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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 01 Apr 17 10.21am

Originally posted by Hoof Hearted

Kin ell....

I missed all that "Friday Froth" from Kermit & Gusset!

Seems like Wee Jimmy Krankie and Spain's blatant opportunism has rallied the comrades into believing that Brexit is coming off the rails.

Good to see that our lads quickly quelled their little rebellion!

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Hoof Hearted 01 Apr 17 10.22am

Originally posted by legaleagle

OK,we get it Stirling..you don't like people of a differing ethnicity to you living here...

But,you forget one thing.....the main politician responsible for immigration to the UK from Eastern Europe is....that well known left winger and Labour politician Margaret Thatcher,the primary advocate of EU expansion eastwards in the 1990's...

So Blair's refusal to veto Eastern European immigration wasn't to blame at all then?

This article doesn't blame Thatcher Legal...

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Tony Blair simply failed to comprehend the significance of new EU rules which dramatically expanded the number of people who could settle in the UK, his ex-advisor claimed.

 

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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 01 Apr 17 10.41am Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by nickgusset

I was referring to your somewhat isolationist solution to our woes.

What about cultural dilution, does it scare you?

Well it would be nice to think that all culture could be somehow homogenised in such a way as to make it agreeable to all and yet sufficiently personal. Sadly, if such a thing were possible, it would be a very long and painful journey to such an ideal.
The truth is that culture is a lot about self interest and division because it is made that way. IN order for that to change , humans would have to change and you and I know that isn't going to happen any day soon, probably ever.
I happen to believe that Western culture is the most desirable and no, I don't want it watered down with others. Some other cultures do have their merits but sadly many of those we have 'invited' here have too many negatives.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (01 Apr 2017 10.41am)

 

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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 01 Apr 17 11.10am

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Well it would be nice to think that all culture could be somehow homogenised in such a way as to make it agreeable to all and yet sufficiently personal. Sadly, if such a thing were possible, it would be a very long and painful journey to such an ideal.
The truth is that culture is a lot about self interest and division because it is made that way. IN order for that to change , humans would have to change and you and I know that isn't going to happen any day soon, probably ever.
I happen to believe that Western culture is the most desirable and no, I don't want it watered down with others. Some other cultures do have their merits but sadly many of those we have 'invited' here have too many negatives.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (01 Apr 2017 10.41am)

I see. That is unsurprising considering you've alluded to the fact that if the world is in trouble, we should just isolate and only worry about ourselves.

 

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hedgehog50 Flag Croydon 01 Apr 17 11.12am

Originally posted by nickgusset

I see. That is unsurprising considering you've alluded to the fact that if the world is in trouble, we should just isolate and only worry about ourselves.

Who else is going to worry about us?

 


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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 01 Apr 17 11.13am Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by nickgusset

I see. That is unsurprising considering you've alluded to the fact that if the world is in trouble, we should just isolate and only worry about ourselves.

Everyone worries about themselves. Don't you?

 

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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 01 Apr 17 11.14am

Originally posted by Hoof Hearted

So Blair's refusal to veto Eastern European immigration wasn't to blame at all then?

This article doesn't blame Thatcher Legal...

[Link]

Tony Blair simply failed to comprehend the significance of new EU rules which dramatically expanded the number of people who could settle in the UK, his ex-advisor claimed.

Aaaah the Express. Fair play to them for mentioning the 20billion that immigration added to the treasury between 2001-2011

 

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matt_himself Flag Matataland 01 Apr 17 11.28am Send a Private Message to matt_himself Add matt_himself as a friend

Originally posted by Kermit8

If you think mentioning the status of Gibraltar makes me 'petty', the lies about the NHS 'petty', the fact that LLoyds is opening an outlet in Brussels affecting scores of jobs, directly because of Article 50 being invoked, 'petty' and all the other things to come that, no doubt, you will think of being 'petty' because I dare mention them and upset poor little you then you need get your big, fat, arrogant head out of your arse and look up see what is going on and try and be rational about it. You get upset way too easily and your name-calling just tells me you are getting the wobbles.

And when you are unplugging your butt please also take your fingers out of your ears and stop singing 'la,la,la,la - don't want to hear any negative stuff' - Poor love

"I hope we don't fail" - you say? (a few posts back)

Well, it wasn't that long ago that you were writing 2,000 word essays on here on how it was going to be impossible to fail.

What's changed your tune?

You're the toxic one with your fantasist, utopian no-EU ideology and do you know what's really laughable? You just have not an ounce of self-awareness to know it.

I do think your obsession with right-wing blogs and newspapers has somewhat brainwashed you tbh.

Anyway, thanks for the coming Hard Brexit. The support of.

Edited by Kermit8 (31 Mar 2017 8.08pm)

If you knew how Lloyds operates, you would know this isn't a big deal and is no different from its representative offices in China, India and other countries.

 


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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 01 Apr 17 11.33am

Still nothing from Brexiters about tariffs on services. Do we know what the situation is.

 

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hedgehog50 Flag Croydon 01 Apr 17 11.36am

Originally posted by nickgusset

Aaaah the Express. Fair play to them for mentioning the 20billion that immigration added to the treasury between 2001-2011

Most studies find the impact of immigration in general is relatively small, costing or contributing less than 1% of the UK economy.

Also, Migration Watch, reports that the financial cost of all immigrants taken together amount to between £4 and £17 billion a year.T

A focus on recent EU migration reveals a significant difference as between the EU14 (older EU countries) and East European migrants. Migrants from the EU 14 benefit the Treasury by between £1.5 and £3 billion a year. However, East European migration costs between £100 million and £1.5 billion. These are not huge sums compared to annual public expenditure of about £700 billion a year.

The figures are taken from work done by the OECD, CReAM and Migration Watch UK.

 


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Stirlingsays Flag 01 Apr 17 12.04pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by nickgusset

Aaaah the Express. Fair play to them for mentioning the 20billion that immigration added to the treasury between 2001-2011

A lot of them send money back home. If their jobs were being done by British workers there would be a lot more money going back into the economy.

So, it's good that immigrants pay tax for the jobs we allow them to take....sometimes unfairly....but a lot of them aren't as beneficial to the economy as a British worker would be.

Edited by Stirlingsays (01 Apr 2017 12.37pm)

 


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legaleagle Flag 01 Apr 17 12.34pm

Originally posted by Hoof Hearted

So Blair's refusal to veto Eastern European immigration wasn't to blame at all then?

This article doesn't blame Thatcher Legal...

[Link]

Tony Blair simply failed to comprehend the significance of new EU rules which dramatically expanded the number of people who could settle in the UK, his ex-advisor claimed.

Well,Hoof...unlike you I don't see EU migration as something to which "blame" is to be attached..its a useful "alien other" thing for those of a certain disposition to blame for their economic and social woes...

But,the point I was making was that without Thatcher there would be no Eastern European EU immigration at all at any point-full stop, because they would not have been in the EU....

 

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