Braunie:

And to respond...

1. if those people have (lets say) £70m to buy the club then i suppose they can run the club as they like in a better way than cpfc2010...as it stands 2010 own the club, and can do as they wish.

Agreed. But it doesn't mean we shouldn't question them. (By the way, while I respect what CPFC2010 have done, I really don't warm to Parrish at all. Not that it's relevant, just being open. Of the four, he's the one I find the least appealing, persuasive, and articulate. I've never quite understood -- other than Parrish seems to have the biggest ego -- why the others would let him represent them the way he does.)

2...of your you are correct there is a halfway house between loftus road and selhurst park...its probably somehwere around the fulham/sunderland mark, which isnt proving that successful and they probably pay somewhere around £40m+ per annum in wages... more than double what we do.

Yes, I think you have a very good point there. Can't argue with that at all. Interestingly, the most viable and sustainable halfway house model was probably the one created by Tony Pulis at Stoke. With that in mind, isn't it an argument for supporting the pursuit of what he wants?

3. but are we "moral custodians"? we are simply customers of a buisness...if you go to the cinema and watch oceans 11/12/13 your a customer but you dont and wont have any imput into how oceans 14 pans out do you?

I see your point, but aren't we always saying "football isn't film (or whatever)"? I can take this one either way...I can see the arguments that owners own the club and what fans want is irrelevant but I can also see the counter-argument that fans are the true owners of the club and the actual owners are only holding it for them. TBH, I don't have an issue with either perspective but I do think there needs to be consistency. The same person who says "Allam doesn't have a right to ignore Hull supporters and change the clubs name" cannot then turn round say "we have to be grateful to CPFC2010 and never criticise anything they do." And I think there are people on here (not you, but some people) who try to have it both ways. That annoys me.

With regard to your last point: "we would all like the buisiness to spend £20m on the best talent around but id rather we were sensible", I think where we may differ is that I don't being sensible and spending money are mutually exclusive. "Sensible" to me is protecting the value of your investment without taking extreme risks. That means spending more money than may have, but less than would bankrupt you. There is a medium; if we disagree about anything it's probably where that line is.

Good debate, by the way.

Edited by sydtheeagle (18 Jan 2014 10.20am)

Sydenham by birth. Selhurst by the Grace of God.

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First Paragraph - That's the kind of people you want in charge - Those who see it as a sustainable asset. Worse case scenario now, we could always sell the ground and move elsewhere.

Second Paragraph - Yes, but they won't see that profit until this season is over, and they've been bank rolling the club now for three seasons. Most likely the result of this season is a return to the championship for several or more seasons. CPFC will be making losses again following any relegation

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Ian J, you might want to wind your neck in a bit.

For a start Lloyds have legally made sure that if Selhurst is ever sold for property development then they receive payment.

As we're a loss making club in the Championship of £5mil per season, there is no saying that those losses will be covered by player sales. Who from the acadmey after Zaha & Williams is obviously that good he's worth £5mil? And you need one every season. For all we and they knew, we could've been promoted by 2020. As most use the '5 year plan' cliche, they'd have blown £25mil with probably £15mil of players sold before buying in.

There's no saying we would ever be more than 14th place with 14th revenue AND 14th in wages after the £5mil annual loan. That's where hiring the manager comes in, but that can be a complete f#ck up in a league of 24. And if you're down there doing fack all, guess what, the offers for your players are lower and player and agent pressure to let them leave rises.

2010 took on a risk with buying Palace, just as with any business. Fack me, if it wasn't risky, there'd have been a queue from the littered car park and cr&ppy facade all the way to Gresham Street, EC1. Bare in mind one of the owners is very silent and it's rumoured he wants out. He'll probably want out more again if we get relegated but leaving now when anything remotely negative is treated like famine.

However, like with risk, there's reward. I said if we were 6 points off 17th in January then it wouldn't be worth it, but we're almost joint 18th. What 2010 need to do is remember that phase 1 of project TP has been achieved. What was the point of achieving stage 1 if we don't apply stage 2? I'm not talking about stretching ourselves with £20mil but there is middle ground. Buy a saleable asset player, try and buy Puncheon permanently if that's what's needed to free up a loan space and keep some of that conservatism and loan in a proven finisher.

I reckon SP is waiting for the Stoke result to make a bold move, possibly the Hull result to make another. He needs to, we've had the rub of the green with Delaney, KG amd then KP & Dobbie once too often. It won't keep happening.

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We're getting further and further away from my original point which was nothing to do with CPFC2010's motives but the fact that Steve Parish is unnecessarily pessimistic in all of his public pronouncements and I wish that he was a little less fond of the limelight

I don't think you need to read too far between the lines :-)

You're right; Parrish is vulgar (in the actual sense of the word) though call it flash or whatever you want to and, yes, flash is neither my style nor one that I respect in others. I do realise there is more than one style and also that people have every right to adopt the style they want but I don't personally warm to, or respect, those that I consider tasteless. But I underline that is just my view.

Jealousy, no. I have a wonderful life and I really, honestly wouldn't change anything I have now for anything Parrish has. You can believe me or not, but that is the case. He really just turns me off; sorry, but it's that simple. I find nothing sympathetic or attractive about him at all. I respect his obvious achievements, but that's about it.

Sydenham by birth. Selhurst by the Grace of God.