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 Kermit8  Hevon 14 Mar 15 10.10pm |
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10 million Congolese died under the boot of colonialism through punishing work, illness and neglect in order to make European men rich through plunder. A fair part of Africa is fvcked up because the colonials fvcked it up before, during and the legacy of after.
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Stirlingsays  14 Mar 15 10.15pm |
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I am disgusted at the professionally offended left's claims that Phillip is a racist. I don't see any proof that he actually is. The reality is that he's a man who grew up in a very different world. It's the usual slimy slurs by the usual suspects.
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| legaleagle 14 Mar 15 10.33pm |
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Your posts have been very illuminating as to what you might consider not to be racist and inappropriate as a joke in 21st century Britain,but rather just good no problem old jokey banter.I respectfully disagree with you. nb.Disagreeing with Stirling does not automatically make one "slimy What to you might be "slimy slurs" might to others rather perfectly describe some of Philip's highly intelligent and witty outbursts. For a look at the man's full spectrum of funny jokey humour befitting a senior member of the ruling family,ambassador for Britain, and no doubt a clear indication of our civilised superiority compared to others Edited by legaleagle (14 Mar 2015 10.35pm)
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| Stirlingsays 14 Mar 15 10.41pm |
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Quote legaleagle at 14 Mar 2015 10.33pm
Your posts have been very illuminating as to what you might consider not to be racist and inappropriate as a joke in 21st century Britain,but rather just good no problem old jokey banter.I respectfully disagree with you. nb.Disagreeing with Stirling does not automatically make one "slimy What to you might be "slimy slurs" might to others rather perfectly describe some of Philip's highly intelligent and witty outbursts. For a look at the man's full spectrum of funny jokey humour befitting a senior member of the ruling family,ambassador for Britain, and no doubt a clear indication of our civilised superiority compared to others Edited by legaleagle (14 Mar 2015 10.35pm)
I think we might be onto something here.
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 14 Mar 15 11.07pm |
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Quote Stirlingsays at 14 Mar 2015 10.15pm
I am disgusted at the professionally offended left's claims that Phillip is a racist. I don't see any proof that he actually is. The reality is that he's a man who grew up in a very different world. It's the usual slimy slurs by the usual suspects.
There's no money in it innit! Slimy slurs? I remember how offended you were when i stated that thatch was mates with Saville, which she was.
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| Stirlingsays 15 Mar 15 8.29am |
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I am disgusted at the professionally offended left's claims that Phillip is a racist. I don't see any proof that he actually is. The reality is that he's a man who grew up in a very different world. It's the usual slimy slurs by the usual suspects.
There's no money in it innit! Slimy slurs? I remember how offended you were when i stated that thatch was mates with Saville, which she was. Phillip was being called a racist....That's what I regarded as going over the line. Whether something said is xenophobic or not is a judgement for the individual...Being xenophobic is 'unreasonably fearful of or hating anyone or anything foreign or strange'. That's what you called him....I don't see Phillip as hating or scared of foreigners. Considering the work that Phillip has and does do around the world working with foreigners, throughout his life, I think the usage of that word is too much. Phillip is from a different era, which wasn't politically correct and he obviously doesn't fear making jokes about what he sees. I don't see anything malicious in any of them and it's only the lefty professionally offended who pick up on it. Phillip is Greek in origin anyway......The whole charge is just silly. Finger pointing at Phillip and crying racist is just immature in my view.
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| Stirlingsays 15 Mar 15 8.32am |
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Quote nickgusset at 14 Mar 2015 11.07pm
Quote Stirlingsays at 14 Mar 2015 10.15pm
I am disgusted at the professionally offended left's claims that Phillip is a racist. I don't see any proof that he actually is. The reality is that he's a man who grew up in a very different world. It's the usual slimy slurs by the usual suspects.
There's no money in it innit! Slimy slurs? I remember how offended you were when i stated that thatch was mates with Saville, which she was.
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 15 Mar 15 9.27am |
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Professionally offended? An amateur argument.
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| Mr Palaceman 15 Mar 15 9.48am |
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People trying to help,others,what a strange thing to get that annoyed about.
30 years ago africa was a hellhole now its still a hellhole, why do we bother?
In real terms we give very little. We spend far far more on our own underclass....And so we should.....But it's wrong to say we shouldn't help fellow countries.....That's just humanity. if they want real help bend over and let whites rule, call me racist but blacks always f*ck it up. You just have to look at South Africa. Mandela hailed a hero but since he took ovr crime up economy down etc etc.
The funny thing is that I don't think that you are actually being abusive with this post. Ignorant maybe but not abusive. You haven't called anyone any names but what you are saying is essenstailly that if black people always "f@ck everything up" then really, it would make sense to you that black people should have no right to self determination. Black people should not vote or hold postitons of power, as "blacks always f@ck everything up". It should be left to white people and black people should "bend over" and take what is given to them, by I assume, people like yourself.. I wonder how your comments would sit with say, Bolasie or Zaha knowing that you sit in the stands or even Mark Wright, Salako or maybe Puncheon (who apparently doesn't like to talk to people while he is eating). I could mention Obama, Martin Luther King, Oprah, Denzil Washington, Muhammed Ali, Bob Marley, Kofi Annan, Pele, Maya Angelou, all from very different walks of life who according to you would just "f@ck everything up". Then you mention Nelson Mandela (and I wasn't a huge fan myself) but someone who undoubtly has inspired millions of people in his home and around the world. You point to the South African economy, do you not understand that people do not love the memory of that man the world over because of his economic skill, they love him because of his unselfish stand for the principle of his peoples right to decide their own future. If you put Mandela next to Cameron, Miliband, Klegg or Farage, they would all just blend into the shadows of nothingness compared to him. Such is the state of our politians today. They will all be long forgotten in just a few decades, remembered only as a list of names, buried in a Wiki article. Only Thatcher, (and again I am no fan) in our recent history will get a mention just because she was such a divisive figure in our history and even then only in our history. Who else of his type could really be held up in history along with him (love him or hate him). Martin Luther King, Ghandi and I'm only talking from a historical view as opposed to a personal view about the man. The reason I mention these three is that they all changed their countries and the worlds culture and enviroment beyond measure but according to you would just "f@ck everything up" and in truth, maybe they did for people with your views. I for one am glad they did, I thank them and I'm sure that for a long, long time to come, many others will also. Black and white. I hope you don't get red carded, because although I think your views, IMO, are silly, absurd, ignorant, I could go on, at least your views are known and can be challenged. Edited by Mr Palaceman (14 Mar 2015 5.46am) of course you can quote individual examples but as a society as a whole blacks tend to f*ck it up, I 100% stand by that comment. What a poor response to my post. You didn't address it at all. You gave the example of South Africa, I replied. You have singled out black society as a whole, unlike white society? So you are a white supremacist? Please clarify. There is something else that I noticed about you post. You stated that blacks should "bend over and let whites rule" From a psychological point of view, by using those terms, you are talking about the submission and humiliation of black people. They should bend over, submit, allow. You also state this as a precondition to receiving help. "..if they want real help bend over and let whites rule..". I assume this help should come from the likes of you. You seem to have a deep seated desire to control and dominate, hence the "bend over" terminoligy. These types of feelings have their root in lack of understanding and fear. You should really try and think about what you post. None the less, I would still like you to clarify your "Black society" comment.
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| Stirlingsays 15 Mar 15 9.49am |
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Quote nickgusset at 15 Mar 2015 9.27am
Professionally offended? An amateur argument. As for being an amateur....I like what you did there.....Whatever became of 'amateur wives'? Those were the days.....Non stick magazines....Professionally non stick. Edited by Stirlingsays (15 Mar 2015 9.57am)
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| Hoof Hearted 15 Mar 15 10.20am | |
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You just have to look at places like Zimbabwe. When it was colonial Rhodesia it prospered by exporting copper and had a great railway system. Now the railway is fcuked both financially and physically and only survives on handouts from China (in return for the major slice of the copper no doubt). It may have been un PC by the poster to suggest "blacks" always fcuk up... but the state of Africa kind of backs this statement up unfortunately... corruption, greed, incompetence.....
1.The copper was/is in the British colony of Northern Rhodesia now known as Zambia,as opposed to the British territory of Southern Rhodesia now known as Zimbabwe,so at least try to have a basic grasp of facts if you are going to advance an argument tending towards a proposition of inherent racial inferiority. 2.Take a look at places like Moldova,Uzbekistan. Note the health of the economies,their corruption etc,the extent to which their rulers f-up. and then take a look at the colour of the skin of the people that rule in those states.Poverty,corruption and repression do not stem from skin colour/race.The logic of your proposition is that we shouldn't vote for black politicians here due to inherent racial lesser ability to "govern" than those of a superior at governing white race.We are indeed headed back to the dark ages (no pun intended).
Makes little difference - it was an example of a major fcuk up that wouldn't have occurred under colonial rule. I don't think all black people are inferior but in Africa there are a lot of greedy/corrupt/incompetent people (who just happen to be black) now running most countries and sadly running them into the ground. The worst of the lot is Mugabe. As for your last point I'd rather vote for that Chukka fella than Balls/Miliband or Prescott. But he's had the benefit of our education system. Yup,makes little difference.They all look the same anyway,don't they, so no need to actually know the difference between one country and another. You are right,"we" didn't f-up under colonial rule in Central and Southern Africa at all.Everything ran perfectly for the rulers and we did very nicely indeed out of it and made a mint and lived in the lap of luxury there.Don't you worry about the majority in Northern and Southern Rhodesia,whose lot was somewhat worse then than now. Read up about it sometime. Who needed corruption to obtain access to wealth and power when we just lauded it and banned any access to it for them full stop?
There seems to be more poverty, more in-fighting, more famine etc to me. I don't disagree that GB benefitted immensely from the colonies, but there was order rather than chaos. Hoof,for what its worth my MA research was into the Central African Federation in the 1950's,which was comprised of Northern Rhodesia,Southern Rhodesia and Nyasaland (now Malawi). The lot of the average person was sh1t. IMO they were somewhat worse off than now and there weren't tv crews then filming a lot reporting things or the internet so it was a pretty isolated part of the world.When push came to shove back in Whitehall the "interests"of the settler always trumped those of the locals,including economically. There was "order" for the rulers and an appearance of order overall looking from outside since it appeared that way to many here. On the ground,the locals were basically in general terms exploited and shafted something rotten,so "we" set a good example for people to follow...For a local on the ground,I suspect life was viewed as tending more towards the "chaos" end of the spectrum than the "order" end. I'm being simplistic I know,but life can seem very ordered when the Master and Mistress know their place,as do the cook,maids,houseboys and gardner, especially when there's an iron fist available to back up the velvet glove any time anyone steps out of place and built in legal discrimination to make sure the locals don't get too uppity.Bit like feudalism was here and the deep South in the USA. Lots of poverty in the Southern USA today,but would many say they were better off then... Edited by legaleagle (14 Mar 2015 10.19pm) Interesting... you've sort of tried to "top trump me" with your MA studies...LOL I still feel the way I do though. I remember the time when the white farmers were driven out of their homes/farms to be taken over by the black farm workers and that wasn't good. They slaughtered the dairy herd for a quick steak dinner, then didn't utilise the expertise shown to them for decades... animal husbandry, crop efficiency etc... most farms failed and then the famine started. The likes of Robert Mugabe were allowed to flourish backed by vicious gangs and corrupt officials. I'm not buying that they were worse off before liberation. Most of the aid we send ends up as Private Jets, Limousines and flash Palaces sadly.
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| Stirlingsays 15 Mar 15 10.27am |
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Quote becky at 14 Mar 2015 9.24pm
CEO's salaries..... Save the Children £163K; British Red Cross £184K; Christian Aid £126K; Oxfam £119K...... bloody expensive all this 'goodwill' isn't it ....
Still, it isn't the CEO manning the coin collection boxes. Charities are manned by countless men and women across the country for free. Bloody heroes the lot of them.
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