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 Kermit8  Hevon 02 Apr 14 6.16pm |
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the one question that still hasn't been asked is why did the police felt
The previous years the police filtered the crowds 100metres from the turnstiles and checked tickets because it was a known bottleneck. In 1989 they didn't. People who arrived at 2.30 were still waiting to get in at 2.55 and by then they had two thousand others behind them. Edited by Kermit8 (01 Apr 2014 9.36pm) Factually wrong? So there were NO drunk Liverpool fans pushing from the back and recently opened gates, trying to get in?
What's your point?
I'm well aware of what a bottleneck is and results of unmanaged actions, I'm also capable of posting without resorting to personal insults. My point was that whilst the OP was a little direct in his 'statement of fact', you completely deny that anyone was drunk as if it wasn't even possible. That simple action still happens to this very day, pissed up supporters turning up at the last minute, trying to 'speed up' the queues to get in. Edited by paperhat (02 Apr 2014 3.33pm)
3pm kick off on a Saturday? Of course alcohol on peoples breath was present like there would have been at every other ground that day. The 'drink' is incidental. I wasn't intending to insult btw. Just asking a very direct question because your initial post made me wonder?
The OP stated that in his opinion, p1ssed up scousers caused the problem, you then go on to say that his opinion is factually wrong, therefore factually, the p1ssed up fans were nothing to do with the cause. So, whilst you didnt specifically didnt mention alcohol, you quite clearly confirm that in your opinion it wasnt an issue. And yes you were clearly intending to insult, at least have the balls to admit that.
Mr Mojo actually stated "in my opinion there (sic) fans caused it themselves" - His opinion is wrong. As I said. One thing that does get on my tits is posters putting words into other posters musings to suit their own agenda and then getting all defensive when they are pulled up on it. Read the posts. Carefully. Then best reply keeping to the point. A good way I find. "You completely deny anyone was drunk" - What are you on about? It's just made-up, knee-jerk bollocks. If only you had bothered to put a question mark at the end - My answer would have been 'of course there were some. Didn't see any but logic dictates' Edited by Kermit8 (02 Apr 2014 6.43pm)
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TomThePalaceFanatic  02 Apr 14 6.33pm |
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Quote mrmojorising at 01 Apr 2014 9.25pm
the one question that still hasn't been asked is why did the police felt
The previous years the police filtered the crowds 100metres from the turnstiles and checked tickets because it was a known bottleneck. In 1989 they didn't. People who arrived at 2.30 were still waiting to get in at 2.55 and by then they had two thousand others behind them. Edited by Kermit8 (01 Apr 2014 9.36pm) Factually wrong? So there were NO drunk Liverpool fans pushing from the back and recently opened gates, trying to get in?
What's your point?
I'm well aware of what a bottleneck is and results of unmanaged actions, I'm also capable of posting without resorting to personal insults. My point was that whilst the OP was a little direct in his 'statement of fact', you completely deny that anyone was drunk as if it wasn't even possible. That simple action still happens to this very day, pissed up supporters turning up at the last minute, trying to 'speed up' the queues to get in. Edited by paperhat (02 Apr 2014 3.33pm)
3pm kick off on a Saturday? Of course alcohol on peoples breath was present like there would have been at every other ground that day. The 'drink' is incidental. I wasn't intending to insult btw. Just asking a very direct question because your initial post made me wonder?
The OP stated that in his opinion, p1ssed up scousers caused the problem, you then go on to say that his opinion is factually wrong, therefore factually, the p1ssed up fans were nothing to do with the cause. So, whilst you didnt specifically didnt mention alcohol, you quite clearly confirm that in your opinion it wasnt an issue. And yes you were clearly intending to insult, at least have the balls to admit that.
Mr Mojo actually stated "in my opinion there (sic) fans caused it themselves" - His opinion is wrong. As I said. One thing that does get on my tits is posters putting words into other posters musings to suit their own agenda and then getting all defensive when they are pulled up on it. Read the posts. Carefully. Then best reply keeping to the point. A good way I find. "You completely deny anyone was drunk" - What are you on about? It's just made-up, knee-jerk bollocks. Edited by Kermit8 (02 Apr 2014 6.27pm) But the fans did cause it themselves, at least partly, so how is he wrong?
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| Kermit8 Hevon 02 Apr 14 6.38pm |
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Quote TomThePalaceFanatic at 02 Apr 2014 6.33pm
Quote Kermit8 at 02 Apr 2014 6.16pm
Quote paperhat at 02 Apr 2014 5.35pm
Quote Kermit8 at 02 Apr 2014 4.32pm
Quote paperhat at 02 Apr 2014 3.32pm
Quote Kermit8 at 02 Apr 2014 12.46pm
Quote paperhat at 02 Apr 2014 11.24am
Quote Kermit8 at 01 Apr 2014 9.35pm
Quote mrmojorising at 01 Apr 2014 9.25pm
the one question that still hasn't been asked is why did the police felt
The previous years the police filtered the crowds 100metres from the turnstiles and checked tickets because it was a known bottleneck. In 1989 they didn't. People who arrived at 2.30 were still waiting to get in at 2.55 and by then they had two thousand others behind them. Edited by Kermit8 (01 Apr 2014 9.36pm) Factually wrong? So there were NO drunk Liverpool fans pushing from the back and recently opened gates, trying to get in?
What's your point?
I'm well aware of what a bottleneck is and results of unmanaged actions, I'm also capable of posting without resorting to personal insults. My point was that whilst the OP was a little direct in his 'statement of fact', you completely deny that anyone was drunk as if it wasn't even possible. That simple action still happens to this very day, pissed up supporters turning up at the last minute, trying to 'speed up' the queues to get in. Edited by paperhat (02 Apr 2014 3.33pm)
3pm kick off on a Saturday? Of course alcohol on peoples breath was present like there would have been at every other ground that day. The 'drink' is incidental. I wasn't intending to insult btw. Just asking a very direct question because your initial post made me wonder?
The OP stated that in his opinion, p1ssed up scousers caused the problem, you then go on to say that his opinion is factually wrong, therefore factually, the p1ssed up fans were nothing to do with the cause. So, whilst you didnt specifically didnt mention alcohol, you quite clearly confirm that in your opinion it wasnt an issue. And yes you were clearly intending to insult, at least have the balls to admit that.
Mr Mojo actually stated "in my opinion there (sic) fans caused it themselves" - His opinion is wrong. As I said. One thing that does get on my tits is posters putting words into other posters musings to suit their own agenda and then getting all defensive when they are pulled up on it. Read the posts. Carefully. Then best reply keeping to the point. A good way I find. "You completely deny anyone was drunk" - What are you on about? It's just made-up, knee-jerk bollocks. Edited by Kermit8 (02 Apr 2014 6.27pm) But the fans did cause it themselves, at least partly, so how is he wrong?
Don't know what they are complaining about really.
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| herefordeagle Hereford 02 Apr 14 6.58pm |
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In response to the question 'should we have a banner?' , in my humble opinion no we shouldn't , just observe the silence and spare a thought for the poor sods that lost their lives on that day and then cheer on our boys to another 3 points. The one thing that I am hoping will come of the enquiry is that we may be told that Margaret Thatcher hushed up some of the facts at the time thus supplying more evidence to myself that she was a criminally insane and evil wench (god rest her soul
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) | kingdowieonthewall Sussex, ex-Cronx. 02 Apr 14 7.06pm |
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All I hope, is we totally de-rail the scouse title hopes when we play 'em.
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| TUX redhill 02 Apr 14 7.19pm |
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Yep, true. They caused it by deciding to go to an FA Cup semi-final and not realising there was going to be a severe bottleneck outside the ground A bottle-neck outside of any arena is the norm and has no bearing whatsoever on things that happen 'inside' an arena. I sat in front of my TV that day to watch the match. What I saw was many hundreds/thousands of fans paying scant regard to their FELLOW supporters! I was a neutral viewer but couldn't believe what I was seeing! Either way, a tragic loss.
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BelfastEagle  03 Apr 14 8.43am |
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As long as we also have a banner demanding justice for the poor souls who died in the Heysel disaster I would contribute.
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| Superfly The sun always shines in Catford 03 Apr 14 8.59am |
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Quote TUX at 02 Apr 2014 7.19pm
Yep, true. They caused it by deciding to go to an FA Cup semi-final and not realising there was going to be a severe bottleneck outside the ground A bottle-neck outside of any arena is the norm and has no bearing whatsoever on things that happen 'inside' an arena. I sat in front of my TV that day to watch the match. What I saw was many hundreds/thousands of fans paying scant regard to their FELLOW supporters! I was a neutral viewer but couldn't believe what I was seeing! Either way, a tragic loss.
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| Plane Bromley 03 Apr 14 9.17am |
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There were many 'pissed up scousers' as someone called them, pushing from the back and the gates were opened. But it was the innocent people at the front, who had already got in who were crushed.
Edited by Plane (02 Apr 2014 1.57pm)
Liverpool's nasty fans were more fond of Uncle Stanley and nicking stuff. You want to believe the Liverpool fans are just as much to blame I am guessing even though the evidence says not? That smacks of social prejudice if so
My memory is just fine, I don't pop off to wiki for my info, I know what I've seen around the grounds I've been to, you can add Liverpool, Birmingham and Man U to the above list, you really are trying, as are the Liverpudlians, to rewrite history. You have this belief that because the old bill fvcked up, and yes they did, that none of the scallys pushing in for a free watch of the game aren't to blame, you're just deluded. What evidence might that be? Nice try to divert the argument with the 'social prejudice' remark. FYI, it's just the sweaties I hate Edited by Plane (03 Apr 2014 9.24am)
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 03 Apr 14 9.37am |
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Some people have obviously never heard of Stanley Park being nicknamed Stanley 'knife' Park then. In the '80s they started the football casual scene by being in Europe in about 1982. Soon followed by Spurs and then instantly copied by all firms (apart from some scruffy Northerners). Fashion stores were cleared of their shelves and hanger and tills were emptied. If you didn't go by coach back then you would have to get to Anfield or Goodison by yourself from Lime Street. Not only would you have to get through supporters of the team you were playing but also people not going to the match or supporters of the other club not going to their away game. Clubs have a mixture of different personalities and habits, to think that Liverpool have always been saints is naive in the extreme.
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| Plane Bromley 03 Apr 14 9.38am |
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Quote TUX at 02 Apr 2014 7.19pm
Yep, true. They caused it by deciding to go to an FA Cup semi-final and not realising there was going to be a severe bottleneck outside the ground A bottle-neck outside of any arena is the norm and has no bearing whatsoever on things that happen 'inside' an arena. I sat in front of my TV that day to watch the match. What I saw was many hundreds/thousands of fans paying scant regard to their FELLOW supporters! I was a neutral viewer but couldn't believe what I was seeing! Either way, a tragic loss.
I'll ignore the condescension in the first sentence as it wasn't aimed at me. I saw a documentary made within a year or so of the disaster and it showed Liverpool fans pushing at the gates to get in and climbing the fences around the gates to get in, the ob opened the gate to stop the people at the front getting crushed. They should have then taken proper steps to herd the 'free ticketers' to the side pens but anyone who's been to a match back then knows, the 'boys' always had to be behind the goal, all that is after the event, those who got in free are the culprits and their silence is deafening.
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 03 Apr 14 9.41am |
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And for those that don't know or don't want to know.... One year after Hillsbrough and during the 2nd half there were scousers being led round the pitch to spare seats by the tunnel near their supporters. These ticketless fans had been playing football in the park to the left of us stood in The Holte End for an hour after kick off. It wasn't just Liverpool who used to have this. All the bigger clubs involved in big semi-finals or cup finals had it. You used to be able to get into Wembley without paying. Slip the turnstyle fella a few quid or wait for a gate to have to be opened and all rush through.
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