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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 08 Mar 15 11.43am

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. I'd be amazed if the Tories got as many seats as in 2010.

If the Conservatives don't increase their number of seats on the back of an economic revival there WILL be questions "Asked in the house".

Since 2010, Conservatives have been getting Britain's economy back on track, cutting the deficit, backing businesses, creating jobs.

The plan is working. Britain's economy is recovering. But Labour's plans for more spending, more borrowing and more debt would wreck the progress the country has made - and mean chaos for the economy and higher taxes for hardworking families.

Think I shall now get off my "Soapbox" !


Edited by Willo (08 Mar 2015 10.47am)

Osborne has created more debt than all other labour governments combined. Yes very successful.


Surely most of our debt is what was inherited from Gordon.


A quick look at the actual evidence reveals that only two Labour governments have ever left office leaving the national debt higher than it was when they came to power, all of the others have lowered the national debt as a percentage of GDP.

On the two occasions that Labour oversaw increases in the national debt there were the mitigating circumstances of huge global financial crises. The Ramsay MacDonald government of 1929-31 coincided with the Wall Street Crash (they left a 12% increase in the debt to GDP ratio), and the Blair-Brown government of 1997-2010 coincided with the 2008 financial sector insolvency crisis (an 11% increase). The other Labour governments all reduced the scale of the national debt, Clement Attlee's 1945-51 government reduced the national debt by 40% of GDP despite having to rebuild the UK economy from the ruins of the Second World War. Harold Wilson's 1964-70 government reduced the national debt by 27% of GDP and even the Wilson-Callaghan government of 1974-79 managed to reduce the debt by 4% of GDP.

The majority of Labour governments have ended up reducing the national debt, and the two that didn't coincided with the biggest global financial crisis of the 20th Century and the biggest global financial crisis so far in the 21st Century.

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. I'd be amazed if the Tories got as many seats as in 2010.

If the Conservatives don't increase their number of seats on the back of an economic revival there WILL be questions "Asked in the house".

Since 2010, Conservatives have been getting Britain's economy back on track, cutting the deficit, backing businesses, creating jobs.

The plan is working. Britain's economy is recovering. But Labour's plans for more spending, more borrowing and more debt would wreck the progress the country has made - and mean chaos for the economy and higher taxes for hardworking families.

Think I shall now get off my "Soapbox" !


Edited by Willo (08 Mar 2015 10.47am)

Osborne has created more debt than all other labour governments combined. Yes very successful.


Surely most of our debt is what was inherited from Gordon.


A quick look at the actual evidence reveals that only two Labour governments have ever left office leaving the national debt higher than it was when they came to power, all of the others have lowered the national debt as a percentage of GDP.

On the two occasions that Labour oversaw increases in the national debt there were the mitigating circumstances of huge global financial crises. The Ramsay MacDonald government of 1929-31 coincided with the Wall Street Crash (they left a 12% increase in the debt to GDP ratio), and the Blair-Brown government of 1997-2010 coincided with the 2008 financial sector insolvency crisis (an 11% increase). The other Labour governments all reduced the scale of the national debt, Clement Attlee's 1945-51 government reduced the national debt by 40% of GDP despite having to rebuild the UK economy from the ruins of the Second World War. Harold Wilson's 1964-70 government reduced the national debt by 27% of GDP and even the Wilson-Callaghan government of 1974-79 managed to reduce the debt by 4% of GDP.

The majority of Labour governments have ended up reducing the national debt, and the two that didn't coincided with the biggest global financial crisis of the 20th Century and the biggest global financial crisis so far in the 21st Century.

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I'll debate with you Nick on what you think - I will not debate with your links.

 
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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 08 Mar 15 11.51am

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Quote Willo at 08 Mar 2015 10.47am

Quote chris123 at 08 Mar 2015 10.29am

. I'd be amazed if the Tories got as many seats as in 2010.

If the Conservatives don't increase their number of seats on the back of an economic revival there WILL be questions "Asked in the house".

Since 2010, Conservatives have been getting Britain's economy back on track, cutting the deficit, backing businesses, creating jobs.

The plan is working. Britain's economy is recovering. But Labour's plans for more spending, more borrowing and more debt would wreck the progress the country has made - and mean chaos for the economy and higher taxes for hardworking families.

Think I shall now get off my "Soapbox" !


Edited by Willo (08 Mar 2015 10.47am)

Osborne has created more debt than all other labour governments combined. Yes very successful.


Surely most of our debt is what was inherited from Gordon.


A quick look at the actual evidence reveals that only two Labour governments have ever left office leaving the national debt higher than it was when they came to power, all of the others have lowered the national debt as a percentage of GDP.

On the two occasions that Labour oversaw increases in the national debt there were the mitigating circumstances of huge global financial crises. The Ramsay MacDonald government of 1929-31 coincided with the Wall Street Crash (they left a 12% increase in the debt to GDP ratio), and the Blair-Brown government of 1997-2010 coincided with the 2008 financial sector insolvency crisis (an 11% increase). The other Labour governments all reduced the scale of the national debt, Clement Attlee's 1945-51 government reduced the national debt by 40% of GDP despite having to rebuild the UK economy from the ruins of the Second World War. Harold Wilson's 1964-70 government reduced the national debt by 27% of GDP and even the Wilson-Callaghan government of 1974-79 managed to reduce the debt by 4% of GDP.

The majority of Labour governments have ended up reducing the national debt, and the two that didn't coincided with the biggest global financial crisis of the 20th Century and the biggest global financial crisis so far in the 21st Century.

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I'll debate with you Nick on what you think - I will not debate with your links.


So when I give evidence, you give up. Fair enough.

 
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chris123 Flag hove actually 08 Mar 15 11.57am Send a Private Message to chris123 Add chris123 as a friend

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Quote Willo at 08 Mar 2015 10.47am

Quote chris123 at 08 Mar 2015 10.29am

. I'd be amazed if the Tories got as many seats as in 2010.

If the Conservatives don't increase their number of seats on the back of an economic revival there WILL be questions "Asked in the house".

Since 2010, Conservatives have been getting Britain's economy back on track, cutting the deficit, backing businesses, creating jobs.

The plan is working. Britain's economy is recovering. But Labour's plans for more spending, more borrowing and more debt would wreck the progress the country has made - and mean chaos for the economy and higher taxes for hardworking families.

Think I shall now get off my "Soapbox" !


Edited by Willo (08 Mar 2015 10.47am)

Osborne has created more debt than all other labour governments combined. Yes very successful.


Surely most of our debt is what was inherited from Gordon.


A quick look at the actual evidence reveals that only two Labour governments have ever left office leaving the national debt higher than it was when they came to power, all of the others have lowered the national debt as a percentage of GDP.

On the two occasions that Labour oversaw increases in the national debt there were the mitigating circumstances of huge global financial crises. The Ramsay MacDonald government of 1929-31 coincided with the Wall Street Crash (they left a 12% increase in the debt to GDP ratio), and the Blair-Brown government of 1997-2010 coincided with the 2008 financial sector insolvency crisis (an 11% increase). The other Labour governments all reduced the scale of the national debt, Clement Attlee's 1945-51 government reduced the national debt by 40% of GDP despite having to rebuild the UK economy from the ruins of the Second World War. Harold Wilson's 1964-70 government reduced the national debt by 27% of GDP and even the Wilson-Callaghan government of 1974-79 managed to reduce the debt by 4% of GDP.

The majority of Labour governments have ended up reducing the national debt, and the two that didn't coincided with the biggest global financial crisis of the 20th Century and the biggest global financial crisis so far in the 21st Century.

From [Link]


I'll debate with you Nick on what you think - I will not debate with your links.


So when I give evidence, you give up. Fair enough.

No, I've told you what I think - I haven't plugged my posts with links to what other people think.

 
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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 08 Mar 15 12.10pm

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Quote Willo at 08 Mar 2015 10.47am

Quote chris123 at 08 Mar 2015 10.29am

. I'd be amazed if the Tories got as many seats as in 2010.

If the Conservatives don't increase their number of seats on the back of an economic revival there WILL be questions "Asked in the house".

Since 2010, Conservatives have been getting Britain's economy back on track, cutting the deficit, backing businesses, creating jobs.

The plan is working. Britain's economy is recovering. But Labour's plans for more spending, more borrowing and more debt would wreck the progress the country has made - and mean chaos for the economy and higher taxes for hardworking families.

Think I shall now get off my "Soapbox" !


Edited by Willo (08 Mar 2015 10.47am)

Osborne has created more debt than all other labour governments combined. Yes very successful.


Surely most of our debt is what was inherited from Gordon.


A quick look at the actual evidence reveals that only two Labour governments have ever left office leaving the national debt higher than it was when they came to power, all of the others have lowered the national debt as a percentage of GDP.

On the two occasions that Labour oversaw increases in the national debt there were the mitigating circumstances of huge global financial crises. The Ramsay MacDonald government of 1929-31 coincided with the Wall Street Crash (they left a 12% increase in the debt to GDP ratio), and the Blair-Brown government of 1997-2010 coincided with the 2008 financial sector insolvency crisis (an 11% increase). The other Labour governments all reduced the scale of the national debt, Clement Attlee's 1945-51 government reduced the national debt by 40% of GDP despite having to rebuild the UK economy from the ruins of the Second World War. Harold Wilson's 1964-70 government reduced the national debt by 27% of GDP and even the Wilson-Callaghan government of 1974-79 managed to reduce the debt by 4% of GDP.

The majority of Labour governments have ended up reducing the national debt, and the two that didn't coincided with the biggest global financial crisis of the 20th Century and the biggest global financial crisis so far in the 21st Century.

From [Link]


I'll debate with you Nick on what you think - I will not debate with your links.


So when I give evidence, you give up. Fair enough.

No, I've told you what I think - I haven't plugged my posts with links to what other people think.


You've told me what you think, can you back it up with evidence? You know what I think so I backed it up with evidence that has helped shape my opinions.

 
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Quote Willo at 08 Mar 2015 10.47am

Quote chris123 at 08 Mar 2015 10.29am

. I'd be amazed if the Tories got as many seats as in 2010.

If the Conservatives don't increase their number of seats on the back of an economic revival there WILL be questions "Asked in the house".

Since 2010, Conservatives have been getting Britain's economy back on track, cutting the deficit, backing businesses, creating jobs.

The plan is working. Britain's economy is recovering. But Labour's plans for more spending, more borrowing and more debt would wreck the progress the country has made - and mean chaos for the economy and higher taxes for hardworking families.

Think I shall now get off my "Soapbox" !


Edited by Willo (08 Mar 2015 10.47am)

Osborne has created more debt than all other labour governments combined. Yes very successful.


Surely most of our debt is what was inherited from Gordon.


A quick look at the actual evidence reveals that only two Labour governments have ever left office leaving the national debt higher than it was when they came to power, all of the others have lowered the national debt as a percentage of GDP.

On the two occasions that Labour oversaw increases in the national debt there were the mitigating circumstances of huge global financial crises. The Ramsay MacDonald government of 1929-31 coincided with the Wall Street Crash (they left a 12% increase in the debt to GDP ratio), and the Blair-Brown government of 1997-2010 coincided with the 2008 financial sector insolvency crisis (an 11% increase). The other Labour governments all reduced the scale of the national debt, Clement Attlee's 1945-51 government reduced the national debt by 40% of GDP despite having to rebuild the UK economy from the ruins of the Second World War. Harold Wilson's 1964-70 government reduced the national debt by 27% of GDP and even the Wilson-Callaghan government of 1974-79 managed to reduce the debt by 4% of GDP.

The majority of Labour governments have ended up reducing the national debt, and the two that didn't coincided with the biggest global financial crisis of the 20th Century and the biggest global financial crisis so far in the 21st Century.

From [Link]


I'll debate with you Nick on what you think - I will not debate with your links.


So when I give evidence, you give up. Fair enough.

No, I've told you what I think - I haven't plugged my posts with links to what other people think.


You've told me what you think, can you back it up with evidence? You know what I think so I backed it up with evidence that has helped shape my opinions.


It's what I think Nick, that the debt is higher, that the debt was largely inherited, that the money in is less than the money out and while that continues to be the case, the debt will continue to grow. URL's to what other people think isn't really me debating is it - it's me debating by proxy for someone else opinion.

 
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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 08 Mar 15 12.36pm

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Quote Willo at 08 Mar 2015 10.47am

Quote chris123 at 08 Mar 2015 10.29am

. I'd be amazed if the Tories got as many seats as in 2010.

If the Conservatives don't increase their number of seats on the back of an economic revival there WILL be questions "Asked in the house".

Since 2010, Conservatives have been getting Britain's economy back on track, cutting the deficit, backing businesses, creating jobs.

The plan is working. Britain's economy is recovering. But Labour's plans for more spending, more borrowing and more debt would wreck the progress the country has made - and mean chaos for the economy and higher taxes for hardworking families.

Think I shall now get off my "Soapbox" !


Edited by Willo (08 Mar 2015 10.47am)

Osborne has created more debt than all other labour governments combined. Yes very successful.


Surely most of our debt is what was inherited from Gordon.


A quick look at the actual evidence reveals that only two Labour governments have ever left office leaving the national debt higher than it was when they came to power, all of the others have lowered the national debt as a percentage of GDP.

On the two occasions that Labour oversaw increases in the national debt there were the mitigating circumstances of huge global financial crises. The Ramsay MacDonald government of 1929-31 coincided with the Wall Street Crash (they left a 12% increase in the debt to GDP ratio), and the Blair-Brown government of 1997-2010 coincided with the 2008 financial sector insolvency crisis (an 11% increase). The other Labour governments all reduced the scale of the national debt, Clement Attlee's 1945-51 government reduced the national debt by 40% of GDP despite having to rebuild the UK economy from the ruins of the Second World War. Harold Wilson's 1964-70 government reduced the national debt by 27% of GDP and even the Wilson-Callaghan government of 1974-79 managed to reduce the debt by 4% of GDP.

The majority of Labour governments have ended up reducing the national debt, and the two that didn't coincided with the biggest global financial crisis of the 20th Century and the biggest global financial crisis so far in the 21st Century.

From [Link]


I'll debate with you Nick on what you think - I will not debate with your links.


So when I give evidence, you give up. Fair enough.

No, I've told you what I think - I haven't plugged my posts with links to what other people think.


You've told me what you think, can you back it up with evidence? You know what I think so I backed it up with evidence that has helped shape my opinions.


It's what I think Nick, that the debt is higher, that the debt was largely inherited, that the money in is less than the money out and while that continues to be the case, the debt will continue to grow. URL's to what other people think isn't really me debating is it - it's me debating by proxy for someone else opinion.


So where do you get the information that forms your opinion?

 
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. I'd be amazed if the Tories got as many seats as in 2010.

If the Conservatives don't increase their number of seats on the back of an economic revival there WILL be questions "Asked in the house".

Since 2010, Conservatives have been getting Britain's economy back on track, cutting the deficit, backing businesses, creating jobs.

The plan is working. Britain's economy is recovering. But Labour's plans for more spending, more borrowing and more debt would wreck the progress the country has made - and mean chaos for the economy and higher taxes for hardworking families.

Think I shall now get off my "Soapbox" !


Edited by Willo (08 Mar 2015 10.47am)

Osborne has created more debt than all other labour governments combined. Yes very successful.


Surely most of our debt is what was inherited from Gordon.


A quick look at the actual evidence reveals that only two Labour governments have ever left office leaving the national debt higher than it was when they came to power, all of the others have lowered the national debt as a percentage of GDP.

On the two occasions that Labour oversaw increases in the national debt there were the mitigating circumstances of huge global financial crises. The Ramsay MacDonald government of 1929-31 coincided with the Wall Street Crash (they left a 12% increase in the debt to GDP ratio), and the Blair-Brown government of 1997-2010 coincided with the 2008 financial sector insolvency crisis (an 11% increase). The other Labour governments all reduced the scale of the national debt, Clement Attlee's 1945-51 government reduced the national debt by 40% of GDP despite having to rebuild the UK economy from the ruins of the Second World War. Harold Wilson's 1964-70 government reduced the national debt by 27% of GDP and even the Wilson-Callaghan government of 1974-79 managed to reduce the debt by 4% of GDP.

The majority of Labour governments have ended up reducing the national debt, and the two that didn't coincided with the biggest global financial crisis of the 20th Century and the biggest global financial crisis so far in the 21st Century.

From [Link]


I'll debate with you Nick on what you think - I will not debate with your links.


So when I give evidence, you give up. Fair enough.

No, I've told you what I think - I haven't plugged my posts with links to what other people think.


You've told me what you think, can you back it up with evidence? You know what I think so I backed it up with evidence that has helped shape my opinions.


It's what I think Nick, that the debt is higher, that the debt was largely inherited, that the money in is less than the money out and while that continues to be the case, the debt will continue to grow. URL's to what other people think isn't really me debating is it - it's me debating by proxy for someone else opinion.


So where do you get the information that forms your opinion?


Newspapers, tv, radio, work, discussions with family, friends and colleagues

 
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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 08 Mar 15 12.51pm

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Quote chris123 at 08 Mar 2015 10.29am

. I'd be amazed if the Tories got as many seats as in 2010.

If the Conservatives don't increase their number of seats on the back of an economic revival there WILL be questions "Asked in the house".

Since 2010, Conservatives have been getting Britain's economy back on track, cutting the deficit, backing businesses, creating jobs.

The plan is working. Britain's economy is recovering. But Labour's plans for more spending, more borrowing and more debt would wreck the progress the country has made - and mean chaos for the economy and higher taxes for hardworking families.

Think I shall now get off my "Soapbox" !


Edited by Willo (08 Mar 2015 10.47am)

Osborne has created more debt than all other labour governments combined. Yes very successful.


Surely most of our debt is what was inherited from Gordon.


A quick look at the actual evidence reveals that only two Labour governments have ever left office leaving the national debt higher than it was when they came to power, all of the others have lowered the national debt as a percentage of GDP.

On the two occasions that Labour oversaw increases in the national debt there were the mitigating circumstances of huge global financial crises. The Ramsay MacDonald government of 1929-31 coincided with the Wall Street Crash (they left a 12% increase in the debt to GDP ratio), and the Blair-Brown government of 1997-2010 coincided with the 2008 financial sector insolvency crisis (an 11% increase). The other Labour governments all reduced the scale of the national debt, Clement Attlee's 1945-51 government reduced the national debt by 40% of GDP despite having to rebuild the UK economy from the ruins of the Second World War. Harold Wilson's 1964-70 government reduced the national debt by 27% of GDP and even the Wilson-Callaghan government of 1974-79 managed to reduce the debt by 4% of GDP.

The majority of Labour governments have ended up reducing the national debt, and the two that didn't coincided with the biggest global financial crisis of the 20th Century and the biggest global financial crisis so far in the 21st Century.

From [Link]


I'll debate with you Nick on what you think - I will not debate with your links.


So when I give evidence, you give up. Fair enough.

No, I've told you what I think - I haven't plugged my posts with links to what other people think.


You've told me what you think, can you back it up with evidence? You know what I think so I backed it up with evidence that has helped shape my opinions.


It's what I think Nick, that the debt is higher, that the debt was largely inherited, that the money in is less than the money out and while that continues to be the case, the debt will continue to grow. URL's to what other people think isn't really me debating is it - it's me debating by proxy for someone else opinion.


So where do you get the information that forms your opinion?


Newspapers, tv, radio, work, discussions with family, friends and colleagues


Same as me, except I've learned to take what is in the mainstream media with a pinch of salt so look beyond that.

So where is the evidence that the economy is the fastest improving in the world?

 
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Far too much of our opinion of Politics is formed by self - interested media bias. Actually all political parties have a lot of good ideas and do a lot of good for the country, but it doesn't make good headlines so the media scrutinise the minute details and create a sensation out of any whiff of scandal, then ram it down our throats til we s*** our various paraphrased versions of their spin and hold it out as our own political opinion.
As a result, politicians are so terrified of speaking their mind and giving an honest answer to a question for fear of whipping up the tabloid hyenas, that it's hard to tell what any of them truly stand for any more.
I will be voting conservative because I'm terrified of the prospect of what Labour might do to the fragile recovery, I would much rather be voting conservative because someone would have the guts to step out from behind the media soundbites and actually give me a straightforward manifesto to get interested in.

 
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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 08 Mar 15 12.56pm

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Far too much of our opinion of Politics is formed by self - interested media bias. Actually all political parties have a lot of good ideas and do a lot of good for the country, but it doesn't make good headlines so the media scrutinise the minute details and create a sensation out of any whiff of scandal, then ram it down our throats til we s*** our various paraphrased versions of their spin and hold it out as our own political opinion.
As a result, politicians are so terrified of speaking their mind and giving an honest answer to a question for fear of whipping up the tabloid hyenas, that it's hard to tell what any of them truly stand for any more.
I will be voting conservative because I'm terrified of the prospect of what Labour might do to the fragile recovery, I would much rather be voting conservative because someone would have the guts to step out from behind the media soundbites and actually give me a straightforward manifesto to get interested in.

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. I'd be amazed if the Tories got as many seats as in 2010.

If the Conservatives don't increase their number of seats on the back of an economic revival there WILL be questions "Asked in the house".

Since 2010, Conservatives have been getting Britain's economy back on track, cutting the deficit, backing businesses, creating jobs.

The plan is working. Britain's economy is recovering. But Labour's plans for more spending, more borrowing and more debt would wreck the progress the country has made - and mean chaos for the economy and higher taxes for hardworking families.

Think I shall now get off my "Soapbox" !


Edited by Willo (08 Mar 2015 10.47am)

Osborne has created more debt than all other labour governments combined. Yes very successful.


Surely most of our debt is what was inherited from Gordon.


A quick look at the actual evidence reveals that only two Labour governments have ever left office leaving the national debt higher than it was when they came to power, all of the others have lowered the national debt as a percentage of GDP.

On the two occasions that Labour oversaw increases in the national debt there were the mitigating circumstances of huge global financial crises. The Ramsay MacDonald government of 1929-31 coincided with the Wall Street Crash (they left a 12% increase in the debt to GDP ratio), and the Blair-Brown government of 1997-2010 coincided with the 2008 financial sector insolvency crisis (an 11% increase). The other Labour governments all reduced the scale of the national debt, Clement Attlee's 1945-51 government reduced the national debt by 40% of GDP despite having to rebuild the UK economy from the ruins of the Second World War. Harold Wilson's 1964-70 government reduced the national debt by 27% of GDP and even the Wilson-Callaghan government of 1974-79 managed to reduce the debt by 4% of GDP.

The majority of Labour governments have ended up reducing the national debt, and the two that didn't coincided with the biggest global financial crisis of the 20th Century and the biggest global financial crisis so far in the 21st Century.

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I'll debate with you Nick on what you think - I will not debate with your links.


So when I give evidence, you give up. Fair enough.

No, I've told you what I think - I haven't plugged my posts with links to what other people think.


You've told me what you think, can you back it up with evidence? You know what I think so I backed it up with evidence that has helped shape my opinions.


It's what I think Nick, that the debt is higher, that the debt was largely inherited, that the money in is less than the money out and while that continues to be the case, the debt will continue to grow. URL's to what other people think isn't really me debating is it - it's me debating by proxy for someone else opinion.


So where do you get the information that forms your opinion?


Newspapers, tv, radio, work, discussions with family, friends and colleagues


Same as me, except I've learned to take what is in the mainstream media with a pinch of salt so look beyond that.

So where is the evidence that the economy is the fastest improving in the world?


At no point have I said anything about the speed of growth in the economy. My comments have been purely on the debt and the deficit.

 
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