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ParchmoreEagle Flag Belair 20 Feb 15 11.51pm

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Quote Ouzo Dan at 20 Feb 2015 8.14am

Ray Comfort is a Creationist lunatic, He shouldnt be banned from speaking but he should be ridiculed like this

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The Crocoduck explained to Ray Comfort..
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The 2nd link really does expose Mr Comfort as someone unwilling to change his mind when presented with new facts. Unfortunately that is how a lot- not all- religious people come across.
I can't say 100% the earth goes round the sun. It seems highly probable based on the evidence and the origin of species does need some faith. BUT if new evidence came along I'd change my mind.

If God appeared and did a few miracles I'd change my mind. I don't think I'd start going to church as im not comfortable with the idea of worship. That seems based on years of fear of the weather and natural disasters.
but this Ray comfort will not will not change his mind. All this quoting the exact time he found God. Nonsense.

If you have any other links Parchmore I'm willing to give them a go but they need to be a lot better than evangelists with blind faith.

And that's the key difference, and what makes certain arguments central, they fit the evidence we have, better than the previous explaination.

Clinging to an anti-evolution ideology is like clinging to the idea of the sun orbiting the earth, its in denial of all evidence to the contry, that disproved the realiability of the original prevailing belief.

The retention of this belief is based primarily in the necessity to accept Genesis as being literally true and on discursive trickery - where as Evolutionary theory is based on actual evidence (to reject evolution would also mean rejecting genetics - something we know is a fact).

But people like this aren't interested in anything other than their own power and status, over others.



Try this:
Four Scientific Reasons That Refute Evolution

by Brian Thomas, M.S. *

Evidence for Creation


Some claim that evolution is unbiblical and unscientific. Others claim that science proves evolution. Which view is right? Four clear observations show why evolution—which asserts that fish became fishermen by nature’s provision of new biological information—is utterly unscientific.

1. Fossils do not show evolution.

Many undisputed fossil lineups should show transitions between the unrelated creatures that evolutionists insist share common ancestry. But the few fossil forms claimed by some evolutionists to represent transitions between basic kinds are disputed by other evolutionists on scientific grounds.1

2. Living creatures do not evolve between kinds.

Experiments designed to detect evolution should have caught a glimpse by now, but they have not. When researchers simulated fruit fly evolution by systematically altering each portion of fruit fly DNA, they found only three resulting fruit fly categories, published in 1980: normal, mutant, or dead.2 A 2010 study found no net fruit fly evolution after 600 generations.3 Similarly, microbiologists watched 40,000 generations of E. coli bacteria become normal, mutant, or dead.4 None truly evolved.5

Big-picture evolution did not happen in the past, and it is not happening now. Other evidence excludes evolution from real science.

3. Genetic entropy rules out evolution.

Population geneticists count and describe genetic mutations over many generations in creatures like plants and people. Mutations are copying errors in the coded information carried by cells. The overwhelming majority of mutations have almost no effect on the body. Also, far more of these nearly neutral mutations slightly garble genetic information than any others that might construct new and useful information.6 Therefore, many more slightly harmful mutations accumulate than any other kind of mutation—a process called “genetic entropy.” Each individual carries his own mutations, plus those inherited from all prior generations.

Cells are left to interpret the damaged information like scholars who try to reconstruct text from tattered ancient scrolls. Ultimately, too little information remains, resulting in cell death and eventually extinction. Genetic entropy refutes evolution by ensuring that information is constantly garbled and by limiting the total generations to far fewer than evolutionary history requires.

4. All-or-nothing vital features refute evolution.

Finally, transitioning between basic kinds is not possible because it would disable vital creature features. For example, the reptile two-way lung could not morph into a bird’s unique one-way lung. The reptile lung would have to stop breathing while it waited for evolution to either construct or transfer function to the new bones, air sacs, and parabronchi required by the new bird system.7 Such a creature would suffocate in minutes, ending its evolution.

Similarly, to transition from an amphibian’s three-chambered heart to a mammal’s four-chambered heart would require either a new internal heart wall that would block vital blood flow, or new heart vessels that would fatally disrupt the amphibian’s vital blood flow.

These four observations show why the unbiblical evolutionary idea that creatures change without limits is unscientific. If creatures evolved through nature—and not God—then Scripture is not trustworthy, since from beginning to end it credits God as Creator.8 But science clearly confirms the Genesis creation account.

References
1. See the appendix in Morris, J. and F. Sherwin. 2009. The Fossil Record. Dallas, TX: Institute for Creation Research.
2. Nüsslein-Volhard, C. and E. Wieschaus. 1980. Mutations affecting segment number and polarity in Drosophila. Nature. 287 (5785): 795-801.
3. Burke, M. K. et al. 2010. Genome-wide analysis of a long-term evolution experiment with Drosophila. Nature. 467 (7315): 587-590.
4. Barrick, J. E. et al. 2009. Genome evolution and adaptation in a long-term experiment with Escherichia coli. Nature. 461 (726: 1243- 1247.
5. Some bacteria began to access citrate for food. However, the new function probably resulted from loss-of-information mutations. See Behe, M. J. 2010. Experimental Evolution, Loss-of-Function Mutations and “The First Rule of Adaptive Evolution.” The Quarterly Review of Biology. 85 (4): 419-445.
6. Sanford, J. 2008. Genetic Entropy & the Mystery of the Genome. Waterloo, NY: FMS Publications.
7. Thomas, B. Do New Dinosaur Finger Bones Solve a Bird Wing Problem? ICR News. Posted on icr.org July 9, 2009, accessed March 9, 2012.
8. See Genesis 1, Jeremiah 27:5, and Revelation 4:11.

* Mr. Thomas is Science Writer at the Institute for Creation Research.

Cite this article: Thomas, B. 2012. Four Scientific Reasons That Refute Evolution. Acts & Facts. 41 (5): 17.
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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 21 Feb 15 9.33pm

Quote ParchmoreEagle at 20 Feb 2015 11.51pm

1. Fossils do not show evolution.

Many undisputed fossil lineups should show transitions between the unrelated creatures that evolutionists insist share common ancestry. But the few fossil forms claimed by some evolutionists to represent transitions between basic kinds are disputed by other evolutionists on scientific grounds.

They show, they do not prove. Palentology demonstrates the capacity to define species traits across time spans that are shared by extinct species and existent species - Which is compatable with evolution

For example, when examining species of equine that have been extinct and currently existant species of equine which didn't co-exist, you can make a reasonable argument that the species are both related with the origin of one being based on the other, despite the differences between them.

One thing that's over looked is the importance of remembering that species currently existant now, did not exist in the past - But bear a similarities to species that did previously exist, but have become extinct.

This presents a case of a continual development across time, in which species change, new species come into existence, and other species become extinct.

Quote ParchmoreEagle at 20 Feb 2015 11.51pm

2. Living creatures do not evolve between kinds.

Experiments designed to detect evolution should have caught a glimpse by now, but they have not. When researchers simulated fruit fly evolution by systematically altering each portion of fruit fly DNA, they found only three resulting fruit fly categories, published in 1980: normal, mutant, or dead.2 A 2010 study found no net fruit fly evolution after 600 generations.3 Similarly, microbiologists watched 40,000 generations of E. coli bacteria become normal, mutant, or dead.4 None truly evolved.5

This is entirely untrue, given the fact that species of rats become immune to posions, the mutagenic nature of flu and the fact that antibiotic immune strains of diseases occur in periods of time.

No one has seen an entirely new species develop (but that would take millions of years), however evolutionary change within a species is very well documented and demonstrated.

These are evolutionary because they involve RANDOM SELECTION and ENVIROMENTAL FITNESS

Quote ParchmoreEagle at 20 Feb 2015 11.51pm

Big-picture evolution did not happen in the past, and it is not happening now. Other evidence excludes evolution from real science.

Ok so explain why both the modern Horse share similarities to Eohippus, despite the modern horse having no historical period of cross over.

Quote ParchmoreEagle at 20 Feb 2015 11.51pm

3. Genetic entropy rules out evolution.

Population geneticists count and describe genetic mutations over many generations in creatures like plants and people. Mutations are copying errors in the coded information carried by cells. The overwhelming majority of mutations have almost no effect on the body. Also, far more of these nearly neutral mutations slightly garble genetic information than any others that might construct new and useful information.6 Therefore, many more slightly harmful mutations accumulate than any other kind of mutation—a process called “genetic entropy.” Each individual carries his own mutations, plus those inherited from all prior generations.

Cells are left to interpret the damaged information like scholars who try to reconstruct text from tattered ancient scrolls. Ultimately, too little information remains, resulting in cell death and eventually extinction. Genetic entropy refutes evolution by ensuring that information is constantly garbled and by limiting the total generations to far fewer than evolutionary history requires.

It doesn't, Evolution is based on traits, not genes. Whilst Genetics is the process of cellular production and reproduction, it is not the same as an evolutionary trait, it is associated to a trait.

You need to read more about what evolution is and isn't, rather than 'why it doesn't exist'. Evolution is the development of a species, through natural selection and environment fitness.


Quote ParchmoreEagle at 20 Feb 2015 11.51pm
Finally, transitioning between basic kinds is not possible because it would disable vital creature features. For example, the reptile two-way lung could not morph into a bird’s unique one-way lung. The reptile lung would have to stop breathing while it waited for evolution to either construct or transfer function to the new bones, air sacs, and parabronchi required by the new bird system.7 Such a creature would suffocate in minutes, ending its evolution.

Only if you completely misunderstand that system develop over time by small changes, not by instant changes. The eye is the best example of this. The eye couldn't occur as one mutation. However, all species generally demonstrate some kind of light sensitivity (jellyfish have light sensitive cells). What happens is over the course of species changes to these cells, that improve survival chances (and sight is very useful) eventually create an increasingly complex system, resulting in the eye.

Changes that create a new species occur over hundreds of millions of years of gradual small scale evolutionary changes. Not as the result of a single change.

Quote ParchmoreEagle at 20 Feb 2015 11.51pm

Similarly, to transition from an amphibian’s three-chambered heart to a mammal’s four-chambered heart would require either a new internal heart wall that would block vital blood flow, or new heart vessels that would fatally disrupt the amphibian’s vital blood flow.

No it wouldn't. See above. The change isn't 'single step changes' but squences of very small changes (consistant with genetic entropy incidently) that are inherited across generations, and over generations these in more noticeable changes.

Quote ParchmoreEagle at 20 Feb 2015 11.51pm

These four observations show why the unbiblical evolutionary idea that creatures change without limits is unscientific. If creatures evolved through nature—and not God—then Scripture is not trustworthy, since from beginning to end it credits God as Creator.8 But science clearly confirms the Genesis creation account.

They don't and evolution doesn't posit changes without limits. Limits are provided by environmental benefit and sexual selection.

Of course, if god is the creator, then the question becomes why is the human being so flawed? Why did no one mention the T-Rex and other huge f**king dinosaurs in the bible and of course why the Christanity is so down on incest, given there was only ever Adam and Eve.

 


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Well done Jamie. I really could not be bothered knocking down this creationist tosh. I admire your patience. There really is no point trying to start a sensible conversation with people who believe in magic floods, talking snakes, levitation and Giants. It is a bit like believing in Harry Potter.

 


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ParchmoreEagle Flag Belair 22 Feb 15 3.30am

Quote jamiemartin721 at 21 Feb 2015 9.33pm

Quote ParchmoreEagle at 20 Feb 2015 11.51pm

1. Fossils do not show evolution.

Many undisputed fossil lineups should show transitions between the unrelated creatures that evolutionists insist share common ancestry. But the few fossil forms claimed by some evolutionists to represent transitions between basic kinds are disputed by other evolutionists on scientific grounds.

They show, they do not prove. Palentology demonstrates the capacity to define species traits across time spans that are shared by extinct species and existent species - Which is compatable with evolution

For example, when examining species of equine that have been extinct and currently existant species of equine which didn't co-exist, you can make a reasonable argument that the species are both related with the origin of one being based on the other, despite the differences between them.

One thing that's over looked is the importance of remembering that species currently existant now, did not exist in the past - But bear a similarities to species that did previously exist, but have become extinct.

This presents a case of a continual development across time, in which species change, new species come into existence, and other species become extinct.

Quote ParchmoreEagle at 20 Feb 2015 11.51pm

2. Living creatures do not evolve between kinds.

Experiments designed to detect evolution should have caught a glimpse by now, but they have not. When researchers simulated fruit fly evolution by systematically altering each portion of fruit fly DNA, they found only three resulting fruit fly categories, published in 1980: normal, mutant, or dead.2 A 2010 study found no net fruit fly evolution after 600 generations.3 Similarly, microbiologists watched 40,000 generations of E. coli bacteria become normal, mutant, or dead.4 None truly evolved.5

This is entirely untrue, given the fact that species of rats become immune to posions, the mutagenic nature of flu and the fact that antibiotic immune strains of diseases occur in periods of time.

No one has seen an entirely new species develop (but that would take millions of years), however evolutionary change within a species is very well documented and demonstrated.

These are evolutionary because they involve RANDOM SELECTION and ENVIROMENTAL FITNESS

Quote ParchmoreEagle at 20 Feb 2015 11.51pm

Big-picture evolution did not happen in the past, and it is not happening now. Other evidence excludes evolution from real science.

Ok so explain why both the modern Horse share similarities to Eohippus, despite the modern horse having no historical period of cross over.

Quote ParchmoreEagle at 20 Feb 2015 11.51pm

3. Genetic entropy rules out evolution.

Population geneticists count and describe genetic mutations over many generations in creatures like plants and people. Mutations are copying errors in the coded information carried by cells. The overwhelming majority of mutations have almost no effect on the body. Also, far more of these nearly neutral mutations slightly garble genetic information than any others that might construct new and useful information.6 Therefore, many more slightly harmful mutations accumulate than any other kind of mutation—a process called “genetic entropy.” Each individual carries his own mutations, plus those inherited from all prior generations.

Cells are left to interpret the damaged information like scholars who try to reconstruct text from tattered ancient scrolls. Ultimately, too little information remains, resulting in cell death and eventually extinction. Genetic entropy refutes evolution by ensuring that information is constantly garbled and by limiting the total generations to far fewer than evolutionary history requires.

It doesn't, Evolution is based on traits, not genes. Whilst Genetics is the process of cellular production and reproduction, it is not the same as an evolutionary trait, it is associated to a trait.

You need to read more about what evolution is and isn't, rather than 'why it doesn't exist'. Evolution is the development of a species, through natural selection and environment fitness.


Quote ParchmoreEagle at 20 Feb 2015 11.51pm
Finally, transitioning between basic kinds is not possible because it would disable vital creature features. For example, the reptile two-way lung could not morph into a bird’s unique one-way lung. The reptile lung would have to stop breathing while it waited for evolution to either construct or transfer function to the new bones, air sacs, and parabronchi required by the new bird system.7 Such a creature would suffocate in minutes, ending its evolution.

Only if you completely misunderstand that system develop over time by small changes, not by instant changes. The eye is the best example of this. The eye couldn't occur as one mutation. However, all species generally demonstrate some kind of light sensitivity (jellyfish have light sensitive cells). What happens is over the course of species changes to these cells, that improve survival chances (and sight is very useful) eventually create an increasingly complex system, resulting in the eye.

Changes that create a new species occur over hundreds of millions of years of gradual small scale evolutionary changes. Not as the result of a single change.

Quote ParchmoreEagle at 20 Feb 2015 11.51pm

Similarly, to transition from an amphibian’s three-chambered heart to a mammal’s four-chambered heart would require either a new internal heart wall that would block vital blood flow, or new heart vessels that would fatally disrupt the amphibian’s vital blood flow.

No it wouldn't. See above. The change isn't 'single step changes' but squences of very small changes (consistant with genetic entropy incidently) that are inherited across generations, and over generations these in more noticeable changes.

Quote ParchmoreEagle at 20 Feb 2015 11.51pm

These four observations show why the unbiblical evolutionary idea that creatures change without limits is unscientific. If creatures evolved through nature—and not God—then Scripture is not trustworthy, since from beginning to end it credits God as Creator.8 But science clearly confirms the Genesis creation account.

They don't and evolution doesn't posit changes without limits. Limits are provided by environmental benefit and sexual selection.

Of course, if god is the creator, then the question becomes why is the human being so flawed? Why did no one mention the T-Rex and other huge f**king dinosaurs in the bible and of course why the Christanity is so down on incest, given there was only ever Adam and Eve.


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John 3:16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. 17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. 18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son. 19 This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but people loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil.

Romans 1:18 The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of people, who suppress the truth by their wickedness, 19 since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. 20 For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.

21 For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened.

Revelation 21:6 He said to me: “It is done. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End. To the thirsty I will give water without cost from the spring of the water of life. 7 Those who are victorious will inherit all this, and I will be their God and they will be my children. 8 But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars—they will be consigned to the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death.”

 


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Hoof Hearted 22 Feb 15 10.23am

Kin 'ell.... reading this thread is worse than answering the front door to a Jehovah's Witness.

 

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Kin 'ell.... reading this thread is worse than answering the front door to a Jehovah's Witness.


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I had a great night, an extra log by the fire for me! Marshmallow anyone?

 


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Of course, if god is the creator, then the question becomes why is the human being so flawed? Why did no one mention the T-Rex and other huge f**king dinosaurs in the bible and of course why the Christanity is so down on incest, given there was only ever Adam and Eve.


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Did you even look at that first link? - the author himself suggests they may be talking about a Hippo!
He then ties himself up in knots about dinosaurs existing 6000 years ago, fire breathing crocodiles etc. and finally says no one knows but you'll find out when you get to heaven.

Stop posting links that are bonkers!
No one minds you having faith and getting comfort from religion. Good for you. But admit that the whole Bible shouldn't be taken literally and that beliefs can be adapted and you may just stuble upon the path to enlightenment.

 


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Quote ParchmoreEagle at 22 Feb 2015 3.30am insist share common ancestry. But the few fossil forms claimed by some evolutionists to represent transitions
John 3:16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. 17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. 18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son. 19 This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but people loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil.

Its a bit of a rambling verse, sounds like Christian Right wingers trying to explain Natural Selection. Also, why is darkness evil, light is simply the presence of photons?

Quote ParchmoreEagle at 22 Feb 2015 3.30am

Romans 1:18 The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of people, who suppress the truth by their wickedness, 19 since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. 20 For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.

You should take heed, because evolution is a process of creation, which is the manifestation of gods will, denying its truth is rejecting what god has made plain - the divine nature of gods invisible qualities are evolution.

Only very stupid people think that Genesis is a literal truth.

Quote ParchmoreEagle at 22 Feb 2015 3.30am
21 For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened.

I thought they only had to believe in his son, there's a contradiction in your post. There was nothing about glorification or giving thanks in John 3:16 above.

So which is it.

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Revelation 21:6 He said to me: “It is done. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End. To the thirsty I will give water without cost from the spring of the water of life. 7 Those who are victorious will inherit all this, and I will be their God and they will be my children. 8 But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars—they will be consigned to the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death.”

Which one of the 230 books of revelation is the true version? Also you do realise its a prophecy of the fall of the Roman empire, right? Its not even remotely about the modern world.

Cut and paste is for weaklings, please present your argument in either Coptic or Koine Greek - The St James translation is a very poor translation.


 


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Quote jamiemartin721 at 22 Feb 2015 9.36pm

Quote ParchmoreEagle at 22 Feb 2015 3.30am insist share common ancestry. But the few fossil forms claimed by some evolutionists to represent transitions
John 3:16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. 17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. 18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son. 19 This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but people loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil.

Its a bit of a rambling verse, sounds like Christian Right wingers trying to explain Natural Selection. Also, why is darkness evil, light is simply the presence of photons?

Quote ParchmoreEagle at 22 Feb 2015 3.30am

Romans 1:18 The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of people, who suppress the truth by their wickedness, 19 since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. 20 For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.

You should take heed, because evolution is a process of creation, which is the manifestation of gods will, denying its truth is rejecting what god has made plain - the divine nature of gods invisible qualities are evolution.

Only very stupid people think that Genesis is a literal truth.

Quote ParchmoreEagle at 22 Feb 2015 3.30am
21 For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened.

I thought they only had to believe in his son, there's a contradiction in your post. There was nothing about glorification or giving thanks in John 3:16 above.

So which is it.

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Revelation 21:6 He said to me: “It is done. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End. To the thirsty I will give water without cost from the spring of the water of life. 7 Those who are victorious will inherit all this, and I will be their God and they will be my children. 8 But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars—they will be consigned to the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death.”

Which one of the 230 books of revelation is the true version? Also you do realise its a prophecy of the fall of the Roman empire, right? Its not even remotely about the modern world.

Cut and paste is for weaklings, please present your argument in either Coptic or Koine Greek - The St James translation is a very poor translation.


'Saint James' version? Never heard of that one. Do you mean 'King James'? You're not the academic you're trying to portray yourself as, are you?

 


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Quote ParchmoreEagle at 22 Feb 2015 9.50pm

Quote jamiemartin721 at 22 Feb 2015 9.36pm

Quote ParchmoreEagle at 22 Feb 2015 3.30am insist share common ancestry. But the few fossil forms claimed by some evolutionists to represent transitions
John 3:16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. 17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. 18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son. 19 This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but people loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil.

Its a bit of a rambling verse, sounds like Christian Right wingers trying to explain Natural Selection. Also, why is darkness evil, light is simply the presence of photons?

Quote ParchmoreEagle at 22 Feb 2015 3.30am

Romans 1:18 The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of people, who suppress the truth by their wickedness, 19 since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. 20 For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.

You should take heed, because evolution is a process of creation, which is the manifestation of gods will, denying its truth is rejecting what god has made plain - the divine nature of gods invisible qualities are evolution.

Only very stupid people think that Genesis is a literal truth.

Quote ParchmoreEagle at 22 Feb 2015 3.30am
21 For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened.

I thought they only had to believe in his son, there's a contradiction in your post. There was nothing about glorification or giving thanks in John 3:16 above.

So which is it.

Quote ParchmoreEagle at 22 Feb 2015 3.30am

Revelation 21:6 He said to me: “It is done. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End. To the thirsty I will give water without cost from the spring of the water of life. 7 Those who are victorious will inherit all this, and I will be their God and they will be my children. 8 But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars—they will be consigned to the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death.”

Which one of the 230 books of revelation is the true version? Also you do realise its a prophecy of the fall of the Roman empire, right? Its not even remotely about the modern world.

Cut and paste is for weaklings, please present your argument in either Coptic or Koine Greek - The St James translation is a very poor translation.


'Saint James' version? Never heard of that one. Do you mean 'King James'? You're not the academic you're trying to portray yourself as, are you?

That's the one. I'm not an academic, I work in IT. Which is fine, because you're not the messianic saviour you so desire to be.


 


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Quote ParchmoreEagle at 22 Feb 2015 3.30am insist share common ancestry. But the few fossil forms claimed by some evolutionists to represent transitions
John 3:16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. 17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. 18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son. 19 This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but people loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil.

Its a bit of a rambling verse, sounds like Christian Right wingers trying to explain Natural Selection. Also, why is darkness evil, light is simply the presence of photons?

Quote ParchmoreEagle at 22 Feb 2015 3.30am

Romans 1:18 The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of people, who suppress the truth by their wickedness, 19 since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. 20 For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.

You should take heed, because evolution is a process of creation, which is the manifestation of gods will, denying its truth is rejecting what god has made plain - the divine nature of gods invisible qualities are evolution.

Only very stupid people think that Genesis is a literal truth.

Quote ParchmoreEagle at 22 Feb 2015 3.30am
21 For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened.

I thought they only had to believe in his son, there's a contradiction in your post. There was nothing about glorification or giving thanks in John 3:16 above.

So which is it.

Quote ParchmoreEagle at 22 Feb 2015 3.30am

Revelation 21:6 He said to me: “It is done. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End. To the thirsty I will give water without cost from the spring of the water of life. 7 Those who are victorious will inherit all this, and I will be their God and they will be my children. 8 But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars—they will be consigned to the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death.”

Which one of the 230 books of revelation is the true version? Also you do realise its a prophecy of the fall of the Roman empire, right? Its not even remotely about the modern world.

Cut and paste is for weaklings, please present your argument in either Coptic or Koine Greek - The St James translation is a very poor translation.


'Saint James' version? Never heard of that one. Do you mean 'King James'? You're not the academic you're trying to portray yourself as, are you?

That's the one. I'm not an academic, I work in IT. Which is fine, because you're not the messianic saviour you so desire to be.



After years of thinking about it, I now believe it's a case of Creation AND Evolution, or indeed, creation, INCLUDING Evolution...as opposed to Creation OR Evolution.

 

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