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sydtheeagle England 22 Jan 14 11.57am | |
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To answer your questions: 1. Do you not think that IM in particular is involved in our txfr dealings? I'd like to think he's involved as that's his area of responsibility. However, the fact that our owners seem to handle media briefings on this subject rather than the executive in charge of it worries me. Maybe it doesn't worry you, but to me it's an early sign of a dysfunctional organisation. 2. Do you not think they are trying their best? Absolutely I do. That, however, does not mean they are doing the right things. It's very easy to put 101% into the wrong action, especially when you're running a company. See the first point in my earlier post, which you ignored. When you start doing other people's jobs outside of your own area of expertise, you can work very hard and care a lot, but still end up making the wrong choices. 3. Every year under CPFC 2010's stewardship our club improves, whether it be infrastructure, ability to generate revenue, permanent staff, playing staff. Agreed. And this proves completely my earlier point. In the areas of the club that our owners have proven expertise in (catering, infrastructure, marketing, etc.) they have moved us forwards leaps and bounds. They have done brilliantly. In the areas of the club where they have no expertise but insist on being heavily involved (like the transfer market), we have not performed well at all. This is what is frustrating TP. You could not have made my point for me more clearly. SHUT UP AND LET THE EXPERTS DO THEIR JOBS. Do you think TP tells Browett what wines to select for the club bars? 4. Financial prudence is everything im afraid, even if it means us dropping back down for a season as we continue to develop. Agreed. But prudence does not mean "take no risks". It means take calculated risks, and have a very good mechanism for judging which to take and which to walk away from.
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silvertop Portishead 22 Jan 14 12.01pm | |
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Perhaps they are taking the heat off TP and IM? The Board are, after all, the corporate face of the club. At any time there is a media feeding frenzy on premiership clubs, especially where blood is sensed [i.e. any club near the trap door, any club under-performing, any club!]. This builds up to insane levels during the transfer windows. SOMEBODY has to speak to them. Better they be bland, vague comments from the Board from time to time to satisfy the desparate need of hacks for copy. Otherwise, the Fourth Estate may have to resort to door-stepping TP/IM and/or the age old tactic of printing broad "assumptions" from tit-bits they have raked up. The Board may not be the correct people to adress the issues; but I for one think that TP should continue to invest his time in coaching and filtering potential signings while IM sets up any deals rather than both having to prepare for and attend endless press conferences. Also, I suspect the Board's answers to likely questions are filtered through TP/IM. Sensible given the enthusiasm of the press to identify supposed rifts.
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Plane Bromley 22 Jan 14 12.03pm | |
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It's no surprise to me that you spring to Ian's defence as you both share the same dislike for Steve Parish. You may see yours and Ian's fantasy posts as informative and enlightening but you admitted in another thread you find Parish vulgar, so I'm not really sure you will be able to keep an open mind on any matter where he is the subject. You speak of a democracy, surely in any democracy there has to be the contra view, I am the that view to you and Ian. I have no problem with our disagreeing, but you are not offering a contra view. At least in the posts to which I was referring, people were simply having a go at Ian personally and not responding to what he said. I am more than happy to debate all-comers..."you are wrong about Parish because...", but I have an issue with "Syd and Ian are t***s because they just don't like Parish." No, I don't, but my criticisms of his actions and the reasons for them have been very lucidly spelled out. I don't like Roman Abramovich, not even remotely, but I would not criticise the way he runs his football club. It is not necessary for me to like someone to respect them. You seem unable to grasp that. I can think someone is a complete t*** but still laud them for doing a good job. However, when they behave like a t*** and do a poor job... Where did you or Ian base any of your posts on fact, none is the answer, take a look at Ian's critique regarding their previous roles, that you wrote more cr@p about, you're saying that Long should be in control of insuring the club, I mean how fvcking condescending can you become, your musings are really a joke, don't you think that people can expand their skill set? So you've run a successful company for the last two years and that gives you the right to speak on everyone's behalf, well done, when you've done it as long as any of the directors have or me come to that, I'll take a little more notice of you.
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Plumpton eagle East Sussex 22 Jan 14 12.09pm | |
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I am with Syd on this. It seems that anyone that makes any comment in anyway critical of the new owners is pilloried as a traitor, conceited or thick by certain HOLers. This is a fans forum, we come on here for a bit of a chat between each other. I bet very few of us visit the official CPFC site as much as we come on here. Why? Because it is largely sugar coated propaganda. The diversity of opinion and occasional disagreements makes this site a great forum and all opinions (reasonably put) should be welcomed. My opinion is that we might just survive with the current squad. But if we have any injuries or suspensions in key areas we will be in big trouble and very quickly. We therefore need to buy/loan new players to have a realistic chance of survival in this league. Within the remit of sensible deals, the sooner this can be done the better. I do feel that some of the new owners like the sound of their own voice, and appearing in front of the cameras, a little too much. I sometimes feel that they are desperate to be liked by us and the media. For me, they should concentrate more on earning our respect and being more in line with the manager. This can be done by maintaining a dignified silence on occasion or issuing regular official club briefings. Whilst having some owners joining in on a fans forum is great on one level (why not HOL by the way?)it can be viewed as an inconsistent means of presenting a unified and professional image of CPFC. Palace fans will always be grateful that they stepped in and bought the club. But as previously hinted at, the new owners do sometimes come across as a wine merchant and an ad man trying hard to be accepted in the cut throat world of top level football.
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Kermit8 Hevon 22 Jan 14 12.15pm | |
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Quote Plumpton eagle at 22 Jan 2014 12.09pm
I am with Syd on this. It seems that anyone that makes any comment in anyway critical of the new owners is pilloried as a traitor, conceited or thick by certain HOLers. This is a fans forum, we come on here for a bit of a chat between each other. I bet very few of us visit the official CPFC site as much as we come on here. Why? Because it is largely sugar coated propaganda. The diversity of opinion and occasional disagreements makes this site a great forum and all opinions (reasonably put) should be welcomed. My opinion is that we might just survive with the current squad. But if we have any injuries or suspensions in key areas we will be in big trouble and very quickly. We therefore need to buy/loan new players to have a realistic chance of survival in this league. Within the remit of sensible deals, the sooner this can be done the better. I do feel that some of the new owners like the sound of their own voice, and appearing in front of the cameras, a little too much. I sometimes feel that they are desperate to be liked by us and the media. For me, they should concentrate more on earning our respect and being more in line with the manager. This can be done by maintaining a dignified silence on occasion or issuing regular official club briefings. Whilst having some owners joining in on a fans forum is great on one level (why not HOL by the way?)it can be viewed as an inconsistent means of presenting a unified and professional image of CPFC. Palace fans will always be grateful that they stepped in and bought the club. But as previously hinted at, the new owners do sometimes come across as a wine merchant and an ad man trying hard to be accepted in the cut throat world of top level football.
I was ever so slightly castigated this time last year for suggesting more than once that Holloway may not be the right fit for Palace and that the team were playing well below their ability. Some have blind faith and don't like that faith being questioned. Palace is more a religion than a football club they support it seems.
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Lombardos barber 22 Jan 14 12.21pm | |
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Quote Plumpton eagle at 22 Jan 2014 12.09pm
I am with Syd on this. It seems that anyone that makes any comment in anyway critical of the new owners is pilloried as a traitor, conceited or thick by certain HOLers. This is a fans forum, we come on here for a bit of a chat between each other. I bet very few of us visit the official CPFC site as much as we come on here. Why? Because it is largely sugar coated propaganda. The diversity of opinion and occasional disagreements makes this site a great forum and all opinions (reasonably put) should be welcomed. My opinion is that we might just survive with the current squad. But if we have any injuries or suspensions in key areas we will be in big trouble and very quickly. We therefore need to buy/loan new players to have a realistic chance of survival in this league. Within the remit of sensible deals, the sooner this can be done the better. I do feel that some of the new owners like the sound of their own voice, and appearing in front of the cameras, a little too much. I sometimes feel that they are desperate to be liked by us and the media. For me, they should concentrate more on earning our respect and being more in line with the manager. This can be done by maintaining a dignified silence on occasion or issuing regular official club briefings. Whilst having some owners joining in on a fans forum is great on one level (why not HOL by the way?)it can be viewed as an inconsistent means of presenting a unified and professional image of CPFC. Palace fans will always be grateful that they stepped in and bought the club. But as previously hinted at, the new owners do sometimes come across as a wine merchant and an ad man trying hard to be accepted in the cut throat world of top level football.
Come on mate, surely this is the craziest thing ive read on here.... what more do they have to do to earn our respect!!! Bonkers. As to being in line with the manager, we did that all the way with the mentalist Holloway (who yes, i will always appreciate for getting us up). SP seems to take the rap for the summers txfr dealings but i firmly believe that he never signed a player IH didnt want. As for TP, as i understand it he has given his requirements to IM and the board but it is up to them to conduct business and thats exactly the way it should be. Managers come and go and if CPFC 2010 have a long term vision for the club, which i suspect they do, then that must take precedence. If the players TP wants would command wages or txf fees that sit outside of or present and more importantly, future structures then they must hold out for better value options elsewhere. SP being in the media is, on balance, a very positive thing. We have a unique transparency at the club which should be applauded. He always comes accross as crdible, highly atute and with a decent understanding as how asmall-medium sized club should be run.
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The Perm of Doris SE19 in spirit 22 Jan 14 12.26pm | |
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Quote radsyrendot at 21 Jan 2014 4.55pm
started to be a farce again
Christ on a bike. They're trying to get players in at the right prices for the club so we don't screw up financially again. What in any small way is farcical about that? There is no evidence whatsoever that TP is getting the hump. He obviously would have discussed transfer tactics in this window when he signed on the dotted line and he's said as much. But feel free to stir it up and create a nonsense scenario No maybe not yet, but he has said that he would of expected signings in by now. If and its only if right now but if we dont get anyone in i can see trouble. I just dont think he will be a happy bunny
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beagle pom tiddly om pom pom 22 Jan 14 12.28pm | |
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Quote sydtheeagle at 22 Jan 2014 11.57am
To answer your questions: 1. Do you not think that IM in particular is involved in our txfr dealings? I'd like to think he's involved as that's his area of responsibility. However, the fact that our owners seem to handle media briefings on this subject rather than the executive in charge of it worries me. Maybe it doesn't worry you, but to me it's an early sign of a dysfunctional organisation. 2. Do you not think they are trying their best? Absolutely I do. That, however, does not mean they are doing the right things. It's very easy to put 101% into the wrong action, especially when you're running a company. See the first point in my earlier post, which you ignored. When you start doing other people's jobs outside of your own area of expertise, you can work very hard and care a lot, but still end up making the wrong choices. 3. Every year under CPFC 2010's stewardship our club improves, whether it be infrastructure, ability to generate revenue, permanent staff, playing staff. Agreed. And this proves completely my earlier point. In the areas of the club that our owners have proven expertise in (catering, infrastructure, marketing, etc.) they have moved us forwards leaps and bounds. They have done brilliantly. In the areas of the club where they have no expertise but insist on being heavily involved (like the transfer market), we have not performed well at all. This is what is frustrating TP. You could not have made my point for me more clearly. SHUT UP AND LET THE EXPERTS DO THEIR JOBS. Do you think TP tells Browett what wines to select for the club bars? 4. Financial prudence is everything im afraid, even if it means us dropping back down for a season as we continue to develop. Agreed. But prudence does not mean "take no risks". It means take calculated risks, and have a very good mechanism for judging which to take and which to walk away from. You make a good argument there Syd. Edited by beagle (22 Jan 2014 12.29pm)
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victor43 St. Albans 22 Jan 14 12.32pm | |
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Quote sydtheeagle at 22 Jan 2014 11.57am
To answer your questions: 1. Do you not think that IM in particular is involved in our txfr dealings? I'd like to think he's involved as that's his area of responsibility. However, the fact that our owners seem to handle media briefings on this subject rather than the executive in charge of it worries me. Maybe it doesn't worry you, but to me it's an early sign of a dysfunctional organisation. 2. Do you not think they are trying their best? Absolutely I do. That, however, does not mean they are doing the right things. It's very easy to put 101% into the wrong action, especially when you're running a company. See the first point in my earlier post, which you ignored. When you start doing other people's jobs outside of your own area of expertise, you can work very hard and care a lot, but still end up making the wrong choices. 3. Every year under CPFC 2010's stewardship our club improves, whether it be infrastructure, ability to generate revenue, permanent staff, playing staff. Agreed. And this proves completely my earlier point. In the areas of the club that our owners have proven expertise in (catering, infrastructure, marketing, etc.) they have moved us forwards leaps and bounds. They have done brilliantly. In the areas of the club where they have no expertise but insist on being heavily involved (like the transfer market), we have not performed well at all. This is what is frustrating TP. You could not have made my point for me more clearly. SHUT UP AND LET THE EXPERTS DO THEIR JOBS. Do you think TP tells Browett what wines to select for the club bars? 4. Financial prudence is everything im afraid, even if it means us dropping back down for a season as we continue to develop. Agreed. But prudence does not mean "take no risks". It means take calculated risks, and have a very good mechanism for judging which to take and which to walk away from.
You have no idea if this is frustrating TP, he just said he 'hoped' there would have been some transfers done. He may be frustrated with agents, other people getting involved, gazumped by other clubs, or frustrated that the owners don't want to p*ss away £6m on Crouch. Face it, you have no idea, you are just guessing. I am all for people having opinions and questioning the owners of the club, but when it's based off absolutely no facts, just 'what you feel is going on', I find it irritating. And that assertion that SP should only be involved in the Marketing side of Crystal Palace is hilarious. Makes no sense. I agree that if they are having too much influence in terms of transfers that would be a bad thing, but there is no evidence for that, and the final sign off for buying a player will have to come from the chairmen.
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Plumpton eagle East Sussex 22 Jan 14 12.49pm | |
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Lombardos Barber, respect has to be earned, it cannot just be bought. Buying the club at a hugely knock down price is one thing. Running it successfully and professionally thereafter is another. How many mangers under the new owners? Burley That's a lot in a short time. How many have worked? They were all appointments by the current ownership. I read that we have utilised the biggest squad of any team in Europe over the last couple of years. That makes me query our player recruitment policies and practices. These are the responsibility of the people that run the club. The last transfer window turned into a last day farce. Players signed that did not make the squad. Players that did make the squad that have hardly played. Ultimately, that is the responsibility of ownership. You say that we have a unique transparency at this club. Tell me exactly why Freedman left then? What were the terms under which Holloway left? Unique transparency? You can only guess like the rest of us. I suggest that there is work for the owners to do to gain respect for their ability to run the club professionally and efficiently. You think that is the craziest thing that you have ever read on here and that I am bonkers. It takes all sorts to make a forum!
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cornwalls palace Torpoint 22 Jan 14 12.52pm | |
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...if we are to be sadly relegated, we are on the surest footing for instant promotion.
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turbohorsebox Coulsdon 22 Jan 14 12.59pm | |
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Quote Seth at 21 Jan 2014 4.36pm
I have total confidence in Iain and Steve getting in the right players at the right prices." I find that quote very worrying and I would imagine that Tony Pulis isn't too enamoured with it either. If "Iain and Steve" are running the transfer show shouldn't Tony Pulis's title be coach and not manager No? Moody is tasked to get the players that Pulis wants. Moody then has to get Parish to write the cheques. All Pulis needs to do is his job which is manage the team he has. He seems to be doing that fine so lets hope the two in charge of the ins/outs can agree a couple of deals. If that is the case I wonder why SB didn't say "I have total confidence in Iain and Steve getting in the players that Tony wants at the right prices."
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