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Stirlingsays Flag 07 Oct 20 12.19pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by Badger11

Huge amount of fraud related to virus payments.

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I said at the time this was a charter for criminals but someone I can't remember (genuinely) told us it wouldn't happen.

It's so predictable whenever the government doles out money the fraudsters are one jump ahead.

Honestly with the amount of money the Tories have spent and with the attack on civil liberties you might as well have had Corbyn.

 


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ASCPFC Flag Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 07 Oct 20 1.33pm Send a Private Message to ASCPFC Add ASCPFC as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Honestly with the amount of money the Tories have spent and with the attack on civil liberties you might as well have had Corbyn.

He'd still be talking to the Palestinians, Hamas and the IRA - he wouldn't be too bothered about what happened to the privileged and overtly biased English people. He'd be busy getting his guys to decommission submarines and nukes, whilst reading over them with his little red book. So perhaps not.

 


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Tim Gypsy Hill '64 Flag Stoke sub normal 07 Oct 20 8.07pm Send a Private Message to Tim Gypsy Hill '64 Add Tim Gypsy Hill '64 as a friend

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

Really proud of the official announcement yesterday (indirect threat) by Hancock that if Covid isn’t under control then people might not get cancer treatment. What’s changed since last week, last month, the last 6 months? Now it’s just official.

Don’t get ill, don’t get cancer. Oh you just get it or not.

Rudi, nobody is going to admit they got it wrong. So I'm afraid your final sentence is the best advice.

How's Sweden doing by the way? MSM seem not to be reporting lately......

 


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Stirlingsays Flag 07 Oct 20 8.21pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by ASCPFC

He'd still be talking to the Palestinians, Hamas and the IRA - he wouldn't be too bothered about what happened to the privileged and overtly biased English people. He'd be busy getting his guys to decommission submarines and nukes, whilst reading over them with his little red book. So perhaps not.

True, perhaps not.

Still, by most other metrics.

 


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Matov Flag 07 Oct 20 8.45pm Send a Private Message to Matov Add Matov as a friend

Originally posted by ASCPFC

He'd still be talking to the Palestinians, Hamas and the IRA - he wouldn't be too bothered about what happened to the privileged and overtly biased English people. He'd be busy getting his guys to decommission submarines and nukes, whilst reading over them with his little red book. So perhaps not.

And we would no doubt be smack bang in the middle of a second referendum vote as well. Or rather just the Remain side planning to vote whilst everybody else decided to deliberately boycott, spoil their papers or planning on burning down polling stations.

With a level of civil disorder that does not bear thinking about, especially if we still had all that BLM stuff breaking out as well.

Dodged a huge bullet back in December on a variety of levels.

 


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steeleye20 Flag Croydon 07 Oct 20 9.06pm Send a Private Message to steeleye20 Add steeleye20 as a friend

The civil liberties lost by us will not be returned without a struggle imo.

If the virus left tomorrow it does not follow that the freedom which the public naturally assumes will return, far from it.

And there is no written constitution, no bill of rights.

 

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becky Flag over the moon 07 Oct 20 9.31pm Send a Private Message to becky Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add becky as a friend

Originally posted by steeleye20

The civil liberties lost by us will not be returned without a struggle imo.

If the virus left tomorrow it does not follow that the freedom which the public naturally assumes will return, far from it.

And there is no written constitution, no bill of rights.

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cryrst Flag The garden of England 08 Oct 20 2.28pm Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

That'll do.

 

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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards SW19 CPFC Flag Addiscombe West 08 Oct 20 2.51pm Send a Private Message to SW19 CPFC Add SW19 CPFC as a friend

Originally posted by steeleye20

The civil liberties lost by us will not be returned without a struggle imo.

If the virus left tomorrow it does not follow that the freedom which the public naturally assumes will return, far from it.

And there is no written constitution, no bill of rights.

This constant focus on the current loss of civil liberties and wah wahing about it is beginning to grate.

Yes, a lot of legislation passed since march has been done so on the quiet or unopposed, and certain things have been slipped in without scrutiny. Is that ideal, no. Should we expect civil liberties to be eroded at this time? Yes. Absolutely logical. If you think otherwise then you're an idiot – an entire book could be written on why that's a stupid position to hold.

Will these measures always be in place? No. Why? Because there would be a revolt (an actual genuine chance of one this time, Matov, not all roads lead to civil war). Opposition parties would also seize on them, expose them and therefore result in a power change.

That's not to say there's not some sneaky stuff going on while they can get away with it, but it's being massively overblown. Just strikes me that people with no job or livelihood are bored and resentful, and searching for more meaning than just bad luck (which it is – wrong job, wrong time) and some bad decisions (which there have been, but everyone has the gift of hindsight now, don't they) to justify their existence and have someone to blame. Fine.

But if someone tells you to stop whinging about it, don't take offence. There's always someone worse off than you, and there's always someone else who ends up making a better life than you will out of the exact same situation.

What people can't grasp sometimes is, bad s*** doesn't always happen for a specific, calculated reason. It feels better if you can convince yourself that it did, or make something up to fill the void, sure. Everyone wants to feel like they're in control. The hardest thing for some people to understand that not everything is controllable, deliberate or with reason. If they could, religion wouldn't exist. Sometimes it's just how it is. No deliberate campaign, no specific strategy to f*** them over. It's just life. The sooner they accept that the sooner they can progress.

 


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BlueJay Flag UK 08 Oct 20 2.57pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

The civil liberties lost by us will not be returned without a struggle imo.

If the virus left tomorrow it does not follow that the freedom which the public naturally assumes will return, far from it.

And there is no written constitution, no bill of rights.

Many meaningful civil liberties were thrown away long before this virus came along. There is at least a rationale, whether people agree with it being used in this particular circumstance or not, in having these tools in the bag for pandemics and the like.

It's not like once this has gone away government will go "Haha, we've got you now, we're going to randomly order you to stay at home and not meet your mates whenever we please!"

Actual erosion of civil liberties is far more insidious and typically involves convincing either the left or the right that they're under attack, so that they gleefully go along with it to stick one to their imagined opposite. Lots of "Sure we should bring in these avalanche of anti terror laws!" which of course inevitably end up being used to spy on or intimidate ordinary people, or "Yes why not ban hate speech!" which down the line results in comedians making jokes getting hauled into court. Each to their own, but I'm perfectly happy for someone to let it be publicly known that they're a c*** and for free enterprise to call the shots rather than government diktat.

Governments habitually set people against one another for their own gain, when in a typical face to face and off cancerous social media echo chambers people actually have much more good will and in common than not.

Edited by BlueJay (08 Oct 2020 3.02pm)

 

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Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 08 Oct 20 3.11pm Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

^^^^^^^^^^^

And there’s why we get stitched up and they’re not being held to account while governing by decree.

It’s as idiotic to believe their random closures. If their lockdowns worked then there would be similar peaks of infections in deaths nationally or show some sort of explainable results. I e just seen it’s random dates everywhere. Luckily down here we’re cleaner and more sensible than up north.

 


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Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 08 Oct 20 3.19pm Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Restrictions are killing businesses and industries and way of life. They won’t return.

 


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