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Stirlingsays 14 Mar 24 4.08pm
Originally posted by JRW2 Yes, a bit late. But if it happened, who would you support? I will always regret that David Davis lost out to Cameron all those years ago: brought up on a council estate, friendly manner, just slightly right of centre. About the same age as Trump, so I'd still have him. But otherwise for me it would have to be Jeremy Hunt or the lovely Penny. Agreed, Davis as leader would probably mean that perhaps we wouldn't have to experience this 'woke' Tory era to this extent. Dude, I can't see who would make a difference at this stage. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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14 Mar 24 4.08pm

Originally posted by JRW2

Yes, a bit late. But if it happened, who would you support? I will always regret that David Davis lost out to Cameron all those years ago: brought up on a council estate, friendly manner, just slightly right of centre. About the same age as Trump, so I'd still have him.

But otherwise for me it would have to be Jeremy Hunt or the lovely Penny.

Agreed, Davis as leader would probably mean that perhaps we wouldn't have to experience this 'woke' Tory era to this extent.

Dude, I can't see who would make a difference at this stage.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Hrolf The Ganger 14 Mar 24 4.34pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Agreed, Davis as leader would probably mean that perhaps we wouldn't have to experience this 'woke' Tory era to this extent. Dude, I can't see who would make a difference at this stage. It would be a Sam Allardyce moment for sure, but when you are at 18% in the polls, the only consideration should be how badly you will lose. Trouble is that only a right of centre candidate could drag it back a bit but Tory central is ruled by moderates.
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Agreed, Davis as leader would probably mean that perhaps we wouldn't have to experience this 'woke' Tory era to this extent.

Dude, I can't see who would make a difference at this stage.

It would be a Sam Allardyce moment for sure, but when you are at 18% in the polls, the only consideration should be how badly you will lose.
Trouble is that only a right of centre candidate could drag it back a bit but Tory central is ruled by moderates.

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Matov 14 Mar 24 4.42pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger It would be a Sam Allardyce moment for sure, but when you are at 18% in the polls, the only consideration should be how badly you will lose. Trouble is that only a right of centre candidate could drag it back a bit but Tory central is ruled by moderates. Tory Central, like Labour Central, is controlled by the same people. The Tories being at 18% is 100% deliberate. Entire situation is engineered. Labour need a MASSIVE majority to pull the stunts they intend to do in the next Parliament. The Tory wipe out has to be this extreme hence quite simply zero meaningful Governance since forever. "The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.
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14 Mar 24 4.42pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Tory Central, like Labour Central, is controlled by the same people.

The Tories being at 18% is 100% deliberate. Entire situation is engineered. Labour need a MASSIVE majority to pull the stunts they intend to do in the next Parliament. The Tory wipe out has to be this extreme hence quite simply zero meaningful Governance since forever.

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

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Stirlingsays 14 Mar 24 4.51pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger It would be a Sam Allardyce moment for sure, but when you are at 18% in the polls, the only consideration should be how badly you will lose. Trouble is that only a right of centre candidate could drag it back a bit but Tory central is ruled by moderates. Yep, until they reject the Cameron lists and filters and Tory groups start electing actual conservatives and not social liberals. Gove actually stood up and talked about defending social liberalism as if that's the job of conservativism when it has its own social philosophy....which his party has betrayed along with its base. Edited by Stirlingsays (14 Mar 2024 7.31pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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14 Mar 24 4.51pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Yep, until they reject the Cameron lists and filters and Tory groups start electing actual conservatives and not social liberals.

Gove actually stood up and talked about defending social liberalism as if that's the job of conservativism when it has its own social philosophy....which his party has betrayed along with its base.

Edited by Stirlingsays (14 Mar 2024 7.31pm)

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Matov 14 Mar 24 4.58pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Gove actually stood up and talked about defending social liberalism as if that's the job of conservativism when it has it's own social philosophy....which his party has betrayed along with its base. Absolutely. And lets not forget how the Tories responded to Labour losing what should have been a nailed on by-election. Sunak seemed more upset than Starmer. The Tories are not even pretending to be Conservative anymore. ZERO SEATS. Total wipe-out must be the only goal. And yes, Labour will be just as scummy but at least they won't be making fools of those who voted for them. "The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.
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14 Mar 24 4.58pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Gove actually stood up and talked about defending social liberalism as if that's the job of conservativism when it has it's own social philosophy....which his party has betrayed along with its base.

Absolutely. And lets not forget how the Tories responded to Labour losing what should have been a nailed on by-election. Sunak seemed more upset than Starmer.

The Tories are not even pretending to be Conservative anymore.

ZERO SEATS. Total wipe-out must be the only goal. And yes, Labour will be just as scummy but at least they won't be making fools of those who voted for them.

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

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Stirlingsays 14 Mar 24 5.12pm
Originally posted by Matov Absolutely. And lets not forget how the Tories responded to Labour losing what should have been a nailed on by-election. Sunak seemed more upset than Starmer. The Tories are not even pretending to be Conservative anymore. ZERO SEATS. Total wipe-out must be the only goal. And yes, Labour will be just as scummy but at least they won't be making fools of those who voted for them. People like Sunak and his ideological group care more about their after election jobs than they do about the actual party they control. They are going to lose massively....not due to a popular Labour party but due to the fact that conservative voters won't come out for them. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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14 Mar 24 5.12pm

Originally posted by Matov

Absolutely. And lets not forget how the Tories responded to Labour losing what should have been a nailed on by-election. Sunak seemed more upset than Starmer.

The Tories are not even pretending to be Conservative anymore.

ZERO SEATS. Total wipe-out must be the only goal. And yes, Labour will be just as scummy but at least they won't be making fools of those who voted for them.

People like Sunak and his ideological group care more about their after election jobs than they do about the actual party they control.

They are going to lose massively....not due to a popular Labour party but due to the fact that conservative voters won't come out for them.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Hrolf The Ganger 14 Mar 24 5.41pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays People like Sunak and his ideological group care more about their after election jobs than they do about the actual party they control. They are going to lose massively....not due to a popular Labour party but due to the fact that conservative voters won't come out for them. It's the most grim political scene in my lifetime. I'm voting Reform because I refuse to vote for a Tory party who has failed to listen on immigration and, like Labour, have a leadership of flimflam artists.
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Hrolf The Ganger

14 Mar 24 5.41pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

People like Sunak and his ideological group care more about their after election jobs than they do about the actual party they control.

They are going to lose massively....not due to a popular Labour party but due to the fact that conservative voters won't come out for them.

It's the most grim political scene in my lifetime.

I'm voting Reform because I refuse to vote for a Tory party who has failed to listen on immigration and, like Labour, have a leadership of flimflam artists.

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Stirlingsays 14 Mar 24 7.30pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger It's the most grim political scene in my lifetime. I'm voting Reform because I refuse to vote for a Tory party who has failed to listen on immigration and, like Labour, have a leadership of flimflam artists. Yep, Reform are too milk toast for me but if it's the most right wing option on offer I'll vote for them. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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14 Mar 24 7.30pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

It's the most grim political scene in my lifetime.

I'm voting Reform because I refuse to vote for a Tory party who has failed to listen on immigration and, like Labour, have a leadership of flimflam artists.

Yep, Reform are too milk toast for me but if it's the most right wing option on offer I'll vote for them.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 14 Mar 24 8.58pm
I know it’s off subject but yesterday evening it was suggested that Russia has effective opposition parties who poll well in elections and that this makes them more democratic than us. As Putin is about to be confirmed for yet another term I thought this piece right on the money:- [Link] I bet Trump will be among the first to congratulate Putin on his well deserved and emphatic victory. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Truro Cornwall 14 Mar 24 8.58pm

I know it’s off subject but yesterday evening it was suggested that Russia has effective opposition parties who poll well in elections and that this makes them more democratic than us.

As Putin is about to be confirmed for yet another term I thought this piece right on the money:-

[Link]

I bet Trump will be among the first to congratulate Putin on his well deserved and emphatic victory.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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Hrolf The Ganger 14 Mar 24 9.06pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Yep, Reform are too milk toast for me but if it's the most right wing option on offer I'll vote for them. I'm not greatly enamoured, but they are as right wing as mainstream politics can be in terms of getting a respectable number of votes.
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14 Mar 24 9.06pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Yep, Reform are too milk toast for me but if it's the most right wing option on offer I'll vote for them.

I'm not greatly enamoured, but they are as right wing as mainstream politics can be in terms of getting a respectable number of votes.

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steeleye20 Croydon 15 Mar 24 9.55am
Originally posted by Matov Absolutely. And lets not forget how the Tories responded to Labour losing what should have been a nailed on by-election. Sunak seemed more upset than Starmer. The Tories are not even pretending to be Conservative anymore. ZERO SEATS. Total wipe-out must be the only goal. And yes, Labour will be just as scummy but at least they won't be making fools of those who voted for them. Be 'less scummy', vote labour. Hardly Attlee's reset and bold vision is it? But it is better than being completely scummy for 14 years I guess.
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Croydon 15 Mar 24 9.55am

Originally posted by Matov

Absolutely. And lets not forget how the Tories responded to Labour losing what should have been a nailed on by-election. Sunak seemed more upset than Starmer.

The Tories are not even pretending to be Conservative anymore.

ZERO SEATS. Total wipe-out must be the only goal. And yes, Labour will be just as scummy but at least they won't be making fools of those who voted for them.

Be 'less scummy', vote labour.

Hardly Attlee's reset and bold vision is it?

But it is better than being completely scummy for 14 years I guess.