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Indefatigable South London 07 May 15 3.15pm | |
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Quote matt_himself at 06 May 2015 7.12pm
Quote nickgusset at 06 May 2015 7.09pm
Quote matt_himself at 06 May 2015 6.38pm
Despite your potshots at UKIP, you must be gutted that you have lost this election. Therefore, who do you blame? You've come in your pants there tootsie, if the latest polls are anything to go by...
So you are saying that Labour are left wing? Interesting. If you weren't why did you choose now to say that the left had lost? Surely they lost during Blair era New Labour when they ceased being left and moved over to the Centre. TUSC are the only real national Left Winger party and even they don't represent enough seats to be anything more than a fringe party. Voting for fringe parties isn't about winning or losing, but by showing the Major two parties there is (or isn't) a strong enough voice for or against a policy. As you say Ukip as a fringe party have been successful as the Tories and Labour have tightened their immigration policy. But likewise, any adoption of TUSC policy, and we aren't just talking about anti-austerity here, would represent a win for the left. To answer your question (although I'm still not 100% on what you consider left, only what I do so that is were my answer comes from) - it's too early to credit any Left wing success. The eventual (right wing) government will in their early month evaluate the governments power and need to adapt to what ever the post election left wing position/strength is and they will act accordingly. Politics is heavily skewed to the right and this will always affect left wing "wins" and they will be less instant. TUSC is in it's infancy and operating in right wing politics (see previous point). UKIP was founded in early 90's and it then took about 20 years to have it's first real breakthrough. TUSC 5 years ago. You're confusing Voters, with Media. Austerity is a massive issue to the voters, it's just played down through the media and by the big two as they don't want to make it a focal point of the election because it doesn't suit either of them. I find the very notion of left/right winning and losing as being a bit playground. They both require each other and we win or lose as a nation. I have a question for you, did you consider the result of the last election a win for the left?
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Indefatigable South London 07 May 15 3.15pm | |
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Quote matt_himself at 06 May 2015 7.51pm
Quote nickgusset at 06 May 2015 7.13pm
Quote matt_himself at 06 May 2015 7.12pm
Quote nickgusset at 06 May 2015 7.09pm
Quote matt_himself at 06 May 2015 6.38pm
Despite your potshots at UKIP, you must be gutted that you have lost this election. Therefore, who do you blame? You've come in your pants there tootsie, if the latest polls are anything to go by...
So you are saying that Labour are left wing? Interesting. No, that the anti austerity, we hold the balance of power, SNP are in the driving seat. Excuse me. Do you think Labour are 'anti austerity'? More to the point, why hasn't the 'anti austerity' got votes outside of Scotland? Well Scotland have apparently been hit harder by austerity. It'll most likely follow the pattern that anti-austerity voting will increase the longer the Tory's remain in power and will trickle down from the Scotland through the North and the Midlands and then from the West. It will also be represented more in local government at first as most people, even right wing, hold the opinion of don't spend money national, but I want it spent on me and my town.
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Eagle_SA Just outside Cape Town 07 May 15 3.17pm | |
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Quote mikebcpfc at 06 May 2015 8.44pm
Why is it when you discuss politics and peoples view's on it, most people, like on this thread - turn into complete and utter c***s?
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jamiemartin721 Reading 07 May 15 3.18pm | |
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Quote jamiemartin721 at 07 May 2015 10.48am
In reality of course most people don't seem to vote based on their MP, but on their MP's party. Most people?? I'd say more like 99.9% of voters go for the party rather than the person. I'm lucky in my constituency that the party I vote for has a decent candidate whereas the opposition candidate is an idiot - but even if roles were reversed, my vote would still be based on the party. That's the reality - if Kylie Minogue was the Labour candidate, even if she offered to let me smash her back doors in, she wouldn't get my vote That is the definition of madness. Bonkers.
Respect, I'd be holding out for a threesome in the bi election.
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Forest Hillbilly in a hidey-hole 07 May 15 5.17pm | |
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I met Amber Rudd in Sainsbury's (Sedlescombe) a few months ago. She was promoting the Tories at the entrance/exit. From that moment, I was in love. I would definitely smash her ballot box in, but I don't live in her constituency
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ghosteagle 07 May 15 5.20pm | |
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Quote Forest Hillbilly at 07 May 2015 5.17pm
I met Amber Rudd in Sainsbury's (Sedlescombe) a few months ago. She was promoting the Tories at the entrance/exit. From that moment, I was in love. I would definitely smash her ballot box in, but I don't live in her constituency
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reborn 07 May 15 5.21pm | |
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Surely the time has come for Proportional Representation now? It cant be right that a party can get 20% of the vote and have less than 100th of the MPs surely.
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Stuk Top half 07 May 15 5.32pm | |
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Quote reborn at 07 May 2015 5.21pm
Surely the time has come for Proportional Representation now? It cant be right that a party can get 20% of the vote and have less than 100th of the MPs surely.
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punksnotdead croydon 07 May 15 6.02pm | |
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Quote reborn at 07 May 2015 5.21pm
Surely the time has come for Proportional Representation now? It cant be right that a party can get 20% of the vote and have less than 100th of the MPs surely. The main parties would never go for proportional representation, it just doesn't suit their purpose as too many smaller parties would get seats in parliament so they would feel that they would have to make too many compromises on their policies.
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bubble wrap Carparks in South East London 07 May 15 6.30pm | |
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Quote matt_himself at 06 May 2015 6.38pm
Despite your potshots at UKIP, you must be gutted that you have lost this election. Therefore, who do you blame?
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TUX redhill 07 May 15 7.15pm | |
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Quote We are goin up! at 07 May 2015 9.22am
Quote matt_himself at 06 May 2015 7.58pm
Quote topcat at 06 May 2015 7.54pm
Quote matt_himself at 06 May 2015 6.38pm
Despite your potshots at UKIP, you must be gutted that you have lost this election. Therefore, who do you blame? I blame Ukip. They promised up to 40 MPs and were expected to split the far right vote. However despite the Tory election campaign being pretty poor they look as if they will be lucky to get a handful of MPs, possibly only one. Couldn't care less. Both the major parties have adopted UKIP policies to get votes. That is success.
If you believe that we live in a democracy then you are sadly wrong. Democracy my ar-e.
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derben 07 May 15 7.21pm | |
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Quote TUX at 07 May 2015 7.15pm
Quote We are goin up! at 07 May 2015 9.22am
Quote matt_himself at 06 May 2015 7.58pm
Quote topcat at 06 May 2015 7.54pm
Quote matt_himself at 06 May 2015 6.38pm
Despite your potshots at UKIP, you must be gutted that you have lost this election. Therefore, who do you blame? I blame Ukip. They promised up to 40 MPs and were expected to split the far right vote. However despite the Tory election campaign being pretty poor they look as if they will be lucky to get a handful of MPs, possibly only one. Couldn't care less. Both the major parties have adopted UKIP policies to get votes. That is success.
If you believe that we live in a democracy then you are sadly wrong. Democracy my ar-e. How do you suggest that things are run then?
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