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It's sad to see that people don't look further than the BBC... Totally agree, every debate audience has been hand picked from the SWP Meaning the entire audience was composed of rapists? Anyhow, SWP support 'credible' TUSC, which means their votes will be into double figures in some constituencies. I didn't even know Shaun Wright Philips was involved in the election. You would have thought he would have had enough of sitting on benches.
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I'm not voting UKIP. I am amazed, however, that a lot of people I know (particularly left-leaning ones, to be fair) seem totally disgusted by them. I had to step into one of those pointless Facebook battles when someone posted that UKIP and their supporters are a disgrace. It seems everyone is in favour of free speech, provided the person speaking agrees with their views. If you don't like UKIP, don't vote for them. Pretty simple. Shouting them down and referring to them as a disgrace, and even trying to associate them with the BNP because of some spurious, vague, and not even verified, assertion that Griffin will be voting for them (he's a far-right person, natural he's going to vote for the furthest right candidate, surely? Just like Mao would probably vote TUSC because they are the closest aligned to his own ideal, not because those ideals are the same) is surely a very poor effort at debate.
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I'm not voting UKIP. I am amazed, however, that a lot of people I know (particularly left-leaning ones, to be fair) seem totally disgusted by them. I had to step into one of those pointless Facebook battles when someone posted that UKIP and their supporters are a disgrace. It seems everyone is in favour of free speech, provided the person speaking agrees with their views. If you don't like UKIP, don't vote for them. Pretty simple. Shouting them down and referring to them as a disgrace, and even trying to associate them with the BNP because of some spurious, vague, and not even verified, assertion that Griffin will be voting for them (he's a far-right person, natural he's going to vote for the furthest right candidate, surely? Just like Mao would probably vote TUSC because they are the closest aligned to his own ideal, not because those ideals are the same) is surely a very poor effort at debate.
As far as I can see: he wants out of Europe ( no bad thing ) Have I missed the bit where he wants burning crosses at the end of every street where Johnny Foreigner lives. Some people on here are so up them selves they can literally lick their own tonsils.
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I'm not voting UKIP. I am amazed, however, that a lot of people I know (particularly left-leaning ones, to be fair) seem totally disgusted by them. I had to step into one of those pointless Facebook battles when someone posted that UKIP and their supporters are a disgrace. It seems everyone is in favour of free speech, provided the person speaking agrees with their views. If you don't like UKIP, don't vote for them. Pretty simple. Shouting them down and referring to them as a disgrace, and even trying to associate them with the BNP because of some spurious, vague, and not even verified, assertion that Griffin will be voting for them (he's a far-right person, natural he's going to vote for the furthest right candidate, surely? Just like Mao would probably vote TUSC because they are the closest aligned to his own ideal, not because those ideals are the same) is surely a very poor effort at debate.
As far as I can see: he wants out of Europe ( no bad thing ) Have I missed the bit where he wants burning crosses at the end of every street where Johnny Foreigner lives. Some people on here are so up them selves they can literally lick their own tonsils.
This perception interests me, as its not actually entirely accurate. Both the Conservatives and previous Labour governments pursued and implemented policy restrictions on immigration and citizenship that were tough, and arguably very close to restrictive. The problem is really with temporary EU migrant workers - and really only after the economic downturn (prior to that no one really cared that the woman making sandwiches in the canteen had Masters and was from Poland). The issue, is of course that a large part of the UK economy is entirely dependent on a) foreign investment b) a cheap EU labour force. UKIP can promise to end all that, because they don't have to ever do it. If Labour or the Conservatives make the same promise and win, then they actually have to shoot the UK economy in the head, over an issue that's really more 'ideological' due to the current economic situation, than anything else. Taking the migrant labour out of the question means jobs either go abroad, or the wages rise, which means costs rise, which results people being worse off, overall, and the government getting the blame. And then if growth does recover to a pre-2010 level, they'd need to rediscover that labour. If your UKIP (or the Greens) you can promise to do all manner of things that are economic suicide, but are popular, because you'll never get called on it. Unless of course you're the Lib Dems, who promised all kinds of things at the last election, and then got crucified by their own supporters for compromising them to form a coalition government (and now are likely to take more of a battering than a member of the Barrymore swim club).
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| Palacetinian Surrey Fam 05 May 15 2.38pm |
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When I saw the heading I thought this was a Nigel Pearson thread!
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When I saw the heading I thought this was a Nigel Pearson thread!
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Quote npn at 05 May 2015 1.46pm
I'm not voting UKIP. I am amazed, however, that a lot of people I know (particularly left-leaning ones, to be fair) seem totally disgusted by them. I had to step into one of those pointless Facebook battles when someone posted that UKIP and their supporters are a disgrace. It seems everyone is in favour of free speech, provided the person speaking agrees with their views. If you don't like UKIP, don't vote for them. Pretty simple. Shouting them down and referring to them as a disgrace, and even trying to associate them with the BNP because of some spurious, vague, and not even verified, assertion that Griffin will be voting for them (he's a far-right person, natural he's going to vote for the furthest right candidate, surely? Just like Mao would probably vote TUSC because they are the closest aligned to his own ideal, not because those ideals are the same) is surely a very poor effort at debate.
As far as I can see: he wants out of Europe ( no bad thing ) Have I missed the bit where he wants burning crosses at the end of every street where Johnny Foreigner lives. Some people on here are so up them selves they can literally lick their own tonsils.
This perception interests me, as its not actually entirely accurate. Both the Conservatives and previous Labour governments pursued and implemented policy restrictions on immigration and citizenship that were tough, and arguably very close to restrictive. The problem is really with temporary EU migrant workers - and really only after the economic downturn (prior to that no one really cared that the woman making sandwiches in the canteen had Masters and was from Poland). The issue, is of course that a large part of the UK economy is entirely dependent on a) foreign investment b) a cheap EU labour force. UKIP can promise to end all that, because they don't have to ever do it. If Labour or the Conservatives make the same promise and win, then they actually have to shoot the UK economy in the head, over an issue that's really more 'ideological' due to the current economic situation, than anything else. Taking the migrant labour out of the question means jobs either go abroad, or the wages rise, which means costs rise, which results people being worse off, overall, and the government getting the blame. And then if growth does recover to a pre-2010 level, they'd need to rediscover that labour. If your UKIP (or the Greens) you can promise to do all manner of things that are economic suicide, but are popular, because you'll never get called on it. Unless of course you're the Lib Dems, who promised all kinds of things at the last election, and then got crucified by their own supporters for compromising them to form a coalition government (and now are likely to take more of a battering than a member of the Barrymore swim club). Tighter controls on immagration is not fiscal suicide at all, Australia seem to be doing fine. And there also not part of the Euro Disaster. Thing is JM I'm not going to get booged down in a financial debate, it is long winded and boring, but your above post is just "scare mongering" as anything printed by the mail, or the Grauniad. I will say this though on finances, the next country to go bust in the Eurozone (Spain most likely)will get the last of the bale out money, then what ? Greece have basically all but said f*** you to the Germans. Thank christ the Tories kept the pound, or we'd be in just as big a pile of shyte as Germany who are owed billions with no chance of getting it back.
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Quote dannyh at 05 May 2015 3.30pm
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Quote npn at 05 May 2015 1.46pm
I'm not voting UKIP. I am amazed, however, that a lot of people I know (particularly left-leaning ones, to be fair) seem totally disgusted by them. I had to step into one of those pointless Facebook battles when someone posted that UKIP and their supporters are a disgrace. It seems everyone is in favour of free speech, provided the person speaking agrees with their views. If you don't like UKIP, don't vote for them. Pretty simple. Shouting them down and referring to them as a disgrace, and even trying to associate them with the BNP because of some spurious, vague, and not even verified, assertion that Griffin will be voting for them (he's a far-right person, natural he's going to vote for the furthest right candidate, surely? Just like Mao would probably vote TUSC because they are the closest aligned to his own ideal, not because those ideals are the same) is surely a very poor effort at debate.
As far as I can see: he wants out of Europe ( no bad thing ) Have I missed the bit where he wants burning crosses at the end of every street where Johnny Foreigner lives. Some people on here are so up them selves they can literally lick their own tonsils.
This perception interests me, as its not actually entirely accurate. Both the Conservatives and previous Labour governments pursued and implemented policy restrictions on immigration and citizenship that were tough, and arguably very close to restrictive. The problem is really with temporary EU migrant workers - and really only after the economic downturn (prior to that no one really cared that the woman making sandwiches in the canteen had Masters and was from Poland). The issue, is of course that a large part of the UK economy is entirely dependent on a) foreign investment b) a cheap EU labour force. UKIP can promise to end all that, because they don't have to ever do it. If Labour or the Conservatives make the same promise and win, then they actually have to shoot the UK economy in the head, over an issue that's really more 'ideological' due to the current economic situation, than anything else. Taking the migrant labour out of the question means jobs either go abroad, or the wages rise, which means costs rise, which results people being worse off, overall, and the government getting the blame. And then if growth does recover to a pre-2010 level, they'd need to rediscover that labour. If your UKIP (or the Greens) you can promise to do all manner of things that are economic suicide, but are popular, because you'll never get called on it. Unless of course you're the Lib Dems, who promised all kinds of things at the last election, and then got crucified by their own supporters for compromising them to form a coalition government (and now are likely to take more of a battering than a member of the Barrymore swim club). Tighter controls on immagration is not fiscal suicide at all, Australia seem to be doing fine. And there also not part of the Euro Disaster. Thing is JM I'm not going to get booged down in a financial debate, it is long winded and boring, but your above post is just "scare mongering" as anything printed by the mail, or the Grauniad. I will say this though on finances, the next country to go bust in the Eurozone (Spain most likely)will get the last of the bale out money, then what ? Greece have basically all but said f*** you to the Germans. Thank christ the Tories kept the pound, or we'd be in just as big a pile of shyte as Germany who are owed billions with no chance of getting it back. Australia also isn't in a position where its actively pursuing policy that would essentially mean a large part of the work force would be 'ineligible to work in the UK' which UKIP is pushing. Some of UKIPs policies I agree with. I want to see the removal of imported competition for low skilled work, but I also want to see those jobs filled by workers, on a decent living wage. The NHS 'tourism' issue is something that should be addressed, providing the costs of doing so aren't restrictive (the NHS isn't really set up to do this - and the last attempt to set the NHS up for that level of infrastructure management was a disaster). UKIP are like the Lib Dems, it was easy when they didn't have to deliver to their supporters. Once they did, they failed because they'd promised 'impossible dreams'. I'm not against a private NHS, Germany and France, both have a Private Health Care System, which is more effective and efficient than our own - Its about how you do it. That said, I've got no idea who I'm going to vote for. Probably it'll be Green on the basis of their drug policy.
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Quote jamiemartin721 at 05 May 2015 4.10pm
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Quote npn at 05 May 2015 1.46pm
I'm not voting UKIP. I am amazed, however, that a lot of people I know (particularly left-leaning ones, to be fair) seem totally disgusted by them. I had to step into one of those pointless Facebook battles when someone posted that UKIP and their supporters are a disgrace. It seems everyone is in favour of free speech, provided the person speaking agrees with their views. If you don't like UKIP, don't vote for them. Pretty simple. Shouting them down and referring to them as a disgrace, and even trying to associate them with the BNP because of some spurious, vague, and not even verified, assertion that Griffin will be voting for them (he's a far-right person, natural he's going to vote for the furthest right candidate, surely? Just like Mao would probably vote TUSC because they are the closest aligned to his own ideal, not because those ideals are the same) is surely a very poor effort at debate.
As far as I can see: he wants out of Europe ( no bad thing ) Have I missed the bit where he wants burning crosses at the end of every street where Johnny Foreigner lives. Some people on here are so up them selves they can literally lick their own tonsils.
This perception interests me, as its not actually entirely accurate. Both the Conservatives and previous Labour governments pursued and implemented policy restrictions on immigration and citizenship that were tough, and arguably very close to restrictive. The problem is really with temporary EU migrant workers - and really only after the economic downturn (prior to that no one really cared that the woman making sandwiches in the canteen had Masters and was from Poland). The issue, is of course that a large part of the UK economy is entirely dependent on a) foreign investment b) a cheap EU labour force. UKIP can promise to end all that, because they don't have to ever do it. If Labour or the Conservatives make the same promise and win, then they actually have to shoot the UK economy in the head, over an issue that's really more 'ideological' due to the current economic situation, than anything else. Taking the migrant labour out of the question means jobs either go abroad, or the wages rise, which means costs rise, which results people being worse off, overall, and the government getting the blame. And then if growth does recover to a pre-2010 level, they'd need to rediscover that labour. If your UKIP (or the Greens) you can promise to do all manner of things that are economic suicide, but are popular, because you'll never get called on it. Unless of course you're the Lib Dems, who promised all kinds of things at the last election, and then got crucified by their own supporters for compromising them to form a coalition government (and now are likely to take more of a battering than a member of the Barrymore swim club). Tighter controls on immagration is not fiscal suicide at all, Australia seem to be doing fine. And there also not part of the Euro Disaster. Thing is JM I'm not going to get booged down in a financial debate, it is long winded and boring, but your above post is just "scare mongering" as anything printed by the mail, or the Grauniad. I will say this though on finances, the next country to go bust in the Eurozone (Spain most likely)will get the last of the bale out money, then what ? Greece have basically all but said f*** you to the Germans. Thank christ the Tories kept the pound, or we'd be in just as big a pile of shyte as Germany who are owed billions with no chance of getting it back. Australia also isn't in a position where its actively pursuing policy that would essentially mean a large part of the work force would be 'ineligible to work in the UK' which UKIP is pushing. Some of UKIPs policies I agree with. I want to see the removal of imported competition for low skilled work, but I also want to see those jobs filled by workers, on a decent living wage. The NHS 'tourism' issue is something that should be addressed, providing the costs of doing so aren't restrictive (the NHS isn't really set up to do this - and the last attempt to set the NHS up for that level of infrastructure management was a disaster). UKIP are like the Lib Dems, it was easy when they didn't have to deliver to their supporters. Once they did, they failed because they'd promised 'impossible dreams'. I'm not against a private NHS, Germany and France, both have a Private Health Care System, which is more effective and efficient than our own - Its about how you do it. That said, I've got no idea who I'm going to vote for. Probably it'll be Green on the basis of their drug policy.
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I'm not voting UKIP. I am amazed, however, that a lot of people I know (particularly left-leaning ones, to be fair) seem totally disgusted by them. I had to step into one of those pointless Facebook battles when someone posted that UKIP and their supporters are a disgrace. It seems everyone is in favour of free speech, provided the person speaking agrees with their views. If you don't like UKIP, don't vote for them. Pretty simple. Shouting them down and referring to them as a disgrace, and even trying to associate them with the BNP because of some spurious, vague, and not even verified, assertion that Griffin will be voting for them (he's a far-right person, natural he's going to vote for the furthest right candidate, surely? Just like Mao would probably vote TUSC because they are the closest aligned to his own ideal, not because those ideals are the same) is surely a very poor effort at debate.
As far as I can see: he wants out of Europe ( no bad thing ) Have I missed the bit where he wants burning crosses at the end of every street where Johnny Foreigner lives. Some people on here are so up them selves they can literally lick their own tonsils.
This perception interests me, as its not actually entirely accurate. Both the Conservatives and previous Labour governments pursued and implemented policy restrictions on immigration and citizenship that were tough, and arguably very close to restrictive. The problem is really with temporary EU migrant workers - and really only after the economic downturn (prior to that no one really cared that the woman making sandwiches in the canteen had Masters and was from Poland). The issue, is of course that a large part of the UK economy is entirely dependent on a) foreign investment b) a cheap EU labour force. UKIP can promise to end all that, because they don't have to ever do it. If Labour or the Conservatives make the same promise and win, then they actually have to shoot the UK economy in the head, over an issue that's really more 'ideological' due to the current economic situation, than anything else. Taking the migrant labour out of the question means jobs either go abroad, or the wages rise, which means costs rise, which results people being worse off, overall, and the government getting the blame. And then if growth does recover to a pre-2010 level, they'd need to rediscover that labour. If your UKIP (or the Greens) you can promise to do all manner of things that are economic suicide, but are popular, because you'll never get called on it. Unless of course you're the Lib Dems, who promised all kinds of things at the last election, and then got crucified by their own supporters for compromising them to form a coalition government (and now are likely to take more of a battering than a member of the Barrymore swim club). Tighter controls on immagration is not fiscal suicide at all, Australia seem to be doing fine. And there also not part of the Euro Disaster. Thing is JM I'm not going to get booged down in a financial debate, it is long winded and boring, but your above post is just "scare mongering" as anything printed by the mail, or the Grauniad. I will say this though on finances, the next country to go bust in the Eurozone (Spain most likely)will get the last of the bale out money, then what ? Greece have basically all but said f*** you to the Germans. Thank christ the Tories kept the pound, or we'd be in just as big a pile of shyte as Germany who are owed billions with no chance of getting it back. Australia also isn't in a position where its actively pursuing policy that would essentially mean a large part of the work force would be 'ineligible to work in the UK' which UKIP is pushing. Not it is not, that is just made up bollicks, what UKIP ARE saying is that they want british jobs for British people, no matter what ethinicity you are. And for your information the Ozzies are far tougher on immagration than we are. Some of UKIPs policies I agree with. I want to see the removal of imported competition for low skilled work, but I also want to see those jobs filled by workers, on a decent living wage. That is the floor in the European free market, people with low standards of living in countries like Poland and Romania come to the UK work for Peanuts, send the money home, keeping the low wage down if there wasnt the people to pay low wages too, then the wage would go up, simple supply and demand economics. The NHS 'tourism' issue is something that should be addressed, providing the costs of doing so aren't restrictive (the NHS isn't really set up to do this - and the last attempt to set the NHS up for that level of infrastructure management was a disaster). Only because there are to many managers instigated by Labour who went Quango mad on the NHS, the management ( I use the term losely) needs gutting, and with NI numbers the Government already has the info it needs to start issuing NHS cards as photo ID. The cost would be negligable against the amount that would be saved. It may even stop people turning up at AE departments with a f***ing cold for christ sake, if they think they have to admit who they are first. UKIP are like the Lib Dems, it was easy when they didn't have to deliver to their supporters. Once they did, they failed because they'd promised 'impossible dreams'. And just how has UKIP failed by becoming (according to most poles) the third biggest party in local elections, I agree in the Kilroy Silk days they were seen as a bit of a joke, not so much these days, with the Tories seemingly open to a coalition to gain a majority. I'm not against a private NHS, Germany and France, both have a Private Health Care System, which is more effective and efficient than our own - Its about how you do it. No it is not. I lived in Germany for 4 years and the waiting times are bloody horrendous, I waited in an empty waiting room for 3 hours with my young daughter in agony with a dislocated elbow. The NHS should be a shinning beacon to the rest of the world, but it is chronically understaffed and has been mis-managed by a bunch of f***tards for at least the last twenty to thirty years. That said, I've got no idea who I'm going to vote for. Probably it'll be Green on the basis of their drug policy. You'd have to be a crack head to vote for those eco nutters
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I'm not voting UKIP. I am amazed, however, that a lot of people I know (particularly left-leaning ones, to be fair) seem totally disgusted by them. I had to step into one of those pointless Facebook battles when someone posted that UKIP and their supporters are a disgrace. It seems everyone is in favour of free speech, provided the person speaking agrees with their views. If you don't like UKIP, don't vote for them. Pretty simple. Shouting them down and referring to them as a disgrace, and even trying to associate them with the BNP because of some spurious, vague, and not even verified, assertion that Griffin will be voting for them (he's a far-right person, natural he's going to vote for the furthest right candidate, surely? Just like Mao would probably vote TUSC because they are the closest aligned to his own ideal, not because those ideals are the same) is surely a very poor effort at debate.
As far as I can see: he wants out of Europe ( no bad thing ) Have I missed the bit where he wants burning crosses at the end of every street where Johnny Foreigner lives. Some people on here are so up them selves they can literally lick their own tonsils.
This perception interests me, as its not actually entirely accurate. Both the Conservatives and previous Labour governments pursued and implemented policy restrictions on immigration and citizenship that were tough, and arguably very close to restrictive. The problem is really with temporary EU migrant workers - and really only after the economic downturn (prior to that no one really cared that the woman making sandwiches in the canteen had Masters and was from Poland). The issue, is of course that a large part of the UK economy is entirely dependent on a) foreign investment b) a cheap EU labour force. UKIP can promise to end all that, because they don't have to ever do it. If Labour or the Conservatives make the same promise and win, then they actually have to shoot the UK economy in the head, over an issue that's really more 'ideological' due to the current economic situation, than anything else. Taking the migrant labour out of the question means jobs either go abroad, or the wages rise, which means costs rise, which results people being worse off, overall, and the government getting the blame. And then if growth does recover to a pre-2010 level, they'd need to rediscover that labour. If your UKIP (or the Greens) you can promise to do all manner of things that are economic suicide, but are popular, because you'll never get called on it. Unless of course you're the Lib Dems, who promised all kinds of things at the last election, and then got crucified by their own supporters for compromising them to form a coalition government (and now are likely to take more of a battering than a member of the Barrymore swim club). Tighter controls on immagration is not fiscal suicide at all, Australia seem to be doing fine. And there also not part of the Euro Disaster. Thing is JM I'm not going to get booged down in a financial debate, it is long winded and boring, but your above post is just "scare mongering" as anything printed by the mail, or the Grauniad. I will say this though on finances, the next country to go bust in the Eurozone (Spain most likely)will get the last of the bale out money, then what ? Greece have basically all but said f*** you to the Germans. Thank christ the Tories kept the pound, or we'd be in just as big a pile of shyte as Germany who are owed billions with no chance of getting it back. Australia also isn't in a position where its actively pursuing policy that would essentially mean a large part of the work force would be 'ineligible to work in the UK' which UKIP is pushing. Some of UKIPs policies I agree with. I want to see the removal of imported competition for low skilled work, but I also want to see those jobs filled by workers, on a decent living wage. The NHS 'tourism' issue is something that should be addressed, providing the costs of doing so aren't restrictive (the NHS isn't really set up to do this - and the last attempt to set the NHS up for that level of infrastructure management was a disaster). UKIP are like the Lib Dems, it was easy when they didn't have to deliver to their supporters. Once they did, they failed because they'd promised 'impossible dreams'. I'm not against a private NHS, Germany and France, both have a Private Health Care System, which is more effective and efficient than our own - Its about how you do it. That said, I've got no idea who I'm going to vote for. Probably it'll be Green on the basis of their drug policy.
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