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Penge Eagle Flag Beckenham 17 May 13 10.47am Send a Private Message to Penge Eagle Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Penge Eagle as a friend

Quote nickgusset at 16 May 2013 5.23pm

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This is just embarrassing from Gusset! Your cut and pastes are getting worse.

Oh and what is the solution to austerity then? Spend and borrow even more money we dont have? I see the socialist Hollande doing well with France's economy...


Get your head out of the sand. Austerity isn't working.

What is your solution?

A hypothetical idea-sorry if it is a bit simplistic...

Currently the rate of interest for the government to borrow on a 15 year loan is 2.43%. Therefore, it would cost the government £24.3 million a year in repayments if it borrowed £1bn.

In the north west, new homes for social housing cost about £120,000 to build. With £1bn you could build 8,330 houses.

If the rent for each house was set at about £5,500 a year (affordable) then the total income would be £45.8m per year, a surplus of £21.5m on the repayments. Over 15 years, this would amount to a surplus of around £322m.

Of course you have to take inflation into account, say 2% a year - the £1bn would devalue by 2% a year meaning after 15 years the original loan of £1bn would actually be worth about 30% less than it is today. So we would repay the equivalent of about £666m.

Of course people are needed to build the houses, this will take people off of benefits, If the average amount of benefits is £100 a week (jsa and housing benefit) it amounts to £5200 a year. If the same person were to earn an average wage of £22k a year building the houses, then they would pay around £3500 Tax and NI a year. So the public purse will make a gain of about £8700 a year from that person who is not receiving benefit and paying taxes.

Multiply this by the number of people taken off benefits to build the houses (say 500 for arguments sake) and you now have £4.35m a year into the public purse. Of course with more money, these people will buy more goods and services which means more tax paid.

Additionally, you would have companies supplying the goods and contracts to build the houses, their profits would increase with additional corporation tax to pay.

So not only do we get people off of benefits and into work, we save on benefits and generate more tax but we also go some way to solving the housing crisis, especially if this model is repeated around the country.


I like this, it shows you are coming up with solutions here.

Flaws for me are... The key is how do you persuade somebody to come off welfare to build the houses if their income from benefits is enough for them to sit on the sofa instead of lumbering bricks about? Therefore, you would have to agree with the reforming of benefits (ie cutting it to those who are fit to work) in order to incentivise them to do it. I'd stay on my sofa! What if you can't persuade these guys to work, then your whole idea is screwed.

The construction of houses IS a good way of getting the economy moving. Currently the government are right to adopt a few schemes that helps people fund deposits which ensures new builds are actually completed and they can build more. The trickle down effect of new construction is very, very good for the economy. This way, the govt only has to fund 20% of mortgage deposits, while your scheme has them funding 100% of it which means far less houses being built. So this is one scheme that would work for Osbourne if done effectively.

PS This govt money to build the homes has been largely made up from 'evil' corporations.

 

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johnfirewall Flag 17 May 13 11.05am Send a Private Message to johnfirewall Add johnfirewall as a friend

Lend to someone paying 0 tax with a high change of default or bail out an industry employing hundreds of thousands in the 40% bracket...

 

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chris123 Flag hove actually 17 May 13 4.35pm Send a Private Message to chris123 Add chris123 as a friend

Quote nickgusset at 16 May 2013 5.33pm

Instead of bailing out banks, the government could bail out those in debt. The banks would get money from repaid loans and many people would have a bit of disposable income again which they would spend thus getting the economy going again.


Just to point out that with todays share price at just under 63p, we are now in profit on our Lloyds bailout!! 61.2p is the breakeven point.

 

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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 17 May 13 4.57pm

Quote chris123 at 17 May 2013 4.35pm

Quote nickgusset at 16 May 2013 5.33pm

Instead of bailing out banks, the government could bail out those in debt. The banks would get money from repaid loans and many people would have a bit of disposable income again which they would spend thus getting the economy going again.


Just to point out that with todays share price at just under 63p, we are now in profit on our Lloyds bailout!! 61.2p is the breakeven point.


Dave's cashing in on them soon. Bet we get a lot less back than we paid out.

 

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chris123 Flag hove actually 17 May 13 5.00pm Send a Private Message to chris123 Add chris123 as a friend

Quote nickgusset at 17 May 2013 4.57pm

Quote chris123 at 17 May 2013 4.35pm

Quote nickgusset at 16 May 2013 5.33pm

Instead of bailing out banks, the government could bail out those in debt. The banks would get money from repaid loans and many people would have a bit of disposable income again which they would spend thus getting the economy going again.


Just to point out that with todays share price at just under 63p, we are now in profit on our Lloyds bailout!! 61.2p is the breakeven point.


Dave's cashing in on them soon. Bet we get a lot less back than we paid out.


Only if we sell at below 61.2p.

 

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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 17 May 13 5.05pm

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Quote nickgusset at 17 May 2013 4.57pm

Quote chris123 at 17 May 2013 4.35pm

Quote nickgusset at 16 May 2013 5.33pm

Instead of bailing out banks, the government could bail out those in debt. The banks would get money from repaid loans and many people would have a bit of disposable income again which they would spend thus getting the economy going again.


Just to point out that with todays share price at just under 63p, we are now in profit on our Lloyds bailout!! 61.2p is the breakeven point.


Dave's cashing in on them soon. Bet we get a lot less back than we paid out.


Only if we sell at below 61.2p.

Only time can tell us...

 

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Penge Eagle Flag Beckenham 20 May 13 9.11pm Send a Private Message to Penge Eagle Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Penge Eagle as a friend

Any response to my reply to your original post Nick? Like I say, it's easy to slam the Tories for the cuts but a bit more difficult to have a feasible solution.

 

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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 20 May 13 9.18pm

Quote Penge Eagle at 20 May 2013 9.11pm

Any response to my reply to your original post Nick? Like I say, it's easy to slam the Tories for the cuts but a bit more difficult to have a feasible solution.


What asking for solutions- you quite liked my housebuilding one.


Why is all the talk of cuts and austerity when it should be about jobs and growth?

Read [Link]

 

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Penge Eagle Flag Beckenham 20 May 13 9.25pm Send a Private Message to Penge Eagle Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Penge Eagle as a friend

Quote nickgusset at 20 May 2013 9.18pm

Quote Penge Eagle at 20 May 2013 9.11pm

Any response to my reply to your original post Nick? Like I say, it's easy to slam the Tories for the cuts but a bit more difficult to have a feasible solution.


What asking for solutions- you quite liked my housebuilding one.


Why is all the talk of cuts and austerity when it should be about jobs and growth?

Read [Link]

But I don't think your solution or workable at all. Just wondering if you had feedback to my response maybe countering it.

 

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chris123 Flag hove actually 20 May 13 9.31pm Send a Private Message to chris123 Add chris123 as a friend

Quote nickgusset at 20 May 2013 9.18pm

Quote Penge Eagle at 20 May 2013 9.11pm

Any response to my reply to your original post Nick? Like I say, it's easy to slam the Tories for the cuts but a bit more difficult to have a feasible solution.


What asking for solutions- you quite liked my housebuilding one.


Why is all the talk of cuts and austerity when it should be about jobs and growth?

Read [Link]


FTSE 100 closed at a 12 year high.

 

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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 20 May 13 9.44pm

Quote chris123 at 20 May 2013 9.31pm

Quote nickgusset at 20 May 2013 9.18pm

Quote Penge Eagle at 20 May 2013 9.11pm

Any response to my reply to your original post Nick? Like I say, it's easy to slam the Tories for the cuts but a bit more difficult to have a feasible solution.


What asking for solutions- you quite liked my housebuilding one.


Why is all the talk of cuts and austerity when it should be about jobs and growth?

Read [Link]


FTSE 100 closed at a 12 year high.

And how does that benefit you and me?

 

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Jimenez Flag SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 20 May 13 9.49pm Send a Private Message to Jimenez Add Jimenez as a friend

Quote nickgusset at 20 May 2013 9.44pm

Quote chris123 at 20 May 2013 9.31pm

Quote nickgusset at 20 May 2013 9.18pm

Quote Penge Eagle at 20 May 2013 9.11pm

Any response to my reply to your original post Nick? Like I say, it's easy to slam the Tories for the cuts but a bit more difficult to have a feasible solution.


What asking for solutions- you quite liked my housebuilding one.


Why is all the talk of cuts and austerity when it should be about jobs and growth?

Read [Link]


FTSE 100 closed at a 12 year high.

And how does that benefit you and me?


It normally means that your ISA can be linked to it...or any other Pension scheme

 


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