Ok so why not move somewhere like poland ? or romania even ?

Another, unmentioned thing in this whole debate is how we treat the asylum seekers who reach us. Most of the detention centres are privately run and incredibly secretive, rape, torture, intimidation and malnutrition have been known to occur. If you're gay, fleeing a country where homosexuality is outlawed, you are often locked up indefinitely, and suicide rates are massive.

Imagine that. You're born in a war-torn country, you escape on an arduous journey to North Africa, you get on a crowded boat, find yourself in England...and then you're abused, stuck in a detention centre and have no legal rights.

This is the problem of following this ludicrous 'Australian system'. Rather than dealing with poor human beings in a sympathetic manner, we see them as a national inconvenience and treat them like scum. F*cking disgusting, it really is.

And for those saying we can't find the money, surely if we can use quantitative easing to create free money for financial speculation, how about channeling just a few million of the billions they're creating towards helping, you know, people who actually need it?

Speak for yourself.

In Calais they have them in makeshift camp. We put them inside buildings with heat, light, beds and food.

How incredibly generous of us. We might even stop raping and torturing them if they're good.

Speak for yourself again.

Please, do provide the statistics of rapes and torture that you know so much about. And the number of deaths in these centres through malnutrition.

Or you could stop talking bollocks.

Stuk, I'm not going to have a go, because I think you're a smart bloke. I accept that you're political views are totally different to mine, and that probably means you read my posts looking to criticise, which is fair enough, but surely there are times where you can accept that what we as a country are doing is wrong even while you still support the government/establishment/national policy?

Like I say, the statistics for these detention centres are incredibly secretive, so I can't give you precise numbers. What I can give you though are the numerous personal accounts of what people have experienced in these places.

[Link] Homosexuals sent back to countries where it is outlawed

[Link] Woman not allowed to leave after man dies in detention centre, not attended to for 15 minutes.

[Link] Bullying and abuse towards LGBT asylum seekers.

[Link] Very good article about suicides in Yarl's Wood and general treatment.

[Link] Interview with former detainee.

I can go on if you want, but I'm getting bored of posting links. All I say Stuk, is rather than reading these looking for holes in what I've said or the articles themselves, look at what these pieces are saying is happening in our justice system, and ask whether or not we can and should be doing more. Regardless of whether people in other parts of the world are in worse positions, it is unspeakably depressing that we have people in our country living in these conditions.