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serial thriller Flag The Promised Land 08 Nov 14 12.11am Send a Private Message to serial thriller Add serial thriller as a friend

Quote Y Ddraig Goch at 07 Nov 2014 11.22pm

The man is a complete cock.

The capitalism he "hates" has allowed him to have a very comfy lifestyle including a rather lavish wedding by anyone's standards never mind a "revolutionary" and also fund his upcoming film.

The reality is that capitalism ultimately works because it fits in with human nature far better than any other well meaning "we are all equal" rhetoric

You, sir, have been successfully brainwashed.

 


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matt_himself Flag Matataland 08 Nov 14 4.04am Send a Private Message to matt_himself Add matt_himself as a friend

Quote serial thriller at 08 Nov 2014 12.11am

Quote Y Ddraig Goch at 07 Nov 2014 11.22pm

The man is a complete cock.

The capitalism he "hates" has allowed him to have a very comfy lifestyle including a rather lavish wedding by anyone's standards never mind a "revolutionary" and also fund his upcoming film.

The reality is that capitalism ultimately works because it fits in with human nature far better than any other well meaning "we are all equal" rhetoric

You, sir, have been successfully brainwashed.

You are not yet 25 and we know you know it all.

Your views will change over time and you will realise the folly of your current views.

 


"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

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Kermit8 Flag Hevon 08 Nov 14 8.16am Send a Private Message to Kermit8 Add Kermit8 as a friend

Quote matt_himself at 08 Nov 2014 4.04am

Quote serial thriller at 08 Nov 2014 12.11am

Quote Y Ddraig Goch at 07 Nov 2014 11.22pm

The man is a complete cock.

The capitalism he "hates" has allowed him to have a very comfy lifestyle including a rather lavish wedding by anyone's standards never mind a "revolutionary" and also fund his upcoming film.

The reality is that capitalism ultimately works because it fits in with human nature far better than any other well meaning "we are all equal" rhetoric

You, sir, have been successfully brainwashed.

You are not yet 25 and we know you know it all.

Your views will change over time and you will realise the folly of your current views.


Nice patronisation.

He's right. Greed, selfishness and over consumption are not natural everyday human attributes but character flaws in the few which have been encouraged in the many in the name of corporate mega profit over the last few decades.

 


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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 08 Nov 14 8.28am

Quote Y Ddraig Goch at 07 Nov 2014 11.22pm

The man is a complete cock.

The capitalism he "hates" has allowed him to have a very comfy lifestyle including a rather lavish wedding by anyone's standards never mind a "revolutionary" and also fund his upcoming film.

The reality is that capitalism ultimately works because it fits in with human nature far better than any other well meaning "we are all equal" rhetoric

Doesn't exist, its a convenient phrase that's used to justify something as being an necessary truth, without the presentation of evidence - despite the fact that there is absolutely no real evidence of anything being classed as human nature outside of certain physiological reactions. To class a hypothetical concept as human nature is a poor rhetoric trick that is a secularised version of gods will or the right of kings etc.

The excellent [Link] is a good starting point for understanding the complexity of human nature as a subject (note that this has since been expanded to include twelve different perspective theories about human nature).


 


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Johnny Eagles Flag berlin 08 Nov 14 8.59am Send a Private Message to Johnny Eagles Add Johnny Eagles as a friend

Russell Brand is definitely a bell-end of the highest calibre.

I don't think it's worth pursuing the 'celebrity champagne socialist' stuff (though I'm certain he is one). One should play the ball and not the man where Mr Brand is concerned. Because the nihilist, cartoon version of politics is actually potentially dangerous if he were to infect enough people with it.

He gets an incredible amount of publicity for what is, ultimately, a pretty shallow world view. His views are more the stuff of this messageboard than scholarship or insight. Sure, he uses lots of long words but he is not half as clever as he thinks he is. I heard him on 'Start the Week' on Radio 4 the other week. He was nauseatingly annoying. He interrupted, asked fatuous questions, tried to take over and generally annoyed the other guests who actually had something worthwhile to contribute. In short, he made a tit of himself.

One thing I notice about Mr Brand is that, despite using long words and a mixture of flattery and condescension, he rarely engages properly with the arguments put to him. A slippery character.

 


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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 08 Nov 14 9.10am

Everything is geared towards the pursuit of making money for the haves and not the have not and f*** the consequences. People evicted from places so landlords can increase rents - rail against this Matt and it will help Sharon a lot more, food shipped around the world instead of being used locally - why are British apples being sent to south Africa to be cleaned then sent back to shops only a few miles from where they are picked, why does the U. S export as much beef as it imports? Isn't that a bit illogical? Workers being paid a pittance, unions being derided to make driving down wages and putting profits up for those at the top easier , hospitals built under exorbitant pfi terms, schools turned into money making academies.

When the banks and financiers f***ed up, were they punished? No, the debts of trillions were written off and they started again. Social benefits are being stripped to pay for it. Why don't we just wipe off the national debt instead?
Anyone who says that these things shouldn't happen are derided and ridiculed. The greens are anti austerity so they're not being included in televised election debates because Murdoch and his mates stand to lose the most. If the greens are so wrong, let them in on the debate anyway and let Joe public see the arguments for and against. Could it be the anti austerity groups have a point? The establishment are scared of the alternative arguments, so they sweep it under the carpet and deride it. Brand has a point, but instead of arguing why he is wrong, he's ridiculed.

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Southampton_Eagle Flag At the after party 08 Nov 14 9.20am Send a Private Message to Southampton_Eagle Add Southampton_Eagle as a friend

I knew Russel when we were teenagers.

He's always been a prick and he's no different with money amd fame than he was when he was poor & a nobody.

 

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Johnny Eagles Flag berlin 08 Nov 14 9.21am Send a Private Message to Johnny Eagles Add Johnny Eagles as a friend

Quote nickgusset at 07 Nov 2014 6.13pm

Bit of a knob Russell is, but, having listened to a lot of his latest book, speaks a lot of truths.
The fact he has a lot of salient points is the reason, to my mind, why he is being crucified in the media as it is those who have their fingers in the metaphorical pies that he is railing against.

Example: fracking. We only hear good things about fracking in much of the news corps press, which a lot of people believe cos it's 'in the paper' with lots of lovely diagrams and stuff. Turns out, Murdoch is on the board of directors of a major fracking organisation in the states, so it's in his interest to make shale gas look all lovely. Of course he won't allow any negative press about it- poisoning the landscape, rendering water flammable etc etc cos it'll affect his profits.


So of course he is being discredited...

Edited by nickgusset (07 Nov 2014 6.15pm)


Do you read all of the news corp press every day? If not, how are you basing your assertion?

Fracking is controversial. Both sides are constantly aired in the media. The idea that there's a conspiracy to silence critics is frankly laughable.

More to the point, has Russell Brand said anything about fracking? Ever?

From what I understand his "thesis" is a hotchpotch of vaguely collectivist solutions to problems, such as energy supply in Brazil or whatever, to which he has added a tedious, anti-authoritarian cry for "revolution" against the "establishment", to which, one could argue, he actually belongs and is doing rather nicely out of it.

 


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Percy of Peckham Flag Eton Mess 08 Nov 14 9.28am Send a Private Message to Percy of Peckham Add Percy of Peckham as a friend

Whilst I wouldn't disagree with everything he says ...it should not detract from the fact he is incredibly irritating and at times obnoxious. I've never really been sure where his "talent" lies or why he is regarded as a celebrity. He is certainly not a warrior because he'd have to be someone I'd look up to - he'd probably make a great politician or a bell end as they are very similar in my book.

 


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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 08 Nov 14 9.29am

Quote Johnny Eagles at 08 Nov 2014 9.21am

Quote nickgusset at 07 Nov 2014 6.13pm

Bit of a knob Russell is, but, having listened to a lot of his latest book, speaks a lot of truths.
The fact he has a lot of salient points is the reason, to my mind, why he is being crucified in the media as it is those who have their fingers in the metaphorical pies that he is railing against.

Example: fracking. We only hear good things about fracking in much of the news corps press, which a lot of people believe cos it's 'in the paper' with lots of lovely diagrams and stuff. Turns out, Murdoch is on the board of directors of a major fracking organisation in the states, so it's in his interest to make shale gas look all lovely. Of course he won't allow any negative press about it- poisoning the landscape, rendering water flammable etc etc cos it'll affect his profits.


So of course he is being discredited...

Edited by nickgusset (07 Nov 2014 6.15pm)


Do you read all of the news corp press every day? If not, how are you basing your assertion?

Fracking is controversial. Both sides are constantly aired in the media. The idea that there's a conspiracy to silence critics is frankly laughable.

More to the point, has Russell Brand said anything about fracking? Ever?

From what I understand his "thesis" is a hotchpotch of vaguely collectivist solutions to problems, such as energy supply in Brazil or whatever, to which he has added a tedious, anti-authoritarian cry for "revolution" against the "establishment", to which, one could argue, he actually belongs and is doing rather nicely out of it.


He mentions it in Revolution. Why would Murdoch publish anti fracking info if he would stand to lose from it?
Read the book, he covers the issues you mention. It's a bit wordy, but he has a lot of salient points. Get a copy from the library (if it hasn't been shut down)

 

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Hoof Hearted 08 Nov 14 9.59am

Quote Mongo Like Clunge at 07 Nov 2014 8.25pm

Quote nickgusset at 07 Nov 2014 7.13pm
It's easier to take the piss out of the messenger than answer the questions / issues he brings up.


The message? The questions? Russell Brand's take on things - in my humble opinion, is akin to revolutionary tourettes. What is his message? I'm not sure even he knows, to be honest. It's so verbosely contrived that he actually talks himself around in a circle half the time.

Also, he's very keen to point out the failures of society without offering viable non-uptopian, practical solutions, reasonable alternatives or even just a consistent approach to any one issue.

Half the time it sounds like he's swallowed a thesaurus, vomited it back up and proceeded to sit and eat it, whilst discussing its merits. Most of what he says is a confused nonsense of pseudo-political, revolutionary rhetoric with no cognisant use in modern day socio-economic practices.

See, he has me at it now. PARKLIFE!


You just summed him up completely for me Mongo (Jim'll).

 

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Hoof Hearted 08 Nov 14 10.03am

Quote Percy of Peckham at 08 Nov 2014 9.28am

Whilst I wouldn't disagree with everything he says ...it should not detract from the fact he is incredibly irritating and at times obnoxious. I've never really been sure where his "talent" lies or why he is regarded as a celebrity. He is certainly not a warrior because he'd have to be someone I'd look up to - he'd probably make a great politician or a bell end as they are very similar in my book.


Agreed... he certainly lost any respect he might of had when he did that stunt on air with Woss taking the p1ss out of 'Manuel' and his grand-daughter.

 

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