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Stuk Top half 07 Apr 14 2.24pm
Quote MKCPFC at 07 Apr 2014 12.39am This post has been merged from a topic called 'Tom Ince' by Hambo Quote Vaibow at 07 Apr 2014 12.29am I thought it was great getting him and hoped he would be used as an impact sub - to step up and fight a relegation battle in a higher league is a big ask - but he had the hype to go with it. It hasn't worked out, yet.. but let's be honest, look at Bolaise, KG, Gayle and even Williams at the start of this season - he needs game time. It's a great learning curve though - hopefully he will learn to talk when spoken to and say what is required - he often spook highly of himself and told the 'lads he expects to be booed at swansea' no sh*t sherlock. He will hopefully learn to bulk up, earn his spot. Having said that, he will probably go abroad Three points earned against relegation rivals look good to me . And as said in previous post Pulis will use him as and when required, I agree with both of your posts, MKCPFC. Edited by Stuk (07 Apr 2014 2.25pm) Optimistic as ever
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Top half 07 Apr 14 2.24pm

Quote MKCPFC at 07 Apr 2014 12.39am

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Quote Vaibow at 07 Apr 2014 12.29am

I thought it was great getting him and hoped he would be used as an impact sub - to step up and fight a relegation battle in a higher league is a big ask - but he had the hype to go with it.

It hasn't worked out, yet.. but let's be honest, look at Bolaise, KG, Gayle and even Williams at the start of this season - he needs game time.

It's a great learning curve though - hopefully he will learn to talk when spoken to and say what is required - he often spook highly of himself and told the 'lads he expects to be booed at swansea' no sh*t sherlock.
He will hopefully learn to bulk up, earn his spot.

Having said that, he will probably go abroad

Three points earned against relegation rivals look good to me . And as said in previous post Pulis will use him as and when required,

I agree with both of your posts, MKCPFC.

Edited by Stuk (07 Apr 2014 2.25pm)

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alaneagle1 Dunstable,Bedfordshire.England 07 Apr 14 3.32pm
Quote silvertop at 07 Apr 2014 1.47pm Quote Plane at 07 Apr 2014 1.29pm Quote paperhat at 07 Apr 2014 12.43pm Quote silvertop at 07 Apr 2014 12.03pm This post has been merged from a topic called 'Tom Ince' by Hambo Quote Mstrobez at 07 Apr 2014 11.45am He's started 3 games, one of which he was extremely impressive, how can anyone say whether or not he is ready etc? You don't know? People are quick to right off players on this site - I spent the majority of the season backing Puncheon saying although a little frustrating at times, he has more quality then a lot of players in the squad, look at him now? Tom Ince could be huge and you cannot judge someone on the base of 3 games. Give the guy a chance ffs! To be fair to the negative posters, he was not signed on as an investment. You cannot apply the Joniesta argument for this one. The club paid £1m and a hefty wage bill for the privilege of having him on loan for only FOURTEEN games. We pay an additional £1m if we stay up; that's a lot if he is only considered good enough for 3 games. You do not pay those sorts of monies for a loanee unless he is capable of hitting the ground running from the off and carrying on that form to the end. While you may say he has repaid the money with the baggies game alone, it is not difficult to have some sympathy for those who think £2m plus a hefty wage for just one decent game - did we not deserve more? For my part, I hope we get the points we need quickly so Ince can play the final 3/4 games with little risk to the club's future; that he shines bright; and we sign a superb player on a permanent basis who goes on to be a club legend. may I ask, how do we know what we paid for Ince and what 'hefty' wage he's on? I'm not sure what silvertop is on about, he will be on the wage that was agreed in his contract with Blackpool, that's the rules. The rumours are that we paid a £1m loan fee and I've never heard anything about a additional £1m fee (paid to whom, I don't know)if we stay up. I did read that we are paying for his accommodation at Canary Wharf, which is fair enough. Have I accidentally walked into "Pedant's Corner"? Have you both missed the substantive point? Even if the additional £1m payment is wrong [sorry if so, I read that somewhere and accepted it as fact] paying a £1m premium for a loanee for only 14 games suggests that he should be of a standard to play all or the bulk of those 14 games - either starting or coming on as a scary impact sub. While I accept the need to rotate, that is not this manager's want. Had he been of the standard he was hyped up to be, he would have been one of those who play every week. He isn't; and hasn't been. He has not been signed as one for the future [see the post I responded to] as he is only a loanee for less than half a season. Thus, comments like "give him a chance" are ones we can apply to Gayle and Joniesta; not Ince. Thus, people have a right to be disappointed. However, if we took him on loan on the basis that he would either be sensational from day one or we would be better placed to pitch for him on a permanent deal while in situ, then the deal doesn't have the appearance of a flop. The way the 8 games have panned out so far, he has not had the opportunity to be used by TP as an IMPACT SUB. The simplest thing to do as MKCPFC said, is leave it to the Maestro Pulis. He seems to know more than us lot. Palace 13th 2017/18.
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Dunstable,Bedfordshire.England 07 Apr 14 3.32pm

Quote silvertop at 07 Apr 2014 1.47pm

Quote Plane at 07 Apr 2014 1.29pm

Quote paperhat at 07 Apr 2014 12.43pm

Quote silvertop at 07 Apr 2014 12.03pm

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Quote Mstrobez at 07 Apr 2014 11.45am

He's started 3 games, one of which he was extremely impressive, how can anyone say whether or not he is ready etc? You don't know?

People are quick to right off players on this site - I spent the majority of the season backing Puncheon saying although a little frustrating at times, he has more quality then a lot of players in the squad, look at him now?

Tom Ince could be huge and you cannot judge someone on the base of 3 games.

Give the guy a chance ffs!

To be fair to the negative posters, he was not signed on as an investment. You cannot apply the Joniesta argument for this one. The club paid £1m and a hefty wage bill for the privilege of having him on loan for only FOURTEEN games. We pay an additional £1m if we stay up; that's a lot if he is only considered good enough for 3 games. You do not pay those sorts of monies for a loanee unless he is capable of hitting the ground running from the off and carrying on that form to the end. While you may say he has repaid the money with the baggies game alone, it is not difficult to have some sympathy for those who think £2m plus a hefty wage for just one decent game - did we not deserve more?

For my part, I hope we get the points we need quickly so Ince can play the final 3/4 games with little risk to the club's future; that he shines bright; and we sign a superb player on a permanent basis who goes on to be a club legend.

may I ask, how do we know what we paid for Ince and what 'hefty' wage he's on?

I'm not sure what silvertop is on about, he will be on the wage that was agreed in his contract with Blackpool, that's the rules. The rumours are that we paid a £1m loan fee and I've never heard anything about a additional £1m fee (paid to whom, I don't know)if we stay up. I did read that we are paying for his accommodation at Canary Wharf, which is fair enough.

Have I accidentally walked into "Pedant's Corner"? Have you both missed the substantive point? Even if the additional £1m payment is wrong [sorry if so, I read that somewhere and accepted it as fact] paying a £1m premium for a loanee for only 14 games suggests that he should be of a standard to play all or the bulk of those 14 games - either starting or coming on as a scary impact sub. While I accept the need to rotate, that is not this manager's want. Had he been of the standard he was hyped up to be, he would have been one of those who play every week. He isn't; and hasn't been.

He has not been signed as one for the future [see the post I responded to] as he is only a loanee for less than half a season. Thus, comments like "give him a chance" are ones we can apply to Gayle and Joniesta; not Ince. Thus, people have a right to be disappointed.

However, if we took him on loan on the basis that he would either be sensational from day one or we would be better placed to pitch for him on a permanent deal while in situ, then the deal doesn't have the appearance of a flop.

The way the 8 games have panned out so far, he has not had the opportunity to be used by TP as an IMPACT SUB.
The simplest thing to do as MKCPFC said, is leave it to the Maestro Pulis.
He seems to know more than us lot.

Palace 13th 2017/18.

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goodersgold Hastings 07 Apr 14 3.35pm
Quote alaneagle1 at 07 Apr 2014 3.32pm Quote silvertop at 07 Apr 2014 1.47pm Quote Plane at 07 Apr 2014 1.29pm Quote paperhat at 07 Apr 2014 12.43pm Quote silvertop at 07 Apr 2014 12.03pm This post has been merged from a topic called 'Tom Ince' by Hambo Quote Mstrobez at 07 Apr 2014 11.45am He's started 3 games, one of which he was extremely impressive, how can anyone say whether or not he is ready etc? You don't know? People are quick to right off players on this site - I spent the majority of the season backing Puncheon saying although a little frustrating at times, he has more quality then a lot of players in the squad, look at him now? Tom Ince could be huge and you cannot judge someone on the base of 3 games. Give the guy a chance ffs! To be fair to the negative posters, he was not signed on as an investment. You cannot apply the Joniesta argument for this one. The club paid £1m and a hefty wage bill for the privilege of having him on loan for only FOURTEEN games. We pay an additional £1m if we stay up; that's a lot if he is only considered good enough for 3 games. You do not pay those sorts of monies for a loanee unless he is capable of hitting the ground running from the off and carrying on that form to the end. While you may say he has repaid the money with the baggies game alone, it is not difficult to have some sympathy for those who think £2m plus a hefty wage for just one decent game - did we not deserve more? For my part, I hope we get the points we need quickly so Ince can play the final 3/4 games with little risk to the club's future; that he shines bright; and we sign a superb player on a permanent basis who goes on to be a club legend. may I ask, how do we know what we paid for Ince and what 'hefty' wage he's on? I'm not sure what silvertop is on about, he will be on the wage that was agreed in his contract with Blackpool, that's the rules. The rumours are that we paid a £1m loan fee and I've never heard anything about a additional £1m fee (paid to whom, I don't know)if we stay up. I did read that we are paying for his accommodation at Canary Wharf, which is fair enough. Have I accidentally walked into "Pedant's Corner"? Have you both missed the substantive point? Even if the additional £1m payment is wrong [sorry if so, I read that somewhere and accepted it as fact] paying a £1m premium for a loanee for only 14 games suggests that he should be of a standard to play all or the bulk of those 14 games - either starting or coming on as a scary impact sub. While I accept the need to rotate, that is not this manager's want. Had he been of the standard he was hyped up to be, he would have been one of those who play every week. He isn't; and hasn't been. He has not been signed as one for the future [see the post I responded to] as he is only a loanee for less than half a season. Thus, comments like "give him a chance" are ones we can apply to Gayle and Joniesta; not Ince. Thus, people have a right to be disappointed. However, if we took him on loan on the basis that he would either be sensational from day one or we would be better placed to pitch for him on a permanent deal while in situ, then the deal doesn't have the appearance of a flop. The way the 8 games have panned out so far, he has not had the opportunity to be used by TP as an IMPACT SUB. The simplest thing to do as MKCPFC said, is leave it to the Maestro Pulis. He seems to know more than us lot. This^^^^^ The world was a mess but his hair was perfect!
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Hastings 07 Apr 14 3.35pm

Quote alaneagle1 at 07 Apr 2014 3.32pm

Quote silvertop at 07 Apr 2014 1.47pm

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Quote paperhat at 07 Apr 2014 12.43pm

Quote silvertop at 07 Apr 2014 12.03pm

This post has been merged from a topic called 'Tom Ince' by Hambo

Quote Mstrobez at 07 Apr 2014 11.45am

He's started 3 games, one of which he was extremely impressive, how can anyone say whether or not he is ready etc? You don't know?

Tom Ince could be huge and you cannot judge someone on the base of 3 games.

Give the guy a chance ffs!

may I ask, how do we know what we paid for Ince and what 'hefty' wage he's on?

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Qwijibo Bournemouth 14 Apr 14 11.33pm
Sky reporting that Pulis wants permanent signing: [Link] "Crystal Palace boss Tony Pulis has admitted he would like to sign Tom Ince on a permanent deal in the summer. Palace won the race to sign Ince on loan from Blackpool in January and he made a big impact on his debut, netting a goal in a 3-1 win over West Brom. The young winger has been forced to wait patiently for first-team appearances in recent weeks, but Pulis remains keen to secure his services if Palace stay in the Premier League. "He's one that we'll look at once things are done," said Pulis. "I'd love to sit down and get something done with him because I think he's a top player. "Tom has been absolutely fantastic. He will be a top Premier League player, without a shadow of a doubt. He's got all the attributes and everything else. "The unfortunate thing is that in the position Tom plays, Jason Puncheon has been outstanding and Yannick Bolasie's been outstanding." The Eagles boss believes the 22-year-old has benefitted from his time at Selhurst Park, despite spending a number of games on the sidelines. "His attitude in training has been fantastic, and the players have taken to him as well," said Pulis. "I think that's great credit to Tom. I think it's a part of his career that he will look back on and take a lot of stuff from. "It's not gone to plan in respect of him playing every game but his attitude has been fabulous."" Edited by Qwijibo (14 Apr 2014 11.35pm)
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Bournemouth 14 Apr 14 11.33pm

Sky reporting that Pulis wants permanent signing:

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"Crystal Palace boss Tony Pulis has admitted he would like to sign Tom Ince on a permanent deal in the summer.

Palace won the race to sign Ince on loan from Blackpool in January and he made a big impact on his debut, netting a goal in a 3-1 win over West Brom.

The young winger has been forced to wait patiently for first-team appearances in recent weeks, but Pulis remains keen to secure his services if Palace stay in the Premier League.

"He's one that we'll look at once things are done," said Pulis.

"I'd love to sit down and get something done with him because I think he's a top player.

"Tom has been absolutely fantastic. He will be a top Premier League player, without a shadow of a doubt. He's got all the attributes and everything else.

"The unfortunate thing is that in the position Tom plays, Jason Puncheon has been outstanding and Yannick Bolasie's been outstanding."

The Eagles boss believes the 22-year-old has benefitted from his time at Selhurst Park, despite spending a number of games on the sidelines.

"His attitude in training has been fantastic, and the players have taken to him as well," said Pulis.

"I think that's great credit to Tom. I think it's a part of his career that he will look back on and take a lot of stuff from.

"It's not gone to plan in respect of him playing every game but his attitude has been fabulous.""

Edited by Qwijibo (14 Apr 2014 11.35pm)

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dg1937 15 Apr 14 8.11am
I remember Ince himself saying that he'd found it a big step up physically and he did look a bit lightweight the times I have seen him. He needs time to adjust. if Pulis thinks he can be a top player then I'm not going to argue with him. You need competition in all positions, Puncheon and Bolassie won't stay fit and in form forever. It's about building the quality of the squad this Summer.
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I remember Ince himself saying that he'd found it a big step up physically and he did look a bit lightweight the times I have seen him. He needs time to adjust. if Pulis thinks he can be a top player then I'm not going to argue with him. You need competition in all positions, Puncheon and Bolassie won't stay fit and in form forever. It's about building the quality of the squad this Summer.

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martinb75 Tampere 15 Apr 14 8.28am
Quote Qwijibo at 14 Apr 2014 11.33pm Sky reporting that Pulis wants permanent signing: [Link] "Crystal Palace boss Tony Pulis has admitted he would like to sign Tom Ince on a permanent deal in the summer. Palace won the race to sign Ince on loan from Blackpool in January and he made a big impact on his debut, netting a goal in a 3-1 win over West Brom. The young winger has been forced to wait patiently for first-team appearances in recent weeks, but Pulis remains keen to secure his services if Palace stay in the Premier League. "He's one that we'll look at once things are done," said Pulis. "I'd love to sit down and get something done with him because I think he's a top player. "Tom has been absolutely fantastic. He will be a top Premier League player, without a shadow of a doubt. He's got all the attributes and everything else. "The unfortunate thing is that in the position Tom plays, Jason Puncheon has been outstanding and Yannick Bolasie's been outstanding." The Eagles boss believes the 22-year-old has benefitted from his time at Selhurst Park, despite spending a number of games on the sidelines. "His attitude in training has been fantastic, and the players have taken to him as well," said Pulis. "I think that's great credit to Tom. I think it's a part of his career that he will look back on and take a lot of stuff from. "It's not gone to plan in respect of him playing every game but his attitude has been fabulous."" Edited by Qwijibo (14 Apr 2014 11.35pm) Cannot see Zaha returning then.
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martinb75

Tampere 15 Apr 14 8.28am

Quote Qwijibo at 14 Apr 2014 11.33pm

Sky reporting that Pulis wants permanent signing:

[Link]

"Crystal Palace boss Tony Pulis has admitted he would like to sign Tom Ince on a permanent deal in the summer.

"It's not gone to plan in respect of him playing every game but his attitude has been fabulous.""

Edited by Qwijibo (14 Apr 2014 11.35pm)

Cannot see Zaha returning then.

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skatman 15 Apr 14 8.42am
Whys Pulis talking about giving Ince a contract but not Speroni?!
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15 Apr 14 8.42am

Whys Pulis talking about giving Ince a contract but not Speroni?!

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Y Ddraig Goch In The Crowd 15 Apr 14 8.51am
Quote dg1937 at 15 Apr 2014 8.11am I remember Ince himself saying that he'd found it a big step up physically and he did look a bit lightweight the times I have seen him. He needs time to adjust. if Pulis thinks he can be a top player then I'm not going to argue with him. You need competition in all positions, Puncheon and Bolassie won't stay fit and in form forever. It's about building the quality of the squad this Summer. If you look at Punch & Bolassie's form I would say they have stepped up a notch and been more consistant since Ince signed. That in itself is easily worth the money spent. Also if we did pay a £1million loan fee it is nothing considering Ince's wages will be a pittance (for the PL) the dignified don't even enter in the game
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Y Ddraig Goch

In The Crowd 15 Apr 14 8.51am

Quote dg1937 at 15 Apr 2014 8.11am

I remember Ince himself saying that he'd found it a big step up physically and he did look a bit lightweight the times I have seen him. He needs time to adjust. if Pulis thinks he can be a top player then I'm not going to argue with him. You need competition in all positions, Puncheon and Bolassie won't stay fit and in form forever. It's about building the quality of the squad this Summer.

If you look at Punch & Bolassie's form I would say they have stepped up a notch and been more consistant since Ince signed. That in itself is easily worth the money spent.

Also if we did pay a £1million loan fee it is nothing considering Ince's wages will be a pittance (for the PL)

the dignified don't even enter in the game

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slubglurge welling 15 Apr 14 9.35am
Quite surprising comment seeing the lack of game time hes had recently. Perhaps it signals a change of tactics for next season. This year has been all about staying up but next season TP may feel we can be a bit more expansive. His old man said on MOTD that he fully understands why he's not playing while the team are winning. Looks like a good attitude
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welling 15 Apr 14 9.35am

Quite surprising comment seeing the lack of game time hes had recently. Perhaps it signals a change of tactics for next season. This year has been all about staying up but next season TP may feel we can be a bit more expansive. His old man said on MOTD that he fully understands why he's not playing while the team are winning. Looks like a good attitude

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Qwijibo Bournemouth 15 Apr 14 9.43am
I think he's got something to offer and would be good value. Too many opinions are based on 8 games or whatever it is. Far too soon to be written off. The fact he's under-whelmed works in our favour as it's driven his value dow, thus making him a more likely venture. Would love Zaha too. Likewise, I think the criticism he's received is insanely short-sited. Neither of these two we're going to step up in a single season. Give them 18 months of consistent appearances, however, and potential will begin to flourish. Look at Puncheon! How many wanted rid a few months back?
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Bournemouth 15 Apr 14 9.43am

I think he's got something to offer and would be good value. Too many opinions are based on 8 games or whatever it is. Far too soon to be written off. The fact he's under-whelmed works in our favour as it's driven his value dow, thus making him a more likely venture.

Would love Zaha too. Likewise, I think the criticism he's received is insanely short-sited. Neither of these two we're going to step up in a single season. Give them 18 months of consistent appearances, however, and potential will begin to flourish. Look at Puncheon! How many wanted rid a few months back?

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miles18 Telford 15 Apr 14 10.26am
Quote skatman at 15 Apr 2014 8.42am Whys Pulis talking about giving Ince a contract but not Speroni?! It's not good is it.. .
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miles18

Telford 15 Apr 14 10.26am

Quote skatman at 15 Apr 2014 8.42am

Whys Pulis talking about giving Ince a contract but not Speroni?!

It's not good is it..

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Plane Bromley 15 Apr 14 10.51am
Quote skatman at 15 Apr 2014 8.42am Whys Pulis talking about giving Ince a contract but not Speroni?! 'Cos he wants to break up the love triangle involving you, Jules and Mrs Jules.
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Bromley 15 Apr 14 10.51am

Quote skatman at 15 Apr 2014 8.42am

Whys Pulis talking about giving Ince a contract but not Speroni?!

'Cos he wants to break up the love triangle involving you, Jules and Mrs Jules.

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