"Dr" Campbell doesn't tell his viewers he isn't a medical doctor., but a teacher.

I have no problem with people making money. I just want you and others to recognise that when people do it means that their motivations must be examined. People write books, or make videos, to sell to an audience. They need to give them what they want. Which is very different to what they need.

I most certainly have not proved any "point" or yours as I have yet to discover anything resembling an actual point. Doctors who make unsupported claims aren't silenced at all. They are discredited and then the media won't give misinformation any coverage. They have their own reputations to think of. Look what has just happened to Fox.

As the knowledge about Covid evolved so did our ways to respond to it. That's nothing new, or to be ashamed about. We learned that new variants were managing to infect the vaccinated, but that the vaccines still protected against severe disease. That's the problem with anything new. It wasn't known about before.

I had never heard of Ignaz Semmelweis! So I looked him up. Interesting man, ahead of his time. Not though a valid comparison for today's situation. Anyone today carrying out research that demonstrated positive benefits would be taken seriously, their work replicated elsewhere and peer-reviewed. That it wasn't back in 1865 shows how far we have come.

So you think that being able to describe yourself as a doctor or scientist automatically confers a pure motive upon them along with an unimpeachable character? I beg to differ. There have been many instances in the last few years of people claiming to be doctors or scientists who have been shown to be complete frauds.

"Dr" Campbell doesn't tell his viewers he isn't a medical doctor., but a teacher.

I have no problem with people making money. I just want you and others to recognise that when people do it means that their motivations must be examined. People write books, or make videos, to sell to an audience. They need to give them what they want. Which is very different to what they need.

I most certainly have not proved any "point" or yours as I have yet to discover anything resembling an actual point. Doctors who make unsupported claims aren't silenced at all. They are discredited and then the media won't give misinformation any coverage. They have their own reputations to think of. Look what has just happened to Fox.

As the knowledge about Covid evolved so did our ways to respond to it. That's nothing new, or to be ashamed about. We learned that new variants were managing to infect the vaccinated, but that the vaccines still protected against severe disease. That's the problem with anything new. It wasn't known about before.

I had never heard of Ignaz Semmelweis! So I looked him up. Interesting man, ahead of his time. Not though a valid comparison for today's situation. Anyone today carrying out research that demonstrated positive benefits would be taken seriously, their work replicated elsewhere and peer-reviewed. That it wasn't back in 1865 shows how far we have come.

So Wisbech has nothing....he was asked for what Campbell's 'controversial views' were and all he comes back with is waffle.

Dr John Campbell has had many experts on his show and once again this claim....which is misinformation... that there aren't experts in these medical fields who differ from what has gone is untrue.

For example, some of the highest qualified people in their fields are on the Great Barrington Delacaration.....so stop spreading misinformation.

How would you know if something is "objective" or not if you don't actually know what is being said.

If it would be easier for you I could find and post the clip without Dr Campbells face, or you could find it yourself. In fact you would need to find it yourself as I'm sure I would only be wasting my time finding it for you.

You said in a previous post that you wanted to hear about doctors or scientists on the issue but clearly you don't want to know, or are unable to process the information due to your own bias. I guess data from the govenment doesn't qualify as scientific. You appear to have made up your mind on the issue and anything else is a conspiracy. Which is fine, your entitled to hold whatever view you wish.

Once again, it should be noted that when you were asked for what Campbell's 'controversial views' were you declined to state any.

The GBD hasn't been 'discredited' at all. We can point to the funding...as I have previously...of the people you linked to previously who criticised it. A pointless task with you I know but I did it all the same.

You stated that no medical experts supported different approaches to those taken. Rather than let that falsehood go I just thought I'd ensure that baloney wasn't just left. Once again, the GBD contained some of the highest qualified in their fields.....the very reason they made their opposition known down to the very fact that they weren't really sackable.

I suggest that a great many who did object kept their heads down because they had mortgages to pay. Unfortunately it leads to the unethical then claiming a consensus. The reality is that most people just get on with doing what they are told to do in relation to their pay grade.

Edited by Stirlingsays (21 Apr 2023 4.26pm)