Bert the Head (29 May 2015 11.55pm) Edited by Bert the Head (29 May 2015 11.56pm)
My belief is that a lot of visitors to food banks spend their money on luxuries before turning up to collect free grub.
I expect it is based on a knowledge of human nature. Which doesn't really exist in any definable way, for the most part 'human nature' is generally an excuse used by the right in the same way that the greater good was used by Stalinists, to justify something that otherwise can't be justified. Call it the way people generally behave then, the prime attribute being self-interest and that of their family and friends.
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Quote Bert the Head at 29 May 2015 11.42pm
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Quote derben at 28 May 2015 8.25am
This is how it would be here if TUSC or similar 'progressives' were in power.
From the socialist enclave of 'Epsom' Food banks are here too, Jimmy, and this is not a socialist enclave but an affluent borough in the 5th richest country in the world. The fact is Capitalism doesn't work for most of the human population and even in the richest countries in the world some working people need charity to eat.
Edited by Bert the Head (29 May 2015 11.42pm) Edited by Bert the Head (29 May 2015 11.55pm) Edited by Bert the Head (29 May 2015 11.56pm) China has nearly 20% of the world's population, do you think Socialism worked for them when the People's Republic was a full blown Socialist economy? They are a lot better off now under their New Socialism (ie: a Capitalist economy), although they are are still held back and suppressed by the retention of the usual authoritarian aspects of 'Socialism'. They don't really have a free market capitalist economy, its state controlled and directed for the most part. Certainly they utilise capitalist policy when it suits them, but it serves the party and the state. They're more a Communist system that uses capitalism (kind of a reverse of several European Capitalist-Socialist states such as Norway and Sweeden). So China is the type of system we should aspire to?
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let me see if I've got this socialism right? Someone works like a demon all thier days and ends up with the same lot in life, as some workshy unwashed bin dipper. I think Capitalism seems a bit fairer.
Edited by serial thriller (28 May 2015 1.34pm) At some point someone called Wal-Mart worked his pips off to provide for his family and by hard work and luck he made a fortune, how the family administer that fortune is not for you to decide (or to distribute among your comrades). Much like Richard Branson, started off with one sh1t heap of a record shop, and through hard work, business savy, and persistence now has an empire, why should he just give at away to Jeremy Kyle types who make the three toes sloth look as productive as hive of bumble bee's. Last question, why is it always middleclass types who abhor the wealthy, is it because they really think they deserve to be as rich as Branson, or Lord Sainsbury, even though the only noteworthy they ever did was drive a bus for ten years ? Capitalism isn't perfect, but it sure is better than anything else out their.
Please enlighten me with stories of socialist utopias the world over.....wait a minute, you can’t , there aren't any. Enlighten you? I'm afraid i don't have a spare year on my calander but i'm sure if you phone the council they can give you the number of an excellent nursery You couldn't enlighten a candle. Try answering the questions posed instead of dismissing anyone's point of view whose isn't yours as being stupid. Socialism is good on paper but has no place in reality.
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Quote nickgusset at 30 May 2015 11.52am
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Quote Bert the Head at 29 May 2015 11.42pm
Quote Jimenez at 29 May 2015 9.48pm
Quote Bert the Head at 29 May 2015 9.04pm
Quote derben at 28 May 2015 8.25am
This is how it would be here if TUSC or similar 'progressives' were in power.
From the socialist enclave of 'Epsom' Food banks are here too, Jimmy, and this is not a socialist enclave but an affluent borough in the 5th richest country in the world. The fact is Capitalism doesn't work for most of the human population and even in the richest countries in the world some working people need charity to eat.
Edited by Bert the Head (29 May 2015 11.42pm) Edited by Bert the Head (29 May 2015 11.55pm) Edited by Bert the Head (29 May 2015 11.56pm)
My belief is that a lot of visitors to food banks spend their money on luxuries before turning up to collect free grub.
I expect it is based on a knowledge of human nature. Which doesn't really exist in any definable way, for the most part 'human nature' is generally an excuse used by the right in the same way that the greater good was used by Stalinists, to justify something that otherwise can't be justified. Call it the way people generally behave then, the prime attribute being self-interest and that of their family and friends. You mean the way you believe that people generally act. Self interest doesn't preclude the benefit of others, and if its in the interest of family and friends, then it can be contry to self interest entirely. Of course then you're also defining a behaviour in hindsight, for it to be a natural law such as Human Nature it must occur incidentally above statistical relevancy and be reasonably predictable based on the context available.
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let me see if I've got this socialism right? Someone works like a demon all thier days and ends up with the same lot in life, as some workshy unwashed bin dipper. I think Capitalism seems a bit fairer.
Edited by serial thriller (28 May 2015 1.34pm) At some point someone called Wal-Mart worked his pips off to provide for his family and by hard work and luck he made a fortune, how the family administer that fortune is not for you to decide (or to distribute among your comrades). Much like Richard Branson, started off with one sh1t heap of a record shop, and through hard work, business savy, and persistence now has an empire, why should he just give at away to Jeremy Kyle types who make the three toes sloth look as productive as hive of bumble bee's. Last question, why is it always middleclass types who abhor the wealthy, is it because they really think they deserve to be as rich as Branson, or Lord Sainsbury, even though the only noteworthy they ever did was drive a bus for ten years ? Capitalism isn't perfect, but it sure is better than anything else out their.
Please enlighten me with stories of socialist utopias the world over.....wait a minute, you can’t , there aren't any. Enlighten you? I'm afraid i don't have a spare year on my calander but i'm sure if you phone the council they can give you the number of an excellent nursery You couldn't enlighten a candle. Try answering the questions posed instead of dismissing anyone's point of view whose isn't yours as being stupid. Socialism is good on paper but has no place in reality. Socialism really has redefined capitalism through the 20th century, arguably acting as a mechanism by which capitalist countries reacted to the threat of communism and socialism, and introduced socialist concepts into their states: most notably European countries which adopted a form of socialised capitalism. Whilst the UK isn't maybe as 'socialised' as some of its close neighbours, the history of 20th century capitalism is its embrace of the idea of protection of workers rights, civil rights and provision of welfare and social services. Arguably, this allowed it to outstrip many of the socialist states, such as the Soviet in terms of its delivery to the proletariat and working classes of society. What remains to be seen if Post-Industrialism and globalised capitalism will ultimately fall back into a progressive socialist-capitalist compromise, or whether there is a return to the kind of pure capitalism of the early industrial era and 19th century that resulted in the birth of the communist.
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Quote jamiemartin721 at 31 May 2015 6.36pm
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Quote ghosteagle at 29 May 2015 3.59pm
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Quote dannyh at 28 May 2015 4.59pm
Quote serial thriller at 28 May 2015 1.24pm
Quote dannyh at 28 May 2015 1.13pm
let me see if I've got this socialism right? Someone works like a demon all thier days and ends up with the same lot in life, as some workshy unwashed bin dipper. I think Capitalism seems a bit fairer.
Edited by serial thriller (28 May 2015 1.34pm) At some point someone called Wal-Mart worked his pips off to provide for his family and by hard work and luck he made a fortune, how the family administer that fortune is not for you to decide (or to distribute among your comrades). Much like Richard Branson, started off with one sh1t heap of a record shop, and through hard work, business savy, and persistence now has an empire, why should he just give at away to Jeremy Kyle types who make the three toes sloth look as productive as hive of bumble bee's. Last question, why is it always middleclass types who abhor the wealthy, is it because they really think they deserve to be as rich as Branson, or Lord Sainsbury, even though the only noteworthy they ever did was drive a bus for ten years ? Capitalism isn't perfect, but it sure is better than anything else out their.
Please enlighten me with stories of socialist utopias the world over.....wait a minute, you can’t , there aren't any. Enlighten you? I'm afraid i don't have a spare year on my calander but i'm sure if you phone the council they can give you the number of an excellent nursery You couldn't enlighten a candle. Try answering the questions posed instead of dismissing anyone's point of view whose isn't yours as being stupid. Socialism is good on paper but has no place in reality. Socialism really has redefined capitalism through the 20th century, arguably acting as a mechanism by which capitalist countries reacted to the threat of communism and socialism, and introduced socialist concepts into their states: most notably European countries which adopted a form of socialised capitalism. Whilst the UK isn't maybe as 'socialised' as some of its close neighbours, the history of 20th century capitalism is its embrace of the idea of protection of workers rights, civil rights and provision of welfare and social services. Arguably, this allowed it to outstrip many of the socialist states, such as the Soviet in terms of its delivery to the proletariat and working classes of society. What remains to be seen if Post-Industrialism and globalised capitalism will ultimately fall back into a progressive socialist-capitalist compromise, or whether there is a return to the kind of pure capitalism of the early industrial era and 19th century that resulted in the birth of the communist. At the heart of Socialism is state control of the means of production, distribution, and exchange. That has been tried in all the Socialist states, and it has been found simply to not work. Yet the likes of TUSC still put it forward as their policy; that is largely why they polled, on average, around 250 votes per candidate in the recent general Election.
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This is how it would be here if TUSC or similar 'progressives' were in power.
From the socialist enclave of 'Epsom' Food banks are here too, Jimmy, and this is not a socialist enclave but an affluent borough in the 5th richest country in the world. The fact is Capitalism doesn't work for most of the human population and even in the richest countries in the world some working people need charity to eat.
Edited by Bert the Head (29 May 2015 11.42pm) Edited by Bert the Head (29 May 2015 11.55pm) Edited by Bert the Head (29 May 2015 11.56pm)
My belief is that a lot of visitors to food banks spend their money on luxuries before turning up to collect free grub.
I expect it is based on a knowledge of human nature. Which doesn't really exist in any definable way, for the most part 'human nature' is generally an excuse used by the right in the same way that the greater good was used by Stalinists, to justify something that otherwise can't be justified. Call it the way people generally behave then, the prime attribute being self-interest and that of their family and friends. You mean the way you believe that people generally act. Self interest doesn't preclude the benefit of others, and if its in the interest of family and friends, then it can be contry to self interest entirely. Are you legaleagle in disguise? What the f*** are you on about?
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Quote derben at 28 May 2015 8.25am
This is how it would be here if TUSC or similar 'progressives' were in power.
From the socialist enclave of 'Epsom' Food banks are here too, Jimmy, and this is not a socialist enclave but an affluent borough in the 5th richest country in the world. The fact is Capitalism doesn't work for most of the human population and even in the richest countries in the world some working people need charity to eat.
Edited by Bert the Head (29 May 2015 11.42pm) Edited by Bert the Head (29 May 2015 11.55pm) Edited by Bert the Head (29 May 2015 11.56pm)
My belief is that a lot of visitors to food banks spend their money on luxuries before turning up to collect free grub.
I expect it is based on a knowledge of human nature. Which doesn't really exist in any definable way, for the most part 'human nature' is generally an excuse used by the right in the same way that the greater good was used by Stalinists, to justify something that otherwise can't be justified. Call it the way people generally behave then, the prime attribute being self-interest and that of their family and friends. You mean the way you believe that people generally act. Self interest doesn't preclude the benefit of others, and if its in the interest of family and friends, then it can be contry to self interest entirely. Are you legaleagle in disguise? What the f*** are you on about? Psychologist by background, human nature is the 'quantum theory' of psychology (but with philosophy rather than math). I understood about half of it. General consensus, everyone thinks they understand human nature, right up until they have to say what it is.
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